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Anarcho-Communist
Isn't this like an oxymoron?

No, it's a genuine and highly thought out ideology, I hope you aren't one of those "Socialism is when the government does stuff" types. As Communism, in it's truest form, is stateless.
How is it possible to achieve true communism without the state intervening? Considering the fact that millions of people wouldn't go along with it.

All Communism is, is community controlled means of production. With people giving according to their ability, and receiving according to their needs. Tyrants like Stalin ruled in state capitalism and called it communism.
Yeah I understand that point, but I'm thinking practically here. If millions of people would reject that way of living, if they would refuse to accept and go along with it, then the state would have to force them to go along with it or force them out of society through tyranny.

tbh (and I'm not saying this is what you're doing, I don't know you well enough) I think any vision of utopia is directly pursued through naivety. Perhaps unless and until we discover an over-unity method of creating energy and in turn create over-abundance for our society. If we actually manage to reach the technological singularity, for instance, and it doesn't end up bringing about our extinction, then I think the pursuit of utopia might be more plausible. But only if, and this is a very huge if, (((human nature))) doesn't intervene again. After-all, people revel in danger and hardship. To so many, life is meaningless without struggle against something in some form. Without any struggle ever, I'm not certain a human can find meaning in living tbh. I'm just not wise enough to know and probably never will be.

The human nature argument always puzzled me, it's fairly obvious human nature is a result of surroundings, of nurture over nature for the most part, and so in a Capitalist society, people are selfish, as that is what the system rewards. Whereas a lot of people I know with anti-capitalist views are generally considerably kinder and more accepting/helpful.

I'm an Anarchist, and so I believe in abolishing the state, for freedom of all people, people telling you how to live and what to live for is an inherently oppressive thing. People want freedom.
"Capitalism" is a pure expression of human nature. There's a reason no other system ever lasts. Communism, fascism, whatever.

Some studies have shown that humans are actually significantly more empathetic and kind than you'd think. I don't agree that Capitalism is the only way.
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Ya fuckin' ganderneck.
I was actually kidding about all that leftism stuff im a facsist now. im racist
I mean you can totally be on the right and be against authoritarianism.


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I was actually kidding about all that leftism stuff im a facsist now. im racist
I mean you can totally be on the right and be against authoritarianism.
youre right. im ancap now


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I was actually kidding about all that leftism stuff im a facsist now. im racist
I mean you can totally be on the right and be against authoritarianism.
No such thing as right-wing dictatorship. Right-wing supports limited government.


 
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This is not the greatest sig in the world, no. This is just a tribute.
I was actually kidding about all that leftism stuff im a facsist now. im racist
I mean you can totally be on the right and be against authoritarianism.
youre right. im ancap now
Glad you've seen the light. Just don't see my light without paying for it or you'll violate the NAP.


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I was actually kidding about all that leftism stuff im a facsist now. im racist
I mean you can totally be on the right and be against authoritarianism.
No such thing as right-wing dictatorship. Right-wing supports limited government.

That's a gross oversimplification of the political spectrum, the right has always been for maintaining the status quo, the left has always been anti-status quo. The left has anti-authoritarian ideologies, such as Anarcho-Communism, Anarcho-Syndicalism, which are against all authority and the like, and the right has ideologies such as Anarcho-Capitalism, which is against government but for corporate control.


 
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I was actually kidding about all that leftism stuff im a facsist now. im racist
I mean you can totally be on the right and be against authoritarianism.
No such thing as right-wing dictatorship. Right-wing supports limited government.
That's a gross oversimplification of the political spectrum, the right has always been for maintaining the status quo, the left has always been anti-status quo. The left has anti-authoritarian ideologies, such as Anarcho-Communism, Anarcho-Syndicalism, which are against all authority and the like, and the right has ideologies such as Anarcho-Capitalism, which is against government but for corporate control.
we don't take this person seriously


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I was actually kidding about all that leftism stuff im a facsist now. im racist
I mean you can totally be on the right and be against authoritarianism.
No such thing as right-wing dictatorship. Right-wing supports limited government.

That's a gross oversimplification of the political spectrum, the right has always been for maintaining the status quo, the left has always been anti-status quo. The left has anti-authoritarian ideologies, such as Anarcho-Communism, Anarcho-Syndicalism, which are against all authority and the like, and the right has ideologies such as Anarcho-Capitalism, which is against government but for corporate control.
Corporatism is fascism and fascism is part of a planned economy. Planned economy is a part of socialism. Free market is all right-wing.


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I was actually kidding about all that leftism stuff im a facsist now. im racist
I mean you can totally be on the right and be against authoritarianism.
No such thing as right-wing dictatorship. Right-wing supports limited government.
That's a gross oversimplification of the political spectrum, the right has always been for maintaining the status quo, the left has always been anti-status quo. The left has anti-authoritarian ideologies, such as Anarcho-Communism, Anarcho-Syndicalism, which are against all authority and the like, and the right has ideologies such as Anarcho-Capitalism, which is against government but for corporate control.
The notion of a political spectrum in the current year is brainlet-fodder.

If you were to say the concept of a spectrum is a spook, I'd agree, however; when referring to the concepts of left and right it's the most accurate measurement.


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I was actually kidding about all that leftism stuff im a facsist now. im racist
I mean you can totally be on the right and be against authoritarianism.
No such thing as right-wing dictatorship. Right-wing supports limited government.
That's a gross oversimplification of the political spectrum, the right has always been for maintaining the status quo, the left has always been anti-status quo. The left has anti-authoritarian ideologies, such as Anarcho-Communism, Anarcho-Syndicalism, which are against all authority and the like, and the right has ideologies such as Anarcho-Capitalism, which is against government but for corporate control.
The notion of a political spectrum in the current year is brainlet-fodder.

If you were to say the concept of a spectrum is a spook
Firstly I'm going to have to tell you that you have an understanding of that phrase inconsistent with Stirner. Spooks dictate your behavior. The political spectrum is simply an anachronistic idea.

The notion of a coherent left-right spectrum outside of the context of revolutionary-era France is indefensible. The idea refers very specifically to the arrangement of the french national assembly. The factional arrangement itself was rejected by the so-called "right" who were generally opposed to the formation of political parties, they simply sat where they did to avoid jeers and autistic screeching from the "leftists" through safety in numbers.

Any use of the spectrum outside of this context is, again, brainletism.

Eh, it's more a meme to call everything a spook at this point, I have an understanding of the term in it's actual use though, yes.

That's a bit of an immature explanation of events there.


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Anarcho-Communist
Isn't this like an oxymoron?

No, it's a genuine and highly thought out ideology, I hope you aren't one of those "Socialism is when the government does stuff" types. As Communism, in it's truest form, is stateless.
How is it possible to achieve true communism without the state intervening? Considering the fact that millions of people wouldn't go along with it.

All Communism is, is community controlled means of production. With people giving according to their ability, and receiving according to their needs. Tyrants like Stalin ruled in state capitalism and called it communism.
Yeah I understand that point, but I'm thinking practically here. If millions of people would reject that way of living, if they would refuse to accept and go along with it, then the state would have to force them to go along with it or force them out of society through tyranny.

tbh (and I'm not saying this is what you're doing, I don't know you well enough) I think any vision of utopia is directly pursued through naivety. Perhaps unless and until we discover an over-unity method of creating energy and in turn create over-abundance for our society. If we actually manage to reach the technological singularity, for instance, and it doesn't end up bringing about our extinction, then I think the pursuit of utopia might be more plausible. But only if, and this is a very huge if, (((human nature))) doesn't intervene again. After-all, people revel in danger and hardship. To so many, life is meaningless without struggle against something in some form. Without any struggle ever, I'm not certain a human can find meaning in living tbh. I'm just not wise enough to know and probably never will be.

The human nature argument always puzzled me, it's fairly obvious human nature is a result of surroundings, of nurture over nature for the most part, and so in a Capitalist society, people are selfish, as that is what the system rewards. Whereas a lot of people I know with anti-capitalist views are generally considerably kinder and more accepting/helpful.

I'm an Anarchist, and so I believe in abolishing the state, for freedom of all people, people telling you how to live and what to live for is an inherently oppressive thing. People want freedom.
"Capitalism" is a pure expression of human nature. There's a reason no other system ever lasts. Communism, fascism, whatever.

Some studies have shown that humans are actually significantly more empathetic and kind than you'd think. I don't agree that Capitalism is the only way.
good luck with that nigga😂🙏

God bless 8)


 
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Goodness gracious, great balls of lightning!
i challenge you to make capitalism sound appealing
Pokemon exists because of Capitalism


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i challenge you to make capitalism sound appealing
Pokemon exists because of Capitalism
You wouldn't be on the internet complaining about capitalism without capitalism.


 
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i challenge you to make capitalism sound appealing
Pokemon exists because of Capitalism
No, it doesn't. It exists because some person in Japan had an idea, and nothing about communism, or any other economic system, prevents people from having ideas (it in fact promotes having ideas).


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i challenge you to make capitalism sound appealing
Pokemon exists because of Capitalism
No, it doesn't. It exists because some person in Japan had an idea, and nothing about communism, or any other economic system, prevents people from having ideas (it in fact promotes having ideas).

Late-stage capitalism is the reason you can sit around bitching about how much you hate it on a dead forum while being a complete and utter waste of human life.


 
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i challenge you to make capitalism sound appealing
Pokemon exists because of Capitalism
No, it doesn't. It exists because some person in Japan had an idea, and nothing about communism, or any other economic system, prevents people from having ideas (it in fact promotes having ideas).
Late-stage capitalism is the reason you can sit around bitching about how much you hate it on a dead forum while being a complete and utter waste of human life.
Nope, my first amendment rights actually have absolutely nothing to do with "late-stage capitalism."

That might actually be the most unrelated thing mentioned so far.

Try harder, but don't strain yourself.
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Garlemald did nothing wrong.
Yes because being able to afford bread means we have plenty of it and I can buy other shit with left over money because competitive markets keeps that bread's price super low. I for one enjoy going down the cereal aisle at my local Public and being able to choose whatever cereal I want from plenty of brands and types, based solely on my preference because the prices are so damn low I don't even need to contemplate it.

having to afford bread appeals to you?


 
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Yes because being able to afford bread means we have plenty of it
no

it doesn't

it literally means the exact opposite
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I for one enjoy going down the cereal aisle at my local Public and being able to choose whatever cereal I want from plenty of brands and types, based solely on my preference because the prices are so damn low I don't even need to contemplate it.
brand-name cereals are not exclusive to capitalism

F- again


 
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This is not the greatest sig in the world, no. This is just a tribute.
Yes because being able to afford bread means we have plenty of it and I can buy other shit with left over money because competitive markets keeps that bread's price super low. I for one enjoy going down the cereal aisle at my local Public and being able to choose whatever cereal I want from plenty of brands and types, based solely on my preference because the prices are so damn low I don't even need to contemplate it.

having to afford bread appeals to you?
shutup you faggot I was just making a Venezuela joke.


 
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i challenge you to make capitalism sound appealing
Pokemon exists because of Capitalism
No, it doesn't. It exists because some person in Japan had an idea, and nothing about communism, or any other economic system, prevents people from having ideas (it in fact promotes having ideas).

actually going to agree with verb on this one. if we're talking about the "perfect" communism there really is nothing preventing someone from making something like pokemon. in fact you could argue it would be better under that perfect communist system because you wouldn't have to make decisions based on what the majority of the market wants and can make decisions based on what you want to create. granted the video game "market" would be much different in this communist utopia as only those who are really dedicated to their craft will end up releasing the kinds of games at the same quality as what we currently have in our capitalist market and the majority of titles would probably end up like all those half finished patreon messes that litter the indie scene these days. it's certainly interesting to think about a scenario where the gaming "industry" is creating substantially fewer quality titles than its capitalist counterpart but the few titles it does produce are much more unique.

if you're going to argue against communism with verb i think you should argue whether or not this communist utopia is realistically achievable and not whether or not the things he likes can be produced in it.
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Garlemald did nothing wrong.
I'm not seeing a mass hysteria over bread shortages here in Capitalist America.

What I am seeing is hysteria over toilet paper and juice box shortages in Venezuela which wants to redistribute them in the same way communism would.

it literally means the exact opposite


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in fact you could argue it would be better under that perfect communist system because you wouldn't have to make decisions based on what the majority of the market wants and can make decisions based on what you want to create.
I don't see how, as there are games made in our capitalist system are not all casual catering EA/Bungie trash.


 
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in fact you could argue it would be better under that perfect communist system because you wouldn't have to make decisions based on what the majority of the market wants and can make decisions based on what you want to create.
I don't see how, as there are games made in our capitalist system are not all casual catering EA/Bungie trash.
he wasn't saying that they don't exist

there would just be more of them


 
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I'm not seeing a mass hysteria over bread shortages here in Capitalist America.
but you are seeing a nation where you can't live a comfortable life without working to afford the resources you need to survive

which is worse


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Long live NoNolesNeckin.

Ya fuckin' ganderneck.
but you are seeing a nation where you can't live a comfortable life without working to afford the resources you need to survive

which is worse
You, at least, aren't one to suggest that life would be better without work at all, are you?


 
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but you are seeing a nation where you can't live a comfortable life without working to afford the resources you need to survive

which is worse
You, at least, aren't one to suggest that life would be better without work at all, are you?
to reiterate nix: from each according to his ability, to each according to his need

the fact of the matter is that some people just aren't cut out for work, which will only become increasingly true with the advent of automation

if you work at all, your incentive for doing so should not be monetary compensation, it should be the knowledge that you're contributing something useful to your society, whether it be food, entertainment, or some other good or service

everyone works for each other

cooperation


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I'm not seeing a mass hysteria over bread shortages here in Capitalist America.
but you are seeing a nation where you can't live a comfortable life without working to afford the resources you need to survive

which is worse
you'd need to work in a socialist society as well. the difference would be better conditions and that the worker would not be alienated from the fruits of their labor. everyone needs to do their part in a communist society. however, if you personally have some issue that prevents you from participating in the "normal" workforce then that's something that would certainly be addressed better in an ideal socialist system.

edit: ok thankfully you acknowledged this