Anarcho-Communist
Quote from: Nixeris on February 14, 2018, 09:33:50 PMAnarcho-CommunistIsn't this like an oxymoron?
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Quote from: Aether on February 14, 2018, 10:02:23 PMQuote from: Nixeris on February 14, 2018, 09:33:50 PMAnarcho-CommunistIsn't this like an oxymoron?No, it's a genuine and highly thought out ideology, I hope you aren't one of those "Socialism is when the government does stuff" types. As Communism, in it's truest form, is stateless.
Quote from: Nixeris on February 14, 2018, 10:04:29 PMQuote from: Aether on February 14, 2018, 10:02:23 PMQuote from: Nixeris on February 14, 2018, 09:33:50 PMAnarcho-CommunistIsn't this like an oxymoron?No, it's a genuine and highly thought out ideology, I hope you aren't one of those "Socialism is when the government does stuff" types. As Communism, in it's truest form, is stateless.How is it possible to achieve true communism without the state intervening? Considering the fact that millions of people wouldn't go along with it.
Quote from: Aether on February 14, 2018, 10:29:15 PMQuote from: Nixeris on February 14, 2018, 10:04:29 PMQuote from: Aether on February 14, 2018, 10:02:23 PMQuote from: Nixeris on February 14, 2018, 09:33:50 PMAnarcho-CommunistIsn't this like an oxymoron?No, it's a genuine and highly thought out ideology, I hope you aren't one of those "Socialism is when the government does stuff" types. As Communism, in it's truest form, is stateless.How is it possible to achieve true communism without the state intervening? Considering the fact that millions of people wouldn't go along with it.All Communism is, is community controlled means of production. With people giving according to their ability, and receiving according to their needs. Tyrants like Stalin ruled in state capitalism and called it communism.
Quote from: Nixeris on February 15, 2018, 09:05:40 AMQuote from: Aether on February 14, 2018, 10:29:15 PMQuote from: Nixeris on February 14, 2018, 10:04:29 PMQuote from: Aether on February 14, 2018, 10:02:23 PMQuote from: Nixeris on February 14, 2018, 09:33:50 PMAnarcho-CommunistIsn't this like an oxymoron?No, it's a genuine and highly thought out ideology, I hope you aren't one of those "Socialism is when the government does stuff" types. As Communism, in it's truest form, is stateless.How is it possible to achieve true communism without the state intervening? Considering the fact that millions of people wouldn't go along with it.All Communism is, is community controlled means of production. With people giving according to their ability, and receiving according to their needs. Tyrants like Stalin ruled in state capitalism and called it communism.Yeah I understand that point, but I'm thinking practically here. If millions of people would reject that way of living, if they would refuse to accept and go along with it, then the state would have to force them to go along with it or force them out of society through tyranny.tbh (and I'm not saying this is what you're doing, I don't know you well enough) I think any vision of utopia is directly pursued through naivety. Perhaps unless and until we discover an over-unity method of creating energy and in turn create over-abundance for our society. If we actually manage to reach the technological singularity, for instance, and it doesn't end up bringing about our extinction, then I think the pursuit of utopia might be more plausible. But only if, and this is a very huge if, (((human nature))) doesn't intervene again. After-all, people revel in danger and hardship. To so many, life is meaningless without struggle against something in some form. Without any struggle ever, I'm not certain a human can find meaning in living tbh. I'm just not wise enough to know and probably never will be.
Quote from: Aether on February 15, 2018, 09:28:42 AMQuote from: Nixeris on February 15, 2018, 09:05:40 AMQuote from: Aether on February 14, 2018, 10:29:15 PMQuote from: Nixeris on February 14, 2018, 10:04:29 PMQuote from: Aether on February 14, 2018, 10:02:23 PMQuote from: Nixeris on February 14, 2018, 09:33:50 PMAnarcho-CommunistIsn't this like an oxymoron?No, it's a genuine and highly thought out ideology, I hope you aren't one of those "Socialism is when the government does stuff" types. As Communism, in it's truest form, is stateless.How is it possible to achieve true communism without the state intervening? Considering the fact that millions of people wouldn't go along with it.All Communism is, is community controlled means of production. With people giving according to their ability, and receiving according to their needs. Tyrants like Stalin ruled in state capitalism and called it communism.Yeah I understand that point, but I'm thinking practically here. If millions of people would reject that way of living, if they would refuse to accept and go along with it, then the state would have to force them to go along with it or force them out of society through tyranny.tbh (and I'm not saying this is what you're doing, I don't know you well enough) I think any vision of utopia is directly pursued through naivety. Perhaps unless and until we discover an over-unity method of creating energy and in turn create over-abundance for our society. If we actually manage to reach the technological singularity, for instance, and it doesn't end up bringing about our extinction, then I think the pursuit of utopia might be more plausible. But only if, and this is a very huge if, (((human nature))) doesn't intervene again. After-all, people revel in danger and hardship. To so many, life is meaningless without struggle against something in some form. Without any struggle ever, I'm not certain a human can find meaning in living tbh. I'm just not wise enough to know and probably never will be.The human nature argument always puzzled me, it's fairly obvious human nature is a result of surroundings, of nurture over nature for the most part, and so in a Capitalist society, people are selfish, as that is what the system rewards. Whereas a lot of people I know with anti-capitalist views are generally considerably kinder and more accepting/helpful. I'm an Anarchist, and so I believe in abolishing the state, for freedom of all people, people telling you how to live and what to live for is an inherently oppressive thing. People want freedom.
Quote from: Nixeris on February 15, 2018, 09:36:35 AMQuote from: Aether on February 15, 2018, 09:28:42 AMQuote from: Nixeris on February 15, 2018, 09:05:40 AMQuote from: Aether on February 14, 2018, 10:29:15 PMQuote from: Nixeris on February 14, 2018, 10:04:29 PMQuote from: Aether on February 14, 2018, 10:02:23 PMQuote from: Nixeris on February 14, 2018, 09:33:50 PMAnarcho-CommunistIsn't this like an oxymoron?No, it's a genuine and highly thought out ideology, I hope you aren't one of those "Socialism is when the government does stuff" types. As Communism, in it's truest form, is stateless.How is it possible to achieve true communism without the state intervening? Considering the fact that millions of people wouldn't go along with it.All Communism is, is community controlled means of production. With people giving according to their ability, and receiving according to their needs. Tyrants like Stalin ruled in state capitalism and called it communism.Yeah I understand that point, but I'm thinking practically here. If millions of people would reject that way of living, if they would refuse to accept and go along with it, then the state would have to force them to go along with it or force them out of society through tyranny.tbh (and I'm not saying this is what you're doing, I don't know you well enough) I think any vision of utopia is directly pursued through naivety. Perhaps unless and until we discover an over-unity method of creating energy and in turn create over-abundance for our society. If we actually manage to reach the technological singularity, for instance, and it doesn't end up bringing about our extinction, then I think the pursuit of utopia might be more plausible. But only if, and this is a very huge if, (((human nature))) doesn't intervene again. After-all, people revel in danger and hardship. To so many, life is meaningless without struggle against something in some form. Without any struggle ever, I'm not certain a human can find meaning in living tbh. I'm just not wise enough to know and probably never will be.The human nature argument always puzzled me, it's fairly obvious human nature is a result of surroundings, of nurture over nature for the most part, and so in a Capitalist society, people are selfish, as that is what the system rewards. Whereas a lot of people I know with anti-capitalist views are generally considerably kinder and more accepting/helpful. I'm an Anarchist, and so I believe in abolishing the state, for freedom of all people, people telling you how to live and what to live for is an inherently oppressive thing. People want freedom."Capitalism" is a pure expression of human nature. There's a reason no other system ever lasts. Communism, fascism, whatever.
Quote from: Nixeris on February 15, 2018, 09:05:40 AMQuote from: Aether on February 14, 2018, 10:29:15 PMQuote from: Nixeris on February 14, 2018, 10:04:29 PMQuote from: Aether on February 14, 2018, 10:02:23 PMQuote from: Nixeris on February 14, 2018, 09:33:50 PMAnarcho-CommunistIsn't this like an oxymoron?No, it's a genuine and highly thought out ideology, I hope you aren't one of those "Socialism is when the government does stuff" types. As Communism, in it's truest form, is stateless.How is it possible to achieve true communism without the state intervening? Considering the fact that millions of people wouldn't go along with it.All Communism is, is community controlled means of production. With people giving according to their ability, and receiving according to their needs. Tyrants like Stalin ruled in state capitalism and called it communism.Geez, when you reduce complex ideologies down like that you can make almost anything sound appealing."All fascism is, is a disciplined and ordered society where criminality is non-existent"Implementing communism is a bit more complicated than 'community controlled means of production', and you know it. How many more botched attempts at true communism™ does it take for Marxists to realise that it simply fails at facilitating resources efficiently.
Quote from: Nixeris on February 15, 2018, 09:05:40 AMQuote from: Aether on February 14, 2018, 10:29:15 PMQuote from: Nixeris on February 14, 2018, 10:04:29 PMQuote from: Aether on February 14, 2018, 10:02:23 PMQuote from: Nixeris on February 14, 2018, 09:33:50 PMAnarcho-CommunistIsn't this like an oxymoron?No, it's a genuine and highly thought out ideology, I hope you aren't one of those "Socialism is when the government does stuff" types. As Communism, in it's truest form, is stateless.How is it possible to achieve true communism without the state intervening? Considering the fact that millions of people wouldn't go along with it.All Communism is, is community controlled means of production. With people giving according to their ability, and receiving according to their needs. Tyrants like Stalin ruled in state capitalism and called it communism.Geez, when you reduce complex ideologies down like that you can make almost anything sound appealing.
Quote from: Mordo on February 15, 2018, 10:55:09 AMQuote from: Nixeris on February 15, 2018, 09:05:40 AMQuote from: Aether on February 14, 2018, 10:29:15 PMQuote from: Nixeris on February 14, 2018, 10:04:29 PMQuote from: Aether on February 14, 2018, 10:02:23 PMQuote from: Nixeris on February 14, 2018, 09:33:50 PMAnarcho-CommunistIsn't this like an oxymoron?No, it's a genuine and highly thought out ideology, I hope you aren't one of those "Socialism is when the government does stuff" types. As Communism, in it's truest form, is stateless.How is it possible to achieve true communism without the state intervening? Considering the fact that millions of people wouldn't go along with it.All Communism is, is community controlled means of production. With people giving according to their ability, and receiving according to their needs. Tyrants like Stalin ruled in state capitalism and called it communism.Geez, when you reduce complex ideologies down like that you can make almost anything sound appealing.i challenge you to make capitalism sound appealing
Russia is a good country with a very fucked up government.Got exposed with corruption. Sued for invasion of privacy AND won the case!xDDDDgg, will win elections next month no problem.
Quote from: Verbatim on February 15, 2018, 11:21:54 AMQuote from: Mordo on February 15, 2018, 10:55:09 AMQuote from: Nixeris on February 15, 2018, 09:05:40 AMQuote from: Aether on February 14, 2018, 10:29:15 PMQuote from: Nixeris on February 14, 2018, 10:04:29 PMQuote from: Aether on February 14, 2018, 10:02:23 PMQuote from: Nixeris on February 14, 2018, 09:33:50 PMAnarcho-CommunistIsn't this like an oxymoron?No, it's a genuine and highly thought out ideology, I hope you aren't one of those "Socialism is when the government does stuff" types. As Communism, in it's truest form, is stateless.How is it possible to achieve true communism without the state intervening? Considering the fact that millions of people wouldn't go along with it.All Communism is, is community controlled means of production. With people giving according to their ability, and receiving according to their needs. Tyrants like Stalin ruled in state capitalism and called it communism.Geez, when you reduce complex ideologies down like that you can make almost anything sound appealing.i challenge you to make capitalism sound appealingI just bought a loaf of bread.
Quote from: DAS B00T x2 on February 15, 2018, 11:26:14 AMQuote from: Verbatim on February 15, 2018, 11:21:54 AMQuote from: Mordo on February 15, 2018, 10:55:09 AMQuote from: Nixeris on February 15, 2018, 09:05:40 AMQuote from: Aether on February 14, 2018, 10:29:15 PMQuote from: Nixeris on February 14, 2018, 10:04:29 PMQuote from: Aether on February 14, 2018, 10:02:23 PMQuote from: Nixeris on February 14, 2018, 09:33:50 PMAnarcho-CommunistIsn't this like an oxymoron?No, it's a genuine and highly thought out ideology, I hope you aren't one of those "Socialism is when the government does stuff" types. As Communism, in it's truest form, is stateless.How is it possible to achieve true communism without the state intervening? Considering the fact that millions of people wouldn't go along with it.All Communism is, is community controlled means of production. With people giving according to their ability, and receiving according to their needs. Tyrants like Stalin ruled in state capitalism and called it communism.Geez, when you reduce complex ideologies down like that you can make almost anything sound appealing.i challenge you to make capitalism sound appealingI just bought a loaf of bread.having to afford bread appeals to you?
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