Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on September 02, 2016, 12:51:53 AMQuote from: clum clum on September 02, 2016, 12:47:17 AMQuote from: MyNameIsCharlie on September 02, 2016, 12:45:32 AMQuote from: Meta Cognition on September 02, 2016, 12:44:10 AMQuote from: MyNameIsCharlie on September 01, 2016, 04:57:55 PMHumanity hasn't grown out of tribalism yet. For a globalist society to exist, we need to ditch the idea of our tribesThis is precisely wrong. Tribalism will be the only thing keeping humanity unified by the time it becomes a spacefaring species.The concept itself has to be discarded. Otherwise we'll start shooting the second we make first contact.Ladies and gentlemen, a créme de la créme example of the slippery slope fallacy.No, we won't. Why? Because aliens aren't human. The concept of tribalism doesn't apply.Look at nearly EVERY example of fiction we have. If we can't see that we have no tribe, then it's nearly always us vs them. Where did this very forum come from? A little game called Halo. Which it the quintessential us vs them storyHang on here... fiction isn't reality.
Quote from: clum clum on September 02, 2016, 12:47:17 AMQuote from: MyNameIsCharlie on September 02, 2016, 12:45:32 AMQuote from: Meta Cognition on September 02, 2016, 12:44:10 AMQuote from: MyNameIsCharlie on September 01, 2016, 04:57:55 PMHumanity hasn't grown out of tribalism yet. For a globalist society to exist, we need to ditch the idea of our tribesThis is precisely wrong. Tribalism will be the only thing keeping humanity unified by the time it becomes a spacefaring species.The concept itself has to be discarded. Otherwise we'll start shooting the second we make first contact.Ladies and gentlemen, a créme de la créme example of the slippery slope fallacy.No, we won't. Why? Because aliens aren't human. The concept of tribalism doesn't apply.Look at nearly EVERY example of fiction we have. If we can't see that we have no tribe, then it's nearly always us vs them. Where did this very forum come from? A little game called Halo. Which it the quintessential us vs them story
Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on September 02, 2016, 12:45:32 AMQuote from: Meta Cognition on September 02, 2016, 12:44:10 AMQuote from: MyNameIsCharlie on September 01, 2016, 04:57:55 PMHumanity hasn't grown out of tribalism yet. For a globalist society to exist, we need to ditch the idea of our tribesThis is precisely wrong. Tribalism will be the only thing keeping humanity unified by the time it becomes a spacefaring species.The concept itself has to be discarded. Otherwise we'll start shooting the second we make first contact.Ladies and gentlemen, a créme de la créme example of the slippery slope fallacy.No, we won't. Why? Because aliens aren't human. The concept of tribalism doesn't apply.
Quote from: Meta Cognition on September 02, 2016, 12:44:10 AMQuote from: MyNameIsCharlie on September 01, 2016, 04:57:55 PMHumanity hasn't grown out of tribalism yet. For a globalist society to exist, we need to ditch the idea of our tribesThis is precisely wrong. Tribalism will be the only thing keeping humanity unified by the time it becomes a spacefaring species.The concept itself has to be discarded. Otherwise we'll start shooting the second we make first contact.
Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on September 01, 2016, 04:57:55 PMHumanity hasn't grown out of tribalism yet. For a globalist society to exist, we need to ditch the idea of our tribesThis is precisely wrong. Tribalism will be the only thing keeping humanity unified by the time it becomes a spacefaring species.
Humanity hasn't grown out of tribalism yet. For a globalist society to exist, we need to ditch the idea of our tribes
Quote from: clum clum on September 02, 2016, 12:52:53 AMQuote from: MyNameIsCharlie on September 02, 2016, 12:51:53 AMQuote from: clum clum on September 02, 2016, 12:47:17 AMQuote from: MyNameIsCharlie on September 02, 2016, 12:45:32 AMQuote from: Meta Cognition on September 02, 2016, 12:44:10 AMQuote from: MyNameIsCharlie on September 01, 2016, 04:57:55 PMHumanity hasn't grown out of tribalism yet. For a globalist society to exist, we need to ditch the idea of our tribesThis is precisely wrong. Tribalism will be the only thing keeping humanity unified by the time it becomes a spacefaring species.The concept itself has to be discarded. Otherwise we'll start shooting the second we make first contact.Ladies and gentlemen, a créme de la créme example of the slippery slope fallacy.No, we won't. Why? Because aliens aren't human. The concept of tribalism doesn't apply.Look at nearly EVERY example of fiction we have. If we can't see that we have no tribe, then it's nearly always us vs them. Where did this very forum come from? A little game called Halo. Which it the quintessential us vs them storyHang on here... fiction isn't reality.Science fiction is where we see ourselves in the future and our hopes of how we'll do. Look into Roddenberry's vision of Star Trek if you doubt the meaning of Sci Fi
. The human condition has to change.
Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on September 02, 2016, 12:55:03 AMQuote from: clum clum on September 02, 2016, 12:52:53 AMQuote from: MyNameIsCharlie on September 02, 2016, 12:51:53 AMQuote from: clum clum on September 02, 2016, 12:47:17 AMQuote from: MyNameIsCharlie on September 02, 2016, 12:45:32 AMQuote from: Meta Cognition on September 02, 2016, 12:44:10 AMQuote from: MyNameIsCharlie on September 01, 2016, 04:57:55 PMHumanity hasn't grown out of tribalism yet. For a globalist society to exist, we need to ditch the idea of our tribesThis is precisely wrong. Tribalism will be the only thing keeping humanity unified by the time it becomes a spacefaring species.The concept itself has to be discarded. Otherwise we'll start shooting the second we make first contact.Ladies and gentlemen, a créme de la créme example of the slippery slope fallacy.No, we won't. Why? Because aliens aren't human. The concept of tribalism doesn't apply.Look at nearly EVERY example of fiction we have. If we can't see that we have no tribe, then it's nearly always us vs them. Where did this very forum come from? A little game called Halo. Which it the quintessential us vs them storyHang on here... fiction isn't reality.Science fiction is where we see ourselves in the future and our hopes of how we'll do. Look into Roddenberry's vision of Star Trek if you doubt the meaning of Sci FiSee, the thing is, our predictions of the future based on fiction tend to be not very accurate.Look at how people in 1899 thought the year 2000 would be like:
Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on September 02, 2016, 01:03:15 AM. The human condition has to change.It won't change. And that's why I'm convinced we'll be wiped out in a century. Stopping a human from being human is impossible. We aren't perfect beings and have limitations.Best course of action would be to replace us all with robots that aren't bound to primitive things. But that's not possible, either.Seems like we're pretty much screwed.
Quote from: clum clum on September 02, 2016, 01:06:42 AMQuote from: MyNameIsCharlie on September 02, 2016, 01:03:15 AM. The human condition has to change.It won't change. And that's why I'm convinced we'll be wiped out in a century. Stopping a human from being human is impossible. We aren't perfect beings and have limitations.Best course of action would be to replace us all with robots that aren't bound to primitive things. But that's not possible, either.Seems like we're pretty much screwed.That's why I said we have to. We can't even wrap our heads around global issues. How can we handle interstellar ones?There has to be a paradigm shift in how we view ourselves before we're ready to venture out to the stars
Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on September 02, 2016, 01:21:12 AMQuote from: clum clum on September 02, 2016, 01:06:42 AMQuote from: MyNameIsCharlie on September 02, 2016, 01:03:15 AM. The human condition has to change.It won't change. And that's why I'm convinced we'll be wiped out in a century. Stopping a human from being human is impossible. We aren't perfect beings and have limitations.Best course of action would be to replace us all with robots that aren't bound to primitive things. But that's not possible, either.Seems like we're pretty much screwed.That's why I said we have to. We can't even wrap our heads around global issues. How can we handle interstellar ones?There has to be a paradigm shift in how we view ourselves before we're ready to venture out to the starsThe sad thing is, it's not gonna happen. It can't work by any stretch of the imagination.
Quote from: clum clum on September 02, 2016, 01:22:05 AMQuote from: MyNameIsCharlie on September 02, 2016, 01:21:12 AMQuote from: clum clum on September 02, 2016, 01:06:42 AMQuote from: MyNameIsCharlie on September 02, 2016, 01:03:15 AM. The human condition has to change.It won't change. And that's why I'm convinced we'll be wiped out in a century. Stopping a human from being human is impossible. We aren't perfect beings and have limitations.Best course of action would be to replace us all with robots that aren't bound to primitive things. But that's not possible, either.Seems like we're pretty much screwed.That's why I said we have to. We can't even wrap our heads around global issues. How can we handle interstellar ones?There has to be a paradigm shift in how we view ourselves before we're ready to venture out to the starsThe sad thing is, it's not gonna happen. It can't work by any stretch of the imagination.We're still too early to call anything about what the future will turn out to be. As of right now, globalism is a concept that can't work due to where we sit at as a species in terms of evolution.But, in a couple centuries and with some lucky dice rolls, who can really say.
Quote from: Doop on September 02, 2016, 01:27:05 AMQuote from: clum clum on September 02, 2016, 01:22:05 AMQuote from: MyNameIsCharlie on September 02, 2016, 01:21:12 AMQuote from: clum clum on September 02, 2016, 01:06:42 AMQuote from: MyNameIsCharlie on September 02, 2016, 01:03:15 AM. The human condition has to change.It won't change. And that's why I'm convinced we'll be wiped out in a century. Stopping a human from being human is impossible. We aren't perfect beings and have limitations.Best course of action would be to replace us all with robots that aren't bound to primitive things. But that's not possible, either.Seems like we're pretty much screwed.That's why I said we have to. We can't even wrap our heads around global issues. How can we handle interstellar ones?There has to be a paradigm shift in how we view ourselves before we're ready to venture out to the starsThe sad thing is, it's not gonna happen. It can't work by any stretch of the imagination.We're still too early to call anything about what the future will turn out to be. As of right now, globalism is a concept that can't work due to where we sit at as a species in terms of evolution.But, in a couple centuries and with some lucky dice rolls, who can really say.Takes more than centuries for natural evolution to become noticeable. And we have about a century left.
The concept itself has to be discarded. Otherwise we'll start shooting the second we make first contact.
without the concept of us and them
Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on September 02, 2016, 01:03:15 AMwithout the concept of us and themDuh, Roddenberry was a fucking commie.
Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on September 02, 2016, 12:45:32 AMThe concept itself has to be discarded. Otherwise we'll start shooting the second we make first contact.You're deluded if you think tribe loyalty means total, unthinking, hostile xenophobia. I said tribalism will keep us together as a species, not that we should all turn into Space Nazis.
Communism. A 4 syllable word for those too dense to see our future
Fiction is humanity doing a thought experiment on how it would react. 99/100 times, we kill them
Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on September 02, 2016, 12:51:53 AMQuote from: clum clum on September 02, 2016, 12:47:17 AMQuote from: MyNameIsCharlie on September 02, 2016, 12:45:32 AMQuote from: Meta Cognition on September 02, 2016, 12:44:10 AMQuote from: MyNameIsCharlie on September 01, 2016, 04:57:55 PMHumanity hasn't grown out of tribalism yet. For a globalist society to exist, we need to ditch the idea of our tribesThis is precisely wrong. Tribalism will be the only thing keeping humanity unified by the time it becomes a spacefaring species.The concept itself has to be discarded. Otherwise we'll start shooting the second we make first contact.Ladies and gentlemen, a créme de la créme example of the slippery slope fallacy.No, we won't. Why? Because aliens aren't human. The concept of tribalism doesn't apply.Look at nearly EVERY example of fiction we have. If we can't see that we have no tribe, then it's nearly always us vs them. Where did this very forum come from? A little game called Halo. Which it the quintessential us vs them storyYeah but in Halo it was aliens that shot first because they were religious nutjobs. Bad example for your point.
Quote from: BaconShelf on September 02, 2016, 02:09:00 AMQuote from: MyNameIsCharlie on September 02, 2016, 12:51:53 AMQuote from: clum clum on September 02, 2016, 12:47:17 AMQuote from: MyNameIsCharlie on September 02, 2016, 12:45:32 AMQuote from: Meta Cognition on September 02, 2016, 12:44:10 AMQuote from: MyNameIsCharlie on September 01, 2016, 04:57:55 PMHumanity hasn't grown out of tribalism yet. For a globalist society to exist, we need to ditch the idea of our tribesThis is precisely wrong. Tribalism will be the only thing keeping humanity unified by the time it becomes a spacefaring species.The concept itself has to be discarded. Otherwise we'll start shooting the second we make first contact.Ladies and gentlemen, a créme de la créme example of the slippery slope fallacy.No, we won't. Why? Because aliens aren't human. The concept of tribalism doesn't apply.Look at nearly EVERY example of fiction we have. If we can't see that we have no tribe, then it's nearly always us vs them. Where did this very forum come from? A little game called Halo. Which it the quintessential us vs them storyYeah but in Halo it was aliens that shot first because they were religious nutjobs. Bad example for your point.It's a perfect example. That's how we think they'll be. We're projecting ourselves on them.
LOL. And it goes personal. "Star Trek was an attempt to say that humanity will reach maturity and wisdom on the day that it begins not just to tolerate, but take a special delight in differences in ideas and differences in life forms. […] If we cannot learn to actually enjoy those small differences, to take a positive delight in those small differences between our own kind, here on this planet, then we do not deserve to go out into space and meet the diversity that is almost certainly out there."-Gene RoddenberryThat's my point. That maturity he's talking about is losing tribalism. Us vs Them. Globalism isn't bad because it's the start of maturity.
I'm not surprised your wife cheated on you if she had to deal with this shit.
Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on September 02, 2016, 02:25:16 PMLOL. And it goes personal. "Star Trek was an attempt to say that humanity will reach maturity and wisdom on the day that it begins not just to tolerate, but take a special delight in differences in ideas and differences in life forms. […] If we cannot learn to actually enjoy those small differences, to take a positive delight in those small differences between our own kind, here on this planet, then we do not deserve to go out into space and meet the diversity that is almost certainly out there."-Gene RoddenberryThat's my point. That maturity he's talking about is losing tribalism. Us vs Them. Globalism isn't bad because it's the start of maturity.Why the fuck is Gene Roddenberry you're intellectual backing here? You're literally citing Star Trek. What the fuck.
Quote from: BaconShelf on September 02, 2016, 02:09:00 AMQuote from: MyNameIsCharlie on September 02, 2016, 12:51:53 AMQuote from: clum clum on September 02, 2016, 12:47:17 AMQuote from: MyNameIsCharlie on September 02, 2016, 12:45:32 AMQuote from: Meta Cognition on September 02, 2016, 12:44:10 AMQuote from: MyNameIsCharlie on September 01, 2016, 04:57:55 PMHumanity hasn't grown out of tribalism yet. For a globalist society to exist, we need to ditch the idea of our tribesThis is precisely wrong. Tribalism will be the only thing keeping humanity unified by the time it becomes a spacefaring species.The concept itself has to be discarded. Otherwise we'll start shooting the second we make first contact.Ladies and gentlemen, a créme de la créme example of the slippery slope fallacy.No, we won't. Why? Because aliens aren't human. The concept of tribalism doesn't apply.Look at nearly EVERY example of fiction we have. If we can't see that we have no tribe, then it's nearly always us vs them. Where did this very forum come from? A little game called Halo. Which it the quintessential us vs them storyYeah but in Halo it was aliens that shot first because they were religious nutjobs. Bad example for your point.If we want to get super technical here, Lighter Than Some wasn't a religious nutjob.He was just trying to save his pal from an angry alien attack.
Quote from: Meta Cognition on September 02, 2016, 03:25:58 PMQuote from: MyNameIsCharlie on September 02, 2016, 02:25:16 PMLOL. And it goes personal. "Star Trek was an attempt to say that humanity will reach maturity and wisdom on the day that it begins not just to tolerate, but take a special delight in differences in ideas and differences in life forms. […] If we cannot learn to actually enjoy those small differences, to take a positive delight in those small differences between our own kind, here on this planet, then we do not deserve to go out into space and meet the diversity that is almost certainly out there."-Gene RoddenberryThat's my point. That maturity he's talking about is losing tribalism. Us vs Them. Globalism isn't bad because it's the start of maturity.Why the fuck is Gene Roddenberry you're intellectual backing here? You're literally citing Star Trek. What the fuck.So? His story touched millions. Like it or not, his vision gave people hope. And I'm not quoting Star Trek, I'm quoting the author.
Why is Globalism bad?
