Why is Globalism bad?

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"Star Trek was an attempt to say that humanity will reach maturity and wisdom on the day that it begins not just to tolerate, but take a special delight in differences in ideas and differences in life forms. […] If we cannot learn to actually enjoy those small differences, to take a positive delight in those small differences between our own kind, here on this planet, then we do not deserve to go out into space and meet the diversity that is almost certainly out there."

-Gene Roddenberry

That's my point. That maturity he's talking about is losing tribalism. Us vs Them. Globalism isn't bad because it's the start of maturity.
Why the fuck is Gene Roddenberry you're intellectual backing here?

You're literally citing Star Trek. What the fuck.

So? His story touched millions. Like it or not, his vision gave people hope.

And I'm not quoting Star Trek, I'm quoting the author.
It's not so much that his work is popular, it's the fact that you referenced a fucking screenwriter as a legitimate intellectual source in a serious discussion.

It's like you deliberately go out of your way to miss the point of what people are trying to say sometimes.

And?

Having a concrete view of the future and the ability to communicate that vision to millions puts him ahead of most. And does his life as a writer invalidate him? Especially when most mainstream scientists quote him whenever the future is brought up?


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LOL. And it goes personal.

"Star Trek was an attempt to say that humanity will reach maturity and wisdom on the day that it begins not just to tolerate, but take a special delight in differences in ideas and differences in life forms. […] If we cannot learn to actually enjoy those small differences, to take a positive delight in those small differences between our own kind, here on this planet, then we do not deserve to go out into space and meet the diversity that is almost certainly out there."

-Gene Roddenberry

That's my point. That maturity he's talking about is losing tribalism. Us vs Them. Globalism isn't bad because it's the start of maturity.
Why the fuck is Gene Roddenberry you're intellectual backing here?

You're literally citing Star Trek. What the fuck.

So? His story touched millions. Like it or not, his vision gave people hope.

And I'm not quoting Star Trek, I'm quoting the author.
It's not so much that his work is popular, it's the fact that you referenced a fucking screenwriter as a legitimate intellectual source in a serious discussion.

It's like you deliberately go out of your way to miss the point of what people are trying to say sometimes.

And?

Having a concrete view of the future and the ability to communicate that vision to millions puts him ahead of most. And does his life as a writer invalidate him? Especially when most mainstream scientists quote him whenever the future is brought up?
I don't really care how influential you think he is. He was a television writer, with virtually no intellectual or credible bearing to what the thread is about. As interesting as his perspectives may be, citing a sci fi writer and producer, aka an entertainer, doesn't exactly belong in the realms of a serious discussion. It's like asking Tom Clancy for advice on a genuine military operation.

You're entitled to your opinions on globalism but at least substantiate these opinions with a somewhat reputable backing to them.
Last Edit: September 04, 2016, 08:08:48 PM by Mordo


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LOL. And it goes personal.

"Star Trek was an attempt to say that humanity will reach maturity and wisdom on the day that it begins not just to tolerate, but take a special delight in differences in ideas and differences in life forms. […] If we cannot learn to actually enjoy those small differences, to take a positive delight in those small differences between our own kind, here on this planet, then we do not deserve to go out into space and meet the diversity that is almost certainly out there."

-Gene Roddenberry

That's my point. That maturity he's talking about is losing tribalism. Us vs Them. Globalism isn't bad because it's the start of maturity.
Why the fuck is Gene Roddenberry you're intellectual backing here?

You're literally citing Star Trek. What the fuck.

So? His story touched millions. Like it or not, his vision gave people hope.

And I'm not quoting Star Trek, I'm quoting the author.
It's not so much that his work is popular, it's the fact that you referenced a fucking screenwriter as a legitimate intellectual source in a serious discussion.

It's like you deliberately go out of your way to miss the point of what people are trying to say sometimes.

And?

Having a concrete view of the future and the ability to communicate that vision to millions puts him ahead of most. And does his life as a writer invalidate him? Especially when most mainstream scientists quote him whenever the future is brought up?
I don't really care how influential you think he is. He was a television writer, with virtually no intellectual or credible bearing to what the thread is about. As interesting as his perspectives may be, citing a sci fi writer and producer, aka an entertainer, doesn't exactly belong in the realms of a serious discussion. It's like asking Tom Clancy for advice on a genuine military operation.

You're entitled to your opinions on globalism but at least substantiate these opinions with a somewhat reputable backing to them.

Oh... So post what everyone rlse is with the same level of source?

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LOL. And it goes personal.

"Star Trek was an attempt to say that humanity will reach maturity and wisdom on the day that it begins not just to tolerate, but take a special delight in differences in ideas and differences in life forms. […] If we cannot learn to actually enjoy those small differences, to take a positive delight in those small differences between our own kind, here on this planet, then we do not deserve to go out into space and meet the diversity that is almost certainly out there."

-Gene Roddenberry

That's my point. That maturity he's talking about is losing tribalism. Us vs Them. Globalism isn't bad because it's the start of maturity.
Why the fuck is Gene Roddenberry you're intellectual backing here?

You're literally citing Star Trek. What the fuck.

So? His story touched millions. Like it or not, his vision gave people hope.

And I'm not quoting Star Trek, I'm quoting the author.
It's not so much that his work is popular, it's the fact that you referenced a fucking screenwriter as a legitimate intellectual source in a serious discussion.

It's like you deliberately go out of your way to miss the point of what people are trying to say sometimes.

And?

Having a concrete view of the future and the ability to communicate that vision to millions puts him ahead of most. And does his life as a writer invalidate him? Especially when most mainstream scientists quote him whenever the future is brought up?
I don't really care how influential you think he is. He was a television writer, with virtually no intellectual or credible bearing to what the thread is about. As interesting as his perspectives may be, citing a sci fi writer and producer, aka an entertainer, doesn't exactly belong in the realms of a serious discussion. It's like asking Tom Clancy for advice on a genuine military operation.

You're entitled to your opinions on globalism but at least substantiate these opinions with a somewhat reputable backing to them.

Oh... So post what everyone rlse is with the same level of source?

TEH MUDSLINES R EBIL N EEE SHUD NUK M ALL
Posts like these is why nobody takes you seriously any more.


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LOL. And it goes personal.

"Star Trek was an attempt to say that humanity will reach maturity and wisdom on the day that it begins not just to tolerate, but take a special delight in differences in ideas and differences in life forms. […] If we cannot learn to actually enjoy those small differences, to take a positive delight in those small differences between our own kind, here on this planet, then we do not deserve to go out into space and meet the diversity that is almost certainly out there."

-Gene Roddenberry

That's my point. That maturity he's talking about is losing tribalism. Us vs Them. Globalism isn't bad because it's the start of maturity.
Why the fuck is Gene Roddenberry you're intellectual backing here?

You're literally citing Star Trek. What the fuck.

So? His story touched millions. Like it or not, his vision gave people hope.

And I'm not quoting Star Trek, I'm quoting the author.
It's not so much that his work is popular, it's the fact that you referenced a fucking screenwriter as a legitimate intellectual source in a serious discussion.

It's like you deliberately go out of your way to miss the point of what people are trying to say sometimes.

And?

Having a concrete view of the future and the ability to communicate that vision to millions puts him ahead of most. And does his life as a writer invalidate him? Especially when most mainstream scientists quote him whenever the future is brought up?
I don't really care how influential you think he is. He was a television writer, with virtually no intellectual or credible bearing to what the thread is about. As interesting as his perspectives may be, citing a sci fi writer and producer, aka an entertainer, doesn't exactly belong in the realms of a serious discussion. It's like asking Tom Clancy for advice on a genuine military operation.

You're entitled to your opinions on globalism but at least substantiate these opinions with a somewhat reputable backing to them.

Oh... So post what everyone rlse is with the same level of source?

TEH MUDSLINES R EBIL N EEE SHUD NUK M ALL
Posts like these is why nobody takes you seriously any more.

Why would you take anyone seriously on this board?


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emigrate or degenerate. the choice is yours
LOL. And it goes personal.

"Star Trek was an attempt to say that humanity will reach maturity and wisdom on the day that it begins not just to tolerate, but take a special delight in differences in ideas and differences in life forms. […] If we cannot learn to actually enjoy those small differences, to take a positive delight in those small differences between our own kind, here on this planet, then we do not deserve to go out into space and meet the diversity that is almost certainly out there."

-Gene Roddenberry

That's my point. That maturity he's talking about is losing tribalism. Us vs Them. Globalism isn't bad because it's the start of maturity.
Why the fuck is Gene Roddenberry you're intellectual backing here?

You're literally citing Star Trek. What the fuck.

So? His story touched millions. Like it or not, his vision gave people hope.

And I'm not quoting Star Trek, I'm quoting the author.
It's not so much that his work is popular, it's the fact that you referenced a fucking screenwriter as a legitimate intellectual source in a serious discussion.

It's like you deliberately go out of your way to miss the point of what people are trying to say sometimes.

And?

Having a concrete view of the future and the ability to communicate that vision to millions puts him ahead of most. And does his life as a writer invalidate him? Especially when most mainstream scientists quote him whenever the future is brought up?
I don't really care how influential you think he is. He was a television writer, with virtually no intellectual or credible bearing to what the thread is about. As interesting as his perspectives may be, citing a sci fi writer and producer, aka an entertainer, doesn't exactly belong in the realms of a serious discussion. It's like asking Tom Clancy for advice on a genuine military operation.

You're entitled to your opinions on globalism but at least substantiate these opinions with a somewhat reputable backing to them.

Oh... So post what everyone rlse is with the same level of source?

TEH MUDSLINES R EBIL N EEE SHUD NUK M ALL
Posts like these is why nobody takes you seriously any more.

Why would you take anyone seriously on this board?
I take the people that post here far more seriously than someone who's a carbon copy of a reddit board.


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LOL. And it goes personal.

"Star Trek was an attempt to say that humanity will reach maturity and wisdom on the day that it begins not just to tolerate, but take a special delight in differences in ideas and differences in life forms. […] If we cannot learn to actually enjoy those small differences, to take a positive delight in those small differences between our own kind, here on this planet, then we do not deserve to go out into space and meet the diversity that is almost certainly out there."

-Gene Roddenberry

That's my point. That maturity he's talking about is losing tribalism. Us vs Them. Globalism isn't bad because it's the start of maturity.
Why the fuck is Gene Roddenberry you're intellectual backing here?

You're literally citing Star Trek. What the fuck.

So? His story touched millions. Like it or not, his vision gave people hope.

And I'm not quoting Star Trek, I'm quoting the author.
It's not so much that his work is popular, it's the fact that you referenced a fucking screenwriter as a legitimate intellectual source in a serious discussion.

It's like you deliberately go out of your way to miss the point of what people are trying to say sometimes.

And?

Having a concrete view of the future and the ability to communicate that vision to millions puts him ahead of most. And does his life as a writer invalidate him? Especially when most mainstream scientists quote him whenever the future is brought up?
I don't really care how influential you think he is. He was a television writer, with virtually no intellectual or credible bearing to what the thread is about. As interesting as his perspectives may be, citing a sci fi writer and producer, aka an entertainer, doesn't exactly belong in the realms of a serious discussion. It's like asking Tom Clancy for advice on a genuine military operation.

You're entitled to your opinions on globalism but at least substantiate these opinions with a somewhat reputable backing to them.

Oh... So post what everyone rlse is with the same level of source?

TEH MUDSLINES R EBIL N EEE SHUD NUK M ALL
Posts like these is why nobody takes you seriously any more.

Why would you take anyone seriously on this board?
I take the people that post here far more seriously than someone who's a carbon copy of a reddit board.

Are you gonna step out of the ad hominem?

The thread is "Why is Globalism Bad" not "Cite with sources explaining the failures of Globalism and society."

So far what I've said hasn't been called out, but my sources and attacks on me.

I stand behind my original statement. Globalism isn't bad, as we can't achieve our potential until we move past tribalism.

You want a "official source?"

Fine.
Last Edit: September 04, 2016, 08:35:11 PM by MyNameIsCharlie


 
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The thread is "Why is Globalism Bad" not "Cite with sources explaining the failures of Globalism and society."
Irrelevant, when I disputed your claim you brought up Gene Roddenberry as a source along with some vague and condescending statement about the nature of communism, which I'm pretty sure nobody fully understood.

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Globalism isn't bad, as we can't achieve our potential until we move past tribalism.
This isn't the discussion we are having; I agree that globalism is good. The point of contention is how you describe tribalism and its effects. As well as your ridiculous characterisation of science fiction.

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Fine.
You should probably check the reputation of your source after just searching "Tribalism is bad" into Google. FEE is a fairly well-known uber-libertarian think-tank that has articles praising Ludwig von Mises as the greatest thinker of the 20th Century. But, let's see what FEE says:

Tribalism is the belief in the supremacy of one’s group identity over the rights of individual human beings.

No, it isn't. The article is making its point on the back of a loaded definition. Taking the actual definition from Oxford Dictionary, it's pretty easy to see that tribalism is the natural state of human beings.

It's also kind of ironic how your entire article is about how capitalism has overcome the limits of tribalism by promoting trust (something even I don't agree with), whereas you are here arguing we are yet to move past it. So there's three arguments here: that tribalism is still around and it's horrible, that tribalism has been removed in capitalist societies due to the promotion of trust, or that tribalism is still around but really not as bad as you seem to think.

And the correct answer is probably a mixture of all three.
Last Edit: September 05, 2016, 03:06:31 AM by Meta Cognition