the average dark souls fan is against enabling pause because that affects the gameplay

gore doesnt

the average dark souls fan is against enabling pause because that affects the gameplay

With my solution, the average Dark Souls fan would have the option to disable pause if that's how they want to play (it's the objectively incorrect way to play, but that's on them).

Quote from: Annie on June 16, 2017, 12:37:17 AM

Blood is gore. The amount doesn't matter.

p much why Fallout/Dishonored can be too much sometimes

My understanding of "gore" has always been "body tissue," which includes blood, but it's a rectangle-is-not-a-square type relationship.

Otherwise, the common pairing of "blood and gore" is a redundancy.

I guess that makes sense

I still don't know why it's apparently some bad thing to be sensitive to violence though

you're sensitive to sex, which might be gross, but is straight up beautiful compared to pain and multilation and bodily harm

Quote from: Aria on June 16, 2017, 12:27:18 AM

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Quote from: Aria on June 16, 2017, 12:19:18 AM

Tbh the basic plot of Dark Souls is the best description of the franchise. Demon's Souls was the first flame, and each subsequent game burned shorter and less bright. Not to say they are bad, but it's a good thing the series is "over" (as much as a franchise can be nowadays).

what do you think of my pause solution

I'm not against being able to pause, I just think it would have to be done in a way that keeps the tension. One thing that being unable to pause really helps do is reduce the helpfulness of walkthroughs, since someone can't just alternate pauses between the youtube video and the game. Niche example, I know, but being unable to pause is nice in some aspects.

meh

I think if some baby casual wants to do something like that, they should be able to. It only makes it all the more satisfying for those of us who didn't need guides to beat the game without one. I'm here for the casuals.

Just look at options menu right now—there's an option to turn off blood. I always thought that was hilarious. The game barely even has any blood, yet there's still an option to turn it off if you're that squeamish.

If the game didn't have that option, and some player was like, "This game should have an option to remove the blood," how do you think the average Dark Souls fan would react to that? And yet, we have the option, and the game hasn't been ruined by people who don't want to see blood.

That's why I'm not against a pause button, it would just have to be implemented in a way that isn't literally "same game in every way, except you can pause whenever". I'd liken it to being the modern equivalent of "save points vs quicksave". There's no problem with quicksave so long as it can't be abused (ie savescumming) or detract from the experience. Same here; there's no problem with being able to pause so long as it doesn't detract from the experience.

Quote from: Annie on June 16, 2017, 12:46:07 AM

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Quote from: Annie on June 16, 2017, 12:37:17 AM

Blood is gore. The amount doesn't matter.

p much why Fallout/Dishonored can be too much sometimes

My understanding of "gore" has always been "body tissue," which includes blood, but it's a rectangle-is-not-a-square type relationship.

Otherwise, the common pairing of "blood and gore" is a redundancy.

I guess that makes sense

I still don't know why it's apparently some bad thing to be sensitive to violence though

you're sensitive to sex, which might be gross, but is straight up beautiful compared to pain and multilation and bodily harm

did you forget that i was quite disturbed by the fact that you can decapitate dogs in fallout 3, and the game treats it as this silly fun thing

i have my limits too, but dark souls is incredibly tame with the violence

Well it wouldn't make any sense for you not to be able to? You can decapitate people, the same rules of logic would have to apply for everything.

The better solution would be no decapitations/amputations (or an in-menu option), but even if someone is disturbed by a small amount of blood, dark souls or GTA IV level, you treat that as an bad thing

violence is a perversion of the human body, it shouldn't happen in the first place

Quote from: Annie on June 16, 2017, 12:54:32 AM

Well it wouldn't make any sense for you not to be able to? You can decapitate people, the same rules of logic would have to apply for everything.

i mean

not necessarily

you can't decapitate children

Literally only because of censorship standards. You could do everything to a child that you could do to an adult in the original Fallouts (which you should be able to do - don't want that, don't have kids in the game), but the world punished you in a logical, internally-consistent way. Not "I fired my rocket launcher at that magic black kid and he didn't seem to notice".

'M not treating it as a BAD thing

i'm treating it as a thing of bewilderment

like, what dark souls player is that sensitive? it's astonishing to me

either way, i think it's GREAT that the developers give sensitive people like that the option to turn off blood, and that was kinda my whole point

I mean, you can be sensitive and tough at the same time. Maybe someone loves the dark undertones of the game's story and world, but had their brother get eaten by a crocodile in front of them as a child and can't see any graphic content without getting psychologically triggered.

Different people are different. You're not going to be X just because you play the same game as someone else.

I wanna rape you

tbh they shouldve kept the Bloodborne levels of blood splattering

it really jingles my bells

of all the soulsbourne games, i'm looking forward to this one the least (even though i've heard the best things about it)

it just looks way too tryhard

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Quote from: oss on June 16, 2017, 01:07:30 AM

tbh they shouldve kept the Bloodborne levels of blood splattering

it really jingles my bells

it just looks way too tryhard

Elaborate

from what i can tell there's a lot of macabre imagery that focuses around pregnancy and abortion

which is cool and all, i like that, but

i have to wonder whether there's a good artistic reason for that, or if it's just self-indulgent gratuitousness for the sake of it

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Quote from: oss on June 16, 2017, 01:07:30 AM

tbh they shouldve kept the Bloodborne levels of blood splattering

it really jingles my bells

it just looks way too tryhard

Elaborate

from what i can tell there's a lot of macabre imagery that focuses around pregnancy and abortion

which is cool and all, i like that, but

i have to wonder whether there's a good artistic reason for that

Oh thats really minor, theres like 2 women in the whole game with that kind of imagery.

Quote from: Annie on June 16, 2017, 01:23:51 AM

THEY didn't censor shit, the publisher did

bethesda would not have allowed you to kill children, and they would've been retarded to

Whatever, Beth shouldn't even write Fallout lmao

also

don't want that, don't have kids in the game

fuck humans tbh

yeah man, let your misanthropic bias cloud basic logic (actually this is more common sense): a human isn't here for any other reason than a dog. Every human is pressured by society into all sorts of different things, does what they can to cope with that / accept it, and then does that to others as part of the society. Again, all through no fault of their own, just of their programming. That's a lesser extent of evil than what a wild animal does in reality, but again, neither can be blamed or seen as evil because of it. If you hold one as being more sacred than the other, you're an idiot. If you see a mass murderer dying as being different than a dog dying, you'd be right. That's because the murderer's gratifying death is a consequence of their actions, not their birth.

If it's just an emotional, biased thing (dogs care unconditionally for their family, there has never been a dog mass murderer), then fine. But if you go beyond that and try to say an innocent dog's death is more tragic than an innocent human's that's very untrue

zero gore is the ideal irl

you could have a show like Breaking Bad be just as amazing and legendary if you took out all the violence, every drop of blood, and replaced it with implications and discretion shots

the point of fallout 3 is not to be a perfect simulation of real world physics

I definitely agree. It's supposed to be a simulation of the logic of the universe, just as a narrative is a chain of events through the logic of the universe. If I can kill a an adult, a bear, a big mutant that used to be a human, that means I can also kill any children or dogs I see. If I see one and drop a mini nuke on it, and it doesn't die, that means no children or dogs died in the end of the world 200 years ago. But wait! Here we have in-game lore saying they did! And so we get just blatant plot holes and objectively bad writing.

You have such an anti-thought, consumerist point of view.

that's not the game's purpose, so it doesn't hurt the game if it doesn't allow you to do something that it wasn't designed to do in the first place

Every game is supposed to be a simulation of the logic of its universe. It wouldn't break the logic if you couldn't run around killing kids in Kingdom Hearts - you can't run around killing anybody. In Fallout, you can.

it's not pertinent to the game's purpose to decapitate dogs, so you could make the case that they're unnecessary and should be removed, while all the other violence stays in, because it better suits the tone

Logical consistency is the most important part of any serious work, and is more important than tone by about seventy levels.

"Unnecessary?" lmao, it's unnecessary that if you kill the old overseer, a new one takes his place. It's unnecessary that if you're nice to Butch, he's more receptive to you later. Lol things making sense is super unnecessary my man

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yeah man, let your misanthropic bias cloud basic logic (actually this is more common sense): a human isn't here for any other reason than a dog. Every human is pressured by society into all sorts of different things, does what they can to cope with that / accept it, and then does that to others as part of the society. Again, all through no fault of their own, just of their programming. That's a lesser extent of evil than what a wild animal does in reality, but again, neither can be blamed or seen as evil because of it. If you hold one as being more sacred than the other, you're an idiot. If you see a mass murderer dying as being different than a dog dying, you'd be right. That's because the murderer's gratifying death is a consequence of their actions, not their birth.

If it's just an inherent, biased thing (dogs care unconditionally for their family, there has never been a dog mass murderer), then fine. But if you go beyond that and try to say an innocent dog's death is more tragic than an innocent human's that's very untrue

zero gore is the ideal irl

you could have a show like Breaking Bad be just as amazing and legendary if you took out all the violence, every drop of blood, and replaced it with implications and discretion shots

did not read LOL

haha what a deep thinker

If you're going to be a hyper baby casul and play offline, I don't see why you shouldn't also have a pause feature.

I still don't understand why it's needed but to each their own.

LMAO judging people for how they use an item they bought

just stop

Quote from: Wicked666Clown on June 16, 2017, 02:07:24 AM

If you're going to be a hyper baby casul and play offline, I don't see why you shouldn't also have a pause feature.

I still don't understand why it's needed but to each their own.

LMAO judging people for how they use an item they bought

just stop

Still thinking I'm serious in the year of our Lord two thousand and seventeen.

don't kids die if you blow up megaton though