Why do so many liberals defend Islam to death?

SecondClass · January 29, 2017, 05:58:02 PM

I don't have a problem with individual Muslims who don't subscribe to the worst aspects of their religion, but fuck those aspects are terrible. The religion of Islam is far worse than Christianity on a base level (no other religion is as misogynistic), and I don't know why disliking it is seen as a "conservative" opinion.

i am karjala takaisin · January 29, 2017, 05:59:51 PM

as a very socially liberal person i think it's absurd that it even has to be said that conservative islam should be criticized for the same things we criticize conservative christianity for

SecondClass · January 29, 2017, 06:23:45 PM

Quote from: yeah can i get uhhhhhhhhh on January 29, 2017, 05:59:51 PM

as a very socially liberal person i think it's absurd that it even has to be said that conservative islam should be criticized for the same things we criticize conservative christianity for

the point is that conservative islam is far, far worse than conservative christianity

like a good twenty times worse

eggsalad · January 29, 2017, 06:32:14 PM

Define "critical of Islam". I'd say I'm critical of Islam but most anti-Muslim dialogues seem to just be more about how much they hate Muslims rather than how they can work to mitigate the ideology.

DAS B00T x2 · January 29, 2017, 06:32:23 PM

Yeah but that's like just, their culture, man.

DAS B00T x2 · January 29, 2017, 06:33:02 PM

Quote from: eggsalad on January 29, 2017, 06:32:14 PM

Define "critical of Islam". I'd say I'm critical of Islam but most anti-Muslim dialogues seem to just be more about how much they hate Muslims rather than how they can work to mitigate the ideology.

Probably because we're called Nazis then...

eggsalad · January 29, 2017, 06:35:02 PM

Quote from: SecondClass on January 29, 2017, 06:23:45 PM

Quote from: yeah can i get uhhhhhhhhh on January 29, 2017, 05:59:51 PM
as a very socially liberal person i think it's absurd that it even has to be said that conservative islam should be criticized for the same things we criticize conservative christianity for
the point is that conservative islam is far, far worse than conservative christianity

like a good twenty times worse

Thing is for most westerners the effects of Islam isn't noticeable in their lives. The majority of experience they have with religious bigotry comes from Christians, because Christians have clout in Western countries, unlike Muslims. If there's some homophobic ruling in America it's going to be from Christians, not Muslims. It's pretty fucking obvious why a liberal in America is going to care more about Christian fundamentalists than Muslims.

Elai · January 29, 2017, 06:36:39 PM

Fuck the labels.

NotKiyo · January 29, 2017, 06:49:38 PM

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challengerX · January 29, 2017, 07:00:40 PM

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Luciana · January 29, 2017, 07:03:39 PM

This is my response

Onion · January 29, 2017, 07:08:49 PM

I take a shot every time someone calls Islam a "peaceful religion"

eggsalad · January 29, 2017, 07:10:19 PM

Quote from: challengerX on January 29, 2017, 07:00:40 PM

Quote from: eggsalad on January 29, 2017, 06:32:14 PM
Define "critical of Islam". I'd say I'm critical of Islam but most anti-Muslim dialogues seem to just be more about how much they hate Muslims rather than how they can work to mitigate the ideology.
"mitigate the ideology" lmao

You're asking extremely religious people to disobey "the word of god". These people are thoroughly brainwashed.

Don't tolerate mutilation, murder, and abuse and it'll deradicalize in a generation or two when they live around good ol titties and booze.

Luciana · January 29, 2017, 07:11:25 PM

Aren't women in that entire region historically behind in track record? I think women in the Sassanid Empire were treated like shit as well. Seems like even without Islam, it'd be shit. Not to say it doesn't play a part of it, because it does.

challengerX · January 29, 2017, 07:27:31 PM

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Luciana · January 29, 2017, 07:38:02 PM

Quote from: challengerX on January 29, 2017, 07:27:31 PM

Quote from: Luciana on January 29, 2017, 07:11:25 PM
Aren't women in that entire region historically behind in track record? I think women in the Sassanid Empire were treated like shit as well. Seems like even without Islam, it'd be shit. Not to say it doesn't play a part of it, because it does.
What do you expect from society a billion years ago, women were treated like shit everywhere.

The problem is that now in 2017 women are still treated like cattle in
muslim countries.

I agree with you. Just that whole area is generally "shit".

Cept for Egypt pre-Roman occupation. Women had it pretty good there.

Naru · January 30, 2017, 12:20:54 AM

Quote from: challengerX on January 29, 2017, 07:27:31 PM

Quote from: Luciana on January 29, 2017, 07:11:25 PM
Aren't women in that entire region historically behind in track record? I think women in the Sassanid Empire were treated like shit as well. Seems like even without Islam, it'd be shit. Not to say it doesn't play a part of it, because it does.
What do you expect from society a billion years ago, women were treated like shit everywhere.

The problem is that now in 2017 women are still treated like cattle in
muslim countries.

"no its ok because theyre women and are inferior to men but theyre treated like princesses!"

Jono · January 30, 2017, 01:00:04 AM

Fuck Islam

Aether · January 30, 2017, 01:17:16 AM

It's pretty ridiculous when someone like Linda Sarsour, who supports sharia law, is speaking at a women's rights protest.

Sαndtrap · January 30, 2017, 01:40:20 AM

Trends start, masses and minds follow.

gats · January 30, 2017, 02:06:03 AM

They do it because they know it's the ultimate redpill.

True Turquoise · January 30, 2017, 02:20:37 AM

The fact they still treat their woman the way they do just makes me not want to really think much of whatever it is they call themselves these days.

FatherlyNick - fuck putin · January 30, 2017, 03:43:33 AM

Conservative or not - it keeps an entire part of the world in the dark ages.

Check out pictures of Iran in 1970, that was back when Islam was on the same level as Christianity in the west (i.e just a religion - not a way of life).
Look at Iran streets today. This is after the religious reform when it came back into power over the state.

That's why some people criticise even the 'moderate' Islam because it still dictates how you should live.

gats · January 30, 2017, 04:08:28 AM

>Judging countries by pictures of the upper classes

Really fires my neurons

FatherlyNick - fuck putin · January 30, 2017, 04:13:01 AM

Quote from: gats on January 30, 2017, 04:08:28 AM

>Judging countries by pictures of the upper classes

Really fires my neurons

So the middle east is not in the dark ages?

gats · January 30, 2017, 04:17:12 AM

Quote from: FatherlyNick on January 30, 2017, 04:13:01 AM

Quote from: gats on January 30, 2017, 04:08:28 AM
>Judging countries by pictures of the upper classes

Really fires my neurons
So the middle east is not in the dark ages?

Define 'dark ages'

FatherlyNick - fuck putin · January 30, 2017, 04:22:02 AM

Quote from: gats on January 30, 2017, 04:17:12 AM

Quote from: FatherlyNick on January 30, 2017, 04:13:01 AM
Quote from: gats on January 30, 2017, 04:08:28 AM
>Judging countries by pictures of the upper classes

Really fires my neurons
So the middle east is not in the dark ages?
Define 'dark ages'

Religion as a way of life. Specifically following Quran to the letter. Stoning people to death with no fair trial, women are more like pets than people, apostasy = death.

Mattie G Indahouse · January 30, 2017, 04:30:46 AM

Quote from: gats on January 30, 2017, 04:08:28 AM

>Judging countries by pictures of the upper classes

Really fires my neurons

Not everybody in those pictures are from the upper class, you just don't want to admit that the country turned into a shit hole due to Islam. The pitcher below and some of the ones in the URL you can easily tell they are everyday people, like the ones you would see in a place like the US during that time period. The below picture is literally a mirrored version of what 70's people in the US looked like.
http://bowshrine.com/1970s-iran-before-the-islamic-revolution/

challengerX · January 30, 2017, 05:27:43 AM

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