Quote from: Verbatim on January 04, 2018, 12:51:49 PM

Quote from: Snake on January 04, 2018, 09:40:43 AM

I'm allowed to enjoy a show with brilliant animation and budgeting in the same way that Anita can review and rate games on how feminist-friendly they are.

not that she does that, especially when this is stated in all of her videos:

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It's both possible, and even necessary, to simultaneously enjoy media while also being critical of its more problematic or pernicious aspects.

translation: "it's okay to criticize otherwise awesome games"

so she doesn't review or rate games based on how feminist-friendly they are, she just chooses to take a feminist angle, because that's what her channel is about, and because nobody else is doing that

She made herself a platform on spouting ludicrous views to appease a certain croud, she absolutely rates games on how feminist friendly they are, and her influence at its peak heavily changed the industry for the worst. 

Do we soon forget the money she asked from people, promising a video game series that remained long unfinished for years, also strategic butt covering.

can you not

my point was that she goes into games under a certain pretense and that's fine

it's not relevant to the conversation i want to have

Quote from: Batch on January 04, 2018, 02:48:46 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on January 04, 2018, 12:51:49 PM

Quote from: Snake on January 04, 2018, 09:40:43 AM

I'm allowed to enjoy a show with brilliant animation and budgeting in the same way that Anita can review and rate games on how feminist-friendly they are.

not that she does that, especially when this is stated in all of her videos:

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It's both possible, and even necessary, to simultaneously enjoy media while also being critical of its more problematic or pernicious aspects.

translation: "it's okay to criticize otherwise awesome games"

so she doesn't review or rate games based on how feminist-friendly they are, she just chooses to take a feminist angle, because that's what her channel is about, and because nobody else is doing that

She made herself a platform on spouting ludicrous views to appease a certain croud, she absolutely rates games on how feminist friendly they are, and her influence at its peak heavily changed the industry for the worst. 

Do we soon forget the money she asked from people, promising a video game series that remained long unfinished for years, also strategic butt covering.

can you not

my point was that she goes into games under a certain pretense and that's fine

it's not relevant to the conversation i want to have

Righto, it just gets me going.

'Verb, you can't possibly sit through so much shit and not kill yourself'

Quote from: Best Boss on January 05, 2018, 04:18:17 AM

'Verb, you can't possibly sit through so much shit and not kill yourself'

2 days fam and shit is going down

Yeah I can't wait to see Vegeta lose

Death Note's first opening is the best opening I've ever seen. It has everything you could possibly want from an opening.

I decided to take a break from the 1995 shit to watch something more contemporary instead—in fact, this is something that dropped less than a week ago on Netflix, so this show is actually extremely relevant right now.

If your name is Snake, then don't read this overview at all. Just watch the show. I'm specifically recommending this one to you.

Devilman Crybaby (Science Saru, 2018, completed)

I am so very conflicted about this show. On one hand, this anime contains pretty much ALL of the themes that I've been searching for ever since I decided that the medium was irrevocably terrible: It's a dark, cutthroat, extremely hateful, grotesquely brutal, and delightfully ultraviolent examination of humanity, exploding with blatant, unflinching, and intensely misanthropic messages. This is EVERYTHING that I've ever wanted to see—and for what it's worth, it does it so very well... For the most part. We'll get to what sucks about it later.

While the show relentlessly beats you over the head with the most vile and unpleasant aspects of human nature, with decidedly unsexy fanservice, perverted characters, and continuous sexual imagery (including a gay sex scene), all of which seem to coldly mock the human desire for sex, rather than celebrate it (which I've been begging to see in an anime for YEARS). On top of that, there's some patently horrific and genuinely harrowing scenarios that each character finds themselves in, and they all effectively and rapidly evoke feelings of anger, sorrow, disgust, and despair, all in one gut-punching 10-episode package.

On paper, this should've been my favorite anime (and it IS on paper, since it's based on a manga written in the '70s). But, as perfect as it may seem for me, I'm afraid cannot ignore the simple fact that it's ultimately just as flawed as every other anime I've given a lower score to. And that pains me SO MUCH to say, because I feel like a show like this only comes once in a lifetime (and previous adaptations of the same story don't count). It feels like someone in Japan heard all of my requests across the Pacific Ocean, but my voice was too muffled for them to hear precisely every last detail of what I wanted to see.

The degree to which this show condemns scummy human behavior is palpable and scathing, sure. That's great. But it's still not quite misanthropic enough for me. Since the story is supposed to be a shonen manga for younger boys (despite all the pornographic imagery), the ending still has a relatively positive and vaguely life-affirming note—albeit, in a highly Pyrrhic fashion, but a trapping that I would've preferred this series not to have fallen into, because I feel like it undermines the sheer intensity of the rest of the show.

Not to mention, after the catastrophic acutely heart-raping events of the penultimate episode, I'm left almost completely numb to the ensuing apocalypse that happens during the finale, where the show starts losing its footing a little bit in terms of pacing. Sure, it's an undeniably emotional, poignant, and tightly-constructed ending that I wish I could've appreciated more, because on the same level, I feel like you almost could've ended the series one episode earlier and have been mostly fine.

However, those issues, among other various technical aspects that I don't really care to go into right now, I have are relatively minor compared to my biggest issue, and I think it has to do with a small yet significant difference in vision and philosophy. I'm willing to accept that I may be undergoing some cognitive dissonance here, but I intend to smooth my thoughts out over the next few days so that they're more clear.

Basically, I get it. People are awful. People are disgusting. People are the worst scum on the planet. The world is a much better place without us. This show illustrates these messages competently, yet also to a grave fault. I don't need to be told these things; other people do. But think about the kind of people that this series would most likely appeal to.

In spite of its attempts to shock and horrify the viewer, let's be honest with ourselves. It pretty much winds up pandering to the same scumfuck people that the show is disgracing. They're going to treat the series as gore porn, in spite of all the attempts to question why you find that shit entertaining in the first place, causing them to miss the point entirely. Normally, this wouldn't be so bad—I can already hear someone saying "that's not the show's fault." And to some degree, you'd be right. However, it still finds itself pandering to the worst kinds of people, almost by nature, which I consider a failure on the show's part.

This is what I like to call the Me!Me!Me! effect, where your messages gets buried by the people that you're trying to reach out to, all while giving them a shotgun to kill you with. Also, you can also kinda tell that the animators really had a blast animating some of the more fucked up scenes, which may have added to their devastatingly stomach-churning nature, but it also puts a sick taste in my mouth, upon further reflection. This anime was made by the same filthy scumfucks the show appears to hate so much, and they relished in every second of its creation. Kind of undermines the message, too, though I'm willing to concede that I'm being too presumptuous here.

But you can see now why I'm so torn about this one. But I think I've finally decided where the tip scales for me. We've just come to different conclusions, and this is what I meant earlier, when I said I wanted it to be even more hateful. The show is misanthropic (good philosophy), yet life-affirming (poor conclusion)—that is my ultimate problem, because it fails to provide a tangible justification for the latter position. I don't want a series like this to have ANY semblance of positivity towards life on earth, but it seems convinced that humans, though flawed beings, are still forgivable. Needless to say, I strongly disagree with this. All I wanted to do when I finished this series was spit blood in the face of life itself, which is all I think anyone should ever want to do. It does not inspire any confidence within me that things will get better, so long as we all stop being pieces of shit.

That's where I wanted more from this story, and there's precisely where I didn't get it, and it hurts the overall narrative a lot for me.

That all being said, I'm still incredibly happy that a series like this exists (and the story itself has been floating around for decades), because it's the closest an anime has ever come to meeting almost every one of my prerequisites. Every scene depicting sex, alcohol consumption, and other shitty, debaucherous behaviors (including rape) is portrayed with a underlying sense of "This is you. This is how disgusting you are." and it all makes life on earth seem so incredibly foolish, embarrassing, and shameful.

This show comes a cunt hair away from transcending all of the trappings that I hate seeing so much in nearly every single anime that I've ever tried, so it's sad to have to admit that it ultimately came up short for me.

I'm not quite sure what I'd give this show /10, because of my mixed reactions to it. Right now, it could be anywhere between a 4 and a 6. It's quite the anomaly.

Just kill yourself already. Christ you're edgy.

Also, devilman has also been gore porn.

Also, devilman has also been gore porn.

doesn't matter, crybaby isn't, despite having the appearance of such

Verb put Fate/Zero before Fate/Stay Night, it's much better for beginners.

No, if he's going to do Deen stay night he should do that before Zero.

fate is not a series i want to fuck with for a while

mainly because of this shit

l but UBW is at least more coherent to F/Z.

Meaning what?