If your biggest concern right now is civil unrest and property damage as a response to state officiated murder then there's not much else to tell you other than that your priorities and moral compass have exited the Earth's atmosphere.
Quote from: Mordo on June 01, 2020, 11:58:30 AMIf your biggest concern right now is civil unrest and property damage as a response to state officiated murder then there's not much else to tell you other than that your priorities and moral compass have exited the Earth's atmosphere.Innocent people are being beaten, shot at, and having their businesses destroyed. You don't believe all of that is somehow necessary do you?
How do you de-escalate a rioting crowd? I think that is the key question here. I doubt there is a right answer.What will end the riots in the US now? Do people even understand what they are rioting about? I think most were just frustrated by all the other things going on at the moment and this riot just happened at the right time.
Quote from: Aether on June 01, 2020, 12:21:38 PMQuote from: Mordo on June 01, 2020, 11:58:30 AMIf your biggest concern right now is civil unrest and property damage as a response to state officiated murder then there's not much else to tell you other than that your priorities and moral compass have exited the Earth's atmosphere.Innocent people are being beaten, shot at, and having their businesses destroyed. You don't believe all of that is somehow necessary do you?Me? I don't. The system has somehow made it necessary. How many times have we been down this road with peaceful protest where nothing changes? Believe me, I'd really like to live in a world where we can kumbaya the problems away by singing John Lennons Imagine but it's a far cry from reality.
Quote from: Mordo on June 01, 2020, 12:31:02 PMQuote from: Aether on June 01, 2020, 12:21:38 PMQuote from: Mordo on June 01, 2020, 11:58:30 AMIf your biggest concern right now is civil unrest and property damage as a response to state officiated murder then there's not much else to tell you other than that your priorities and moral compass have exited the Earth's atmosphere.Innocent people are being beaten, shot at, and having their businesses destroyed. You don't believe all of that is somehow necessary do you?Me? I don't. The system has somehow made it necessary. How many times have we been down this road with peaceful protest where nothing changes? Believe me, I'd really like to live in a world where we can kumbaya the problems away by singing John Lennons Imagine but it's a far cry from reality.Sorry, I don't think hurting innocent people is necessary to fight oppression. I think that's a very dangerous belief seriously lacking in empathy.There's a reason MLK said that, "darkness cannot drive out darkness, only the light can do that." His movement didn't go around singing kumbaya, but they didn't go around hurting people for no reason either, and yet they somehow managed to get the civil rights act enacted and abolish segregation and Jim Crow laws.
A good number of posts on social media still link it to a BLM movement for Goerge Floyd's death, but it appears to have been co-opted by Antifa which is only going to sully the original idea and render it invalid. Regardless, several posts on Twitter last night called for it to move to suburban neighborhoods, that would be an absolutely garbage idea if their intent is to hurt the idea of authoritative power, attacking innocent civilians trying to keep themselves safe at home is a complete contradiction to that. Quote from: FatherlyNick on June 01, 2020, 11:26:35 AMHow do you de-escalate a rioting crowd? I think that is the key question here. I doubt there is a right answer. What will end the riots in the US now? Do people even understand what they are rioting about? I think most were just frustrated by all the other things going on at the moment and this riot just happened at the right time.
How do you de-escalate a rioting crowd? I think that is the key question here. I doubt there is a right answer. What will end the riots in the US now? Do people even understand what they are rioting about? I think most were just frustrated by all the other things going on at the moment and this riot just happened at the right time.
There's a reason MLK said that, "darkness cannot drive out darkness, only the light can do that." His movement didn't go around singing kumbaya, but they didn't go around hurting people for no reason either, and yet they somehow managed to get the civil rights act enacted and abolish segregation and Jim Crow laws.
Quote from: Aether on June 01, 2020, 12:48:37 PMThere's a reason MLK said that, "darkness cannot drive out darkness, only the light can do that." His movement didn't go around singing kumbaya, but they didn't go around hurting people for no reason either, and yet they somehow managed to get the civil rights act enacted and abolish segregation and Jim Crow laws.don't forget stopped racism!oh wait he didn't do that because peaceful protests have demonstrably done fuck all to stop racism, fucking whoops
aaaand with these last few posts I hope now you understand why cops bring riot shields and armored vehicles to large, riled-up protests.
Quote from: FatherlyNick on June 01, 2020, 01:25:30 PMaaaand with these last few posts I hope now you understand why cops bring riot shields and armored vehicles to large, riled-up protests.New Zealand, London and Berlin have all been subject to street wide "riled up" emotionally charged protests and been met with no civil disorder.I wonder why that is. I wonder what the common denominator here could be.Oink oink.
And yet racial inequality and systematic discrimination is still a pervasive and ingrained problem that hasn't dissappeared. No one here is positing the notion that innocent lives need to be ruined to see any significant change, at least not seriously. But this instant jump to riots and looting being the main focus of concern, when it's actually a symptom of the rotten system, is a serious misalignment of where the priorities should be.
Are we really trying to pretend that it's just corporations getting destroyed?
Also BLM and ANTIFA aren't a monolith, there are no leaders. That's were the "CEO of ANTIFA" meme comes from, because it demonstrates a ridiculous and complete lack of understanding of how any of this shit actually functions.
Implying it's a bad thing to kick out the corporations that have led us to the economic position we're in now in the first place. Why should I feel bad for predatory companies that value profit margins over human lives?
Also human lives have higher value than property, end story.
No, corporations who care more about profit margins above all else. I'm talking about the penny pinching that squeezes every last dime out of both employees and customers so that execs can horde their wealth while the rest of the country continues to fall into disarray. I don't really think I need to spell it out for you further, you should know what I'm talking about.
Quote from: Mordo on June 01, 2020, 01:03:07 PMAnd yet racial inequality and systematic discrimination is still a pervasive and ingrained problem that hasn't dissappeared. No one here is positing the notion that innocent lives need to be ruined to see any significant change, at least not seriously. But this instant jump to riots and looting being the main focus of concern, when it's actually a symptom of the rotten system, is a serious misalignment of where the priorities should be.The point is not to encourage the violence by making it out to be a necessary evil to create change within a rotten system.If you don't believe innocent lives need ruining, then I don't understand how you can say that "the system makes it necessary."
If enough people participated in coordinated inaction, you could bring a state to it's knees within a week.
Quote from: E on June 01, 2020, 09:08:33 PMIf enough people participated in coordinated inaction, you could bring a state to it's knees within a week.This is the key focal point to your entire argument. "If enough people." How many people is "enough"? Millions of Americans have been out of work for months, but things are still going.
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Justifying Riots
