Quote from: XxNuKeZxX on January 22, 2015, 03:21:22 AMIf you've never done heroin then how do you know? Because I understand, at least vaguely, how addiction works at the level of the brain. The reason it is an addiction is because it motivates people to behave in ways they wouldn't otherwise do while not ill in the fashion that they are.
If you've never done heroin then how do you know?
I'm not fucking ignorant, I was just making a jab at Slash. Yeah, you guys jumped on me.I didn't think I'd have to fucking debate my entire reasoning for things.
Quote from: aTALLmidget on January 22, 2015, 03:24:02 AMQuote from: XxNuKeZxX on January 22, 2015, 03:21:53 AMQuote from: aTALLmidget on January 22, 2015, 03:21:17 AMQuote from: XxNuKeZxX on January 22, 2015, 03:16:21 AMQuote from: aTALLmidget on January 22, 2015, 03:14:30 AMQuote from: XxNuKeZxX on January 22, 2015, 02:25:26 AMQuote from: / on January 22, 2015, 02:22:22 AMQuote from: XxNuKeZxX on January 22, 2015, 02:19:04 AMQuote from: DemonicChronic on January 22, 2015, 02:16:40 AMQuote from: XxNuKeZxX on January 22, 2015, 02:08:06 AMThere's a surprise.Anyways, no. Like Verby says, I'm not a moron.You don't have to be a moron to fall prey to addiction. Thinking that such is simply a matter of stupidity is naive.It's called not doing drugs, m8.Were it only that simple. It's not a black and white issue.You're the one trying to ruin your brain man, not me.Smoking some weed or tobacco or drinking a little alcohol does NOT ruin your brainThat's not what Slash has been fucking around with the past few days.I don't know or care what he's been "fucking around with" for the past few days, I've done other drugs as well. It hasn't fucked me over. Example? I'm a certified goddamn EMT.Okay well great, then you know what you're doing.Yeah, it doesn't mean Slash doesn't know what he's doing, either. Hell, even if he doesn't know what he's doing, it's definitely a learning opportunity. Learning things the hard way is sometimes the best. But I don't know what he's involved in, so I can't give a proper opinion.I have zero tolerance for non medical drugs that aren't legal outside of weed. It doesn't matter if you think you know what you're doing or not, if you get fucked up then it's your fault.
Quote from: XxNuKeZxX on January 22, 2015, 03:21:53 AMQuote from: aTALLmidget on January 22, 2015, 03:21:17 AMQuote from: XxNuKeZxX on January 22, 2015, 03:16:21 AMQuote from: aTALLmidget on January 22, 2015, 03:14:30 AMQuote from: XxNuKeZxX on January 22, 2015, 02:25:26 AMQuote from: / on January 22, 2015, 02:22:22 AMQuote from: XxNuKeZxX on January 22, 2015, 02:19:04 AMQuote from: DemonicChronic on January 22, 2015, 02:16:40 AMQuote from: XxNuKeZxX on January 22, 2015, 02:08:06 AMThere's a surprise.Anyways, no. Like Verby says, I'm not a moron.You don't have to be a moron to fall prey to addiction. Thinking that such is simply a matter of stupidity is naive.It's called not doing drugs, m8.Were it only that simple. It's not a black and white issue.You're the one trying to ruin your brain man, not me.Smoking some weed or tobacco or drinking a little alcohol does NOT ruin your brainThat's not what Slash has been fucking around with the past few days.I don't know or care what he's been "fucking around with" for the past few days, I've done other drugs as well. It hasn't fucked me over. Example? I'm a certified goddamn EMT.Okay well great, then you know what you're doing.Yeah, it doesn't mean Slash doesn't know what he's doing, either. Hell, even if he doesn't know what he's doing, it's definitely a learning opportunity. Learning things the hard way is sometimes the best. But I don't know what he's involved in, so I can't give a proper opinion.
Quote from: aTALLmidget on January 22, 2015, 03:21:17 AMQuote from: XxNuKeZxX on January 22, 2015, 03:16:21 AMQuote from: aTALLmidget on January 22, 2015, 03:14:30 AMQuote from: XxNuKeZxX on January 22, 2015, 02:25:26 AMQuote from: / on January 22, 2015, 02:22:22 AMQuote from: XxNuKeZxX on January 22, 2015, 02:19:04 AMQuote from: DemonicChronic on January 22, 2015, 02:16:40 AMQuote from: XxNuKeZxX on January 22, 2015, 02:08:06 AMThere's a surprise.Anyways, no. Like Verby says, I'm not a moron.You don't have to be a moron to fall prey to addiction. Thinking that such is simply a matter of stupidity is naive.It's called not doing drugs, m8.Were it only that simple. It's not a black and white issue.You're the one trying to ruin your brain man, not me.Smoking some weed or tobacco or drinking a little alcohol does NOT ruin your brainThat's not what Slash has been fucking around with the past few days.I don't know or care what he's been "fucking around with" for the past few days, I've done other drugs as well. It hasn't fucked me over. Example? I'm a certified goddamn EMT.Okay well great, then you know what you're doing.
Quote from: XxNuKeZxX on January 22, 2015, 03:16:21 AMQuote from: aTALLmidget on January 22, 2015, 03:14:30 AMQuote from: XxNuKeZxX on January 22, 2015, 02:25:26 AMQuote from: / on January 22, 2015, 02:22:22 AMQuote from: XxNuKeZxX on January 22, 2015, 02:19:04 AMQuote from: DemonicChronic on January 22, 2015, 02:16:40 AMQuote from: XxNuKeZxX on January 22, 2015, 02:08:06 AMThere's a surprise.Anyways, no. Like Verby says, I'm not a moron.You don't have to be a moron to fall prey to addiction. Thinking that such is simply a matter of stupidity is naive.It's called not doing drugs, m8.Were it only that simple. It's not a black and white issue.You're the one trying to ruin your brain man, not me.Smoking some weed or tobacco or drinking a little alcohol does NOT ruin your brainThat's not what Slash has been fucking around with the past few days.I don't know or care what he's been "fucking around with" for the past few days, I've done other drugs as well. It hasn't fucked me over. Example? I'm a certified goddamn EMT.
Quote from: aTALLmidget on January 22, 2015, 03:14:30 AMQuote from: XxNuKeZxX on January 22, 2015, 02:25:26 AMQuote from: / on January 22, 2015, 02:22:22 AMQuote from: XxNuKeZxX on January 22, 2015, 02:19:04 AMQuote from: DemonicChronic on January 22, 2015, 02:16:40 AMQuote from: XxNuKeZxX on January 22, 2015, 02:08:06 AMThere's a surprise.Anyways, no. Like Verby says, I'm not a moron.You don't have to be a moron to fall prey to addiction. Thinking that such is simply a matter of stupidity is naive.It's called not doing drugs, m8.Were it only that simple. It's not a black and white issue.You're the one trying to ruin your brain man, not me.Smoking some weed or tobacco or drinking a little alcohol does NOT ruin your brainThat's not what Slash has been fucking around with the past few days.
Quote from: XxNuKeZxX on January 22, 2015, 02:25:26 AMQuote from: / on January 22, 2015, 02:22:22 AMQuote from: XxNuKeZxX on January 22, 2015, 02:19:04 AMQuote from: DemonicChronic on January 22, 2015, 02:16:40 AMQuote from: XxNuKeZxX on January 22, 2015, 02:08:06 AMThere's a surprise.Anyways, no. Like Verby says, I'm not a moron.You don't have to be a moron to fall prey to addiction. Thinking that such is simply a matter of stupidity is naive.It's called not doing drugs, m8.Were it only that simple. It's not a black and white issue.You're the one trying to ruin your brain man, not me.Smoking some weed or tobacco or drinking a little alcohol does NOT ruin your brain
Quote from: / on January 22, 2015, 02:22:22 AMQuote from: XxNuKeZxX on January 22, 2015, 02:19:04 AMQuote from: DemonicChronic on January 22, 2015, 02:16:40 AMQuote from: XxNuKeZxX on January 22, 2015, 02:08:06 AMThere's a surprise.Anyways, no. Like Verby says, I'm not a moron.You don't have to be a moron to fall prey to addiction. Thinking that such is simply a matter of stupidity is naive.It's called not doing drugs, m8.Were it only that simple. It's not a black and white issue.You're the one trying to ruin your brain man, not me.
Quote from: XxNuKeZxX on January 22, 2015, 02:19:04 AMQuote from: DemonicChronic on January 22, 2015, 02:16:40 AMQuote from: XxNuKeZxX on January 22, 2015, 02:08:06 AMThere's a surprise.Anyways, no. Like Verby says, I'm not a moron.You don't have to be a moron to fall prey to addiction. Thinking that such is simply a matter of stupidity is naive.It's called not doing drugs, m8.Were it only that simple. It's not a black and white issue.
Quote from: DemonicChronic on January 22, 2015, 02:16:40 AMQuote from: XxNuKeZxX on January 22, 2015, 02:08:06 AMThere's a surprise.Anyways, no. Like Verby says, I'm not a moron.You don't have to be a moron to fall prey to addiction. Thinking that such is simply a matter of stupidity is naive.It's called not doing drugs, m8.
Quote from: XxNuKeZxX on January 22, 2015, 02:08:06 AMThere's a surprise.Anyways, no. Like Verby says, I'm not a moron.You don't have to be a moron to fall prey to addiction. Thinking that such is simply a matter of stupidity is naive.
There's a surprise.Anyways, no. Like Verby says, I'm not a moron.
How the fuck are they addicted if they've never had it before?
Quote from: XxNuKeZxX on January 22, 2015, 03:23:04 AMI'm not fucking ignorant, I was just making a jab at Slash. Yeah, you guys jumped on me.I didn't think I'd have to fucking debate my entire reasoning for things.Everyone is ignorant, friend. And your initial statement was definitely ignorant. That's what these thugs who 'jumped' you have been trying to show you for the bulk of this thread.Maybe you're just cursing because you want to, but you appear to be angry. You don't have to be.
Quote from: XxNuKeZxX on January 22, 2015, 03:26:18 AMHow the fuck are they addicted if they've never had it before?They could be addicted to another drug and find themselves in a situation where heroin is involved.
But, let's take the perfect counter-factual. Somebody who's never touched a drug, and not addicted to any other substance. If you accept that the behaviour behind addiction is in some way determined by genetics and neurology, I see no reason why that shouldn't hold for the 'first move' of taking any drug in the first place. As with the previous example, why did Ted Bundy kill his first victim instead of just not doing that? He was essentially predisposed to act in that manner, as people with 'addiction complexes' are predisposed to behaviours which would make the initial move into a state of addiction.
Sure, I'm steamed. I'm not afraid to admit that. You can throw around your mumbo jump philosophy all you want but it doesn't change the fact that I was just making a jab and wasn't expecting this to blow up the way it did,
Quote from: XxNuKeZxX on January 22, 2015, 03:31:56 AMSure, I'm steamed. I'm not afraid to admit that. You can throw around your mumbo jump philosophy all you want but it doesn't change the fact that I was just making a jab and wasn't expecting this to blow up the way it did,I mean it was a pretty ignorant statement. People are passionate about this stuff. I can see that Meta is particularly passionate.If you weren't serious when you said it you should have just been like idgaf and went about your business. It's a simple tactic and very effective.
Explain to me how someone who had never taken something before could possibly be addicted to it already.
I can see that Meta is particularly passionate.
Quote from: XxNuKeZxX on January 22, 2015, 03:34:39 AM Explain to me how someone who had never taken something before could possibly be addicted to it already.Not quite. The point is that people predisposed to addiction are also predisposed to make choices which would lead to that state of addiction. There are a whole host of behavioural 'variables' involved in addiction--impulse control, for one--which come together to increase the probability of a person taking an addictive drug in the first place. It's just a necessary regression--people predisposed to addiction are also predisposed to doing things which would lead to that state of addiction.
Quote from: DemonicChronic on January 22, 2015, 03:36:35 AMQuote from: XxNuKeZxX on January 22, 2015, 03:31:56 AMSure, I'm steamed. I'm not afraid to admit that. You can throw around your mumbo jump philosophy all you want but it doesn't change the fact that I was just making a jab and wasn't expecting this to blow up the way it did,I mean it was a pretty ignorant statement. People are passionate about this stuff. I can see that Meta is particularly passionate.If you weren't serious when you said it you should have just been like idgaf and went about your business. It's a simple tactic and very effective.Okay, well I don't care about you you have to say past this point then.What's in the past is done and I can't change that.
Gotta love people freaking out for what others do in their own personal lives. You have no grounds to judge another man for the way he chooses to live.
So you're saying I should have sympathy for a feeble minded psychopath who needs to go out and buy heroin, and not because he's making a stupid choice
Quote from: SecondClass on January 22, 2015, 03:40:47 AMGotta love people freaking out for what others do in their own personal lives. You have no grounds to judge another man for the way he chooses to live.If you want to abuse drugs then that's fine, it's your deal. I'm just going to think it's kind of dumb of you.I'm not here to stop anyone.
Quote from: XxNuKeZxX on January 22, 2015, 03:39:56 AMSo you're saying I should have sympathy for a feeble minded psychopath who needs to go out and buy heroin, and not because he's making a stupid choiceI'm saying you should have an understanding that people who act in certain ways are predisposed (I'm purposely ignoring the word 'pre-determined') to act in that manner. You don't need to care or turn into a bleeding-heart for people who get addicted to drugs, and you don't need to feel sorry for the psychopath who murders 20 people, but holding the fact in your mind that they--essentially--can't help themselves is not only a, I think, healthier way of looking at humanity, but incredibly liberating for yourself as well. If you agree that what people do in the grip of addiction is a medical condition, irrational and not subject to the normal conventions of personal autonomy and its consequences then you must necessarily agree the same is true for the behaviour leading up to the addiction.
If they're really that uncontrollable then they're probably not very intelligent or fit for society in the first place anyway, honestly.
Quote from: XxNuKeZxX on January 22, 2015, 03:43:00 AMQuote from: SecondClass on January 22, 2015, 03:40:47 AMGotta love people freaking out for what others do in their own personal lives. You have no grounds to judge another man for the way he chooses to live.If you want to abuse drugs then that's fine, it's your deal. I'm just going to think it's kind of dumb of you.I'm not here to stop anyone.Life is about the amount of happiness you experience on a gross scale, and while I'm not advocating the use of hard drugs, drug users tend to have more memorable times than straight edges. But I can see why you'd call it dumb, as well.
Quote from: XxNuKeZxX on January 22, 2015, 03:47:48 AMIf they're really that uncontrollable then they're probably not very intelligent or fit for society in the first place anyway, honestly.I'd agree that murderous psychopaths aren't fit for society, of course, but predisposition is not a life sentence. You can 'educate' people out of addiction and help them to become more productive--of course, it won't work for some--but the key is not to condemn them as stupid in the first instance. I agree with you that drug users probably tend not to be very intelligent, but their actions aren't totally a result of how knowledgeable or learned they are.
Dont want to get pregnant?Dont have sex!-Nuka
I'm not a moron.
Quote from: Verbatim on January 22, 2015, 02:06:26 AMI'm not a moron.^^^
Quote from: Bacon's Shelf on January 22, 2015, 03:58:37 AMQuote from: Verbatim on January 22, 2015, 02:06:26 AMI'm not a moron.^^^Yeah, apparently you're not allowed to say that here.
Quote from: XxNuKeZxX on January 22, 2015, 03:59:43 AMQuote from: Bacon's Shelf on January 22, 2015, 03:58:37 AMQuote from: Verbatim on January 22, 2015, 02:06:26 AMI'm not a moron.^^^Yeah, apparently you're not allowed to say that here.Well I just did. By I, I mean using verb's post to explain my attitude towards the matter.
Also, I'm sorry if disputing you makes me a prick, Nuka. I don't make it a priority of mine to piss you off.
has anyone on this site had problems with substance abuse?
