One time I was prescribed on antibiotics.
Quote from: XxNuKeZxX on January 22, 2015, 02:56:31 AMQuote from: DemonicChronic on January 22, 2015, 02:55:31 AMQuote from: XxNuKeZxX on January 22, 2015, 02:54:47 AMYou do realize that sentence was taken out of context, right? I'm talking about medical drugs.That's fine but you still haven't answered by question.If you fucked up with medical drugs because you either diagnosed yourself or didn't follow your doctor's directions properly and became dependent, then yes.So you're essentially telling me that you believe that someone who was weak willed is an idiot in the specific instance where they attempted to diagnose themselves/did not follow instructions and fell prey to addition.But that doesn't tell me whether or not you feel that such a person is a moron because of their self diagnosis or because of the fact that they are weak willed.
Quote from: DemonicChronic on January 22, 2015, 02:55:31 AMQuote from: XxNuKeZxX on January 22, 2015, 02:54:47 AMYou do realize that sentence was taken out of context, right? I'm talking about medical drugs.That's fine but you still haven't answered by question.If you fucked up with medical drugs because you either diagnosed yourself or didn't follow your doctor's directions properly and became dependent, then yes.
Quote from: XxNuKeZxX on January 22, 2015, 02:54:47 AMYou do realize that sentence was taken out of context, right? I'm talking about medical drugs.That's fine but you still haven't answered by question.
You do realize that sentence was taken out of context, right? I'm talking about medical drugs.
Quote from: DemonicChronic on January 22, 2015, 02:39:32 AMQuote from: XxNuKeZxX on January 22, 2015, 02:33:27 AMI said defensive, not offensive. That. . . was a typo.QuoteQuoteI know you used to smoke weed, and the way you jumped on me when Slash has pretty obviously been playing around with dangerous substances the past few days kind of shows some defensiveness there.Regardless of what you might perceive. I'm not angry. I've had this discussion many many times before with people simply because It interests me.I'm not sure why you felt like I jumped on you, perhaps I was too offensive in saying that you were acting naive? It's w/e.Again. I only responded to this thread the way I did because I know that Slash has been abusing dangerous substances the past few days.Even though I fuck around with Camnator, I don't have issues with things like weed, tobacco, and alcohol in reasonable amounts. However I have little to no tolerance for just about everything else. Medical drugs weren't really something I thought about when I posted that, and the only time I'd be sympathetic is if someone ended up dependent after being prescribed by a doctor. Anything else is your own goddamn fault because you were being an idiot.
Quote from: XxNuKeZxX on January 22, 2015, 02:33:27 AMI said defensive, not offensive. That. . . was a typo.QuoteQuoteI know you used to smoke weed, and the way you jumped on me when Slash has pretty obviously been playing around with dangerous substances the past few days kind of shows some defensiveness there.Regardless of what you might perceive. I'm not angry. I've had this discussion many many times before with people simply because It interests me.I'm not sure why you felt like I jumped on you, perhaps I was too offensive in saying that you were acting naive? It's w/e.
I said defensive, not offensive.
QuoteI know you used to smoke weed, and the way you jumped on me when Slash has pretty obviously been playing around with dangerous substances the past few days kind of shows some defensiveness there.Regardless of what you might perceive. I'm not angry. I've had this discussion many many times before with people simply because It interests me.
I know you used to smoke weed, and the way you jumped on me when Slash has pretty obviously been playing around with dangerous substances the past few days kind of shows some defensiveness there.
I'll show an example:One time I was prescribed on antibiotics. I was irresponsible and stopped taking them when it felt like I didn't need them anymore instead of finishing the entire bottle like I was supposed to. Needless to say, the infection came back stronger and I had to start over on stronger antibiotics.Because I decided to be an idiot and go against the doctor's directions.
so the base of your argument is, "if you didnt want to get addicted, you shouldnt have taken drugs"?
Quote from: Comet on January 22, 2015, 03:05:35 AMso the base of your argument is, "if you didnt want to get addicted, you shouldnt have taken drugs"?if you're messing around with stupid and dangerous shit....yes?
Because of the self diagnosis. If you read how I responded to Velox then you'd know that I have sympathy for the weak willed.
Quote from: XxNuKeZxX on January 22, 2015, 03:02:52 AMI'll show an example:One time I was prescribed on antibiotics. I was irresponsible and stopped taking them when it felt like I didn't need them anymore instead of finishing the entire bottle like I was supposed to. Needless to say, the infection came back stronger and I had to start over on stronger antibiotics.Because I decided to be an idiot and go against the doctor's directions.Becoming addicted to a drug =/= thinking you know better than a doctor.
And as far as pharmaceutical drugs go, that's the fault of the medical industry these days. I genuinely believe that they make people dependent so that they keep buying more. That entire industry has proven to be one of the more fucked up and corrupt parts of our corporate society. (Look at things like patents on chemical compounds for medical drugs. It's ridiculous.)
Quote from: True Velox on January 22, 2015, 02:45:46 AMI wasn't really addicted, I took the required doses on time and stopped when I was supposed to. I guess that I was technically addicted! but it didn't control me. I can see how someone could become addicted in a similar situation, though. If someone has a habit of drinking alcohol or smoking (as many of my classmates had at the time, despite being underage), falling prey to medical grade drugs is probably more likely. I just felt physically bad, but I just wanted it to go over rather than continuing to take pills.I wasn't saying that you got addicted, but that I can see and understand why it could lead to that. Good on you for not letting it control you.
I wasn't really addicted, I took the required doses on time and stopped when I was supposed to. I guess that I was technically addicted! but it didn't control me. I can see how someone could become addicted in a similar situation, though. If someone has a habit of drinking alcohol or smoking (as many of my classmates had at the time, despite being underage), falling prey to medical grade drugs is probably more likely. I just felt physically bad, but I just wanted it to go over rather than continuing to take pills.
Quote from: / on January 22, 2015, 02:58:26 AMQuote from: XxNuKeZxX on January 22, 2015, 02:56:31 AMQuote from: DemonicChronic on January 22, 2015, 02:55:31 AMQuote from: XxNuKeZxX on January 22, 2015, 02:54:47 AMYou do realize that sentence was taken out of context, right? I'm talking about medical drugs.That's fine but you still haven't answered by question.If you fucked up with medical drugs because you either diagnosed yourself or didn't follow your doctor's directions properly and became dependent, then yes.So you are saying that people that are weak willed are also idiots?I'm saying you're an idiot if you didn't take medical drugs properly. If you succumb to a weak will then that's another issue entirely.
Quote from: XxNuKeZxX on January 22, 2015, 02:56:31 AMQuote from: DemonicChronic on January 22, 2015, 02:55:31 AMQuote from: XxNuKeZxX on January 22, 2015, 02:54:47 AMYou do realize that sentence was taken out of context, right? I'm talking about medical drugs.That's fine but you still haven't answered by question.If you fucked up with medical drugs because you either diagnosed yourself or didn't follow your doctor's directions properly and became dependent, then yes.So you are saying that people that are weak willed are also idiots?
Quote from: DemonicChronic on January 22, 2015, 03:03:01 AMSo you're essentially telling me that you believe that someone who was weak willed is an idiot in the specific instance where they attempted to diagnose themselves/did not follow instructions and fell prey to addition.But that doesn't tell me whether or not you feel that such a person is a moron because of their self diagnosis or because of the fact that they are weak willed.Because of the self diagnosis. If you read how I responded to Velox then you'd know that I have sympathy for the weak willed.
So you're essentially telling me that you believe that someone who was weak willed is an idiot in the specific instance where they attempted to diagnose themselves/did not follow instructions and fell prey to addition.But that doesn't tell me whether or not you feel that such a person is a moron because of their self diagnosis or because of the fact that they are weak willed.
Quote from: XxNuKeZxX on January 22, 2015, 03:04:19 AMBecause of the self diagnosis. If you read how I responded to Velox then you'd know that I have sympathy for the weak willed.I'm sorry I had too many notifications at once to read the entire thread. Your last post conveyed your point much batter.Making poor decisions is foolish obviously, but it's still a much more complicated matter than that.We are as we are conditioned to be. By our genes, our environment, influence from our peers, media. The foundations of addiction are rooted in one's personality/mentality. Something that is very complicated and even has uncontrollable physical variables. To say that it's simply a matter of the lack of intelligence is just plain ignorant. Such a black and white response ignores so many variables.
Quote from: XxRocketsnipez420xX on January 22, 2015, 03:00:19 AMQuote from: Nexus on January 22, 2015, 02:39:14 AMQuote from: Comet on January 22, 2015, 02:36:44 AMno, thankfully.Wow, someone said no without being an asshole.actually, most of this thread did that.Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhut the fuck up.
Quote from: Nexus on January 22, 2015, 02:39:14 AMQuote from: Comet on January 22, 2015, 02:36:44 AMno, thankfully.Wow, someone said no without being an asshole.actually, most of this thread did that.
Quote from: Comet on January 22, 2015, 02:36:44 AMno, thankfully.Wow, someone said no without being an asshole.
no, thankfully.
Quote from: / on January 22, 2015, 02:22:22 AMQuote from: XxNuKeZxX on January 22, 2015, 02:19:04 AMQuote from: DemonicChronic on January 22, 2015, 02:16:40 AMQuote from: XxNuKeZxX on January 22, 2015, 02:08:06 AMThere's a surprise.Anyways, no. Like Verby says, I'm not a moron.You don't have to be a moron to fall prey to addiction. Thinking that such is simply a matter of stupidity is naive.It's called not doing drugs, m8.Were it only that simple. It's not a black and white issue.You're the one trying to ruin your brain man, not me.
Quote from: XxNuKeZxX on January 22, 2015, 02:19:04 AMQuote from: DemonicChronic on January 22, 2015, 02:16:40 AMQuote from: XxNuKeZxX on January 22, 2015, 02:08:06 AMThere's a surprise.Anyways, no. Like Verby says, I'm not a moron.You don't have to be a moron to fall prey to addiction. Thinking that such is simply a matter of stupidity is naive.It's called not doing drugs, m8.Were it only that simple. It's not a black and white issue.
Quote from: DemonicChronic on January 22, 2015, 02:16:40 AMQuote from: XxNuKeZxX on January 22, 2015, 02:08:06 AMThere's a surprise.Anyways, no. Like Verby says, I'm not a moron.You don't have to be a moron to fall prey to addiction. Thinking that such is simply a matter of stupidity is naive.It's called not doing drugs, m8.
Quote from: XxNuKeZxX on January 22, 2015, 02:08:06 AMThere's a surprise.Anyways, no. Like Verby says, I'm not a moron.You don't have to be a moron to fall prey to addiction. Thinking that such is simply a matter of stupidity is naive.
There's a surprise.Anyways, no. Like Verby says, I'm not a moron.
Quote from: XxNuKeZxX on January 22, 2015, 03:06:35 AMQuote from: Comet on January 22, 2015, 03:05:35 AMso the base of your argument is, "if you didnt want to get addicted, you shouldnt have taken drugs"?if you're messing around with stupid and dangerous shit....yes?"if you didnt want to [get raped], you shouldnt have [worn slutty clothes]"do you see the problem?
People on this forum are way to defensive for their stupid drugs.
Quote from: XxNuKeZxX on January 22, 2015, 02:25:26 AMQuote from: / on January 22, 2015, 02:22:22 AMQuote from: XxNuKeZxX on January 22, 2015, 02:19:04 AMQuote from: DemonicChronic on January 22, 2015, 02:16:40 AMQuote from: XxNuKeZxX on January 22, 2015, 02:08:06 AMThere's a surprise.Anyways, no. Like Verby says, I'm not a moron.You don't have to be a moron to fall prey to addiction. Thinking that such is simply a matter of stupidity is naive.It's called not doing drugs, m8.Were it only that simple. It's not a black and white issue.You're the one trying to ruin your brain man, not me.Smoking some weed or tobacco or drinking a little alcohol does NOT ruin your brain
Quote from: XxNuKeZxX on January 22, 2015, 03:13:36 AMPeople on this forum are way to defensive for their stupid drugs.That isn't what people are even doing. Lol. You should just stop posting.
failing to follow directions properly.
Shit like heroin? Not even once. Don't fucking do it if you don't want to ruin your life.
That's like telling psychopaths not to be impulsive, or trans people to just not get gender dysphoria. It's not a case of free will, here, the causes of people becoming addicted to drugs--and, yes, taking them in the first place--is reducible to neurocognitive activity in the brain, over which we have no control. What I mean is that, essentially, addiction to a certain substance is indicative of neurological imbalances.
Yeah, hi. I'm only talking about self diagnoses and failing to follow directions properly.In those cases you're an idiot and you fucked up.People on this forum are way to defensive for their stupid drugs.
Quote from: aTALLmidget on January 22, 2015, 03:14:30 AMQuote from: XxNuKeZxX on January 22, 2015, 02:25:26 AMQuote from: / on January 22, 2015, 02:22:22 AMQuote from: XxNuKeZxX on January 22, 2015, 02:19:04 AMQuote from: DemonicChronic on January 22, 2015, 02:16:40 AMQuote from: XxNuKeZxX on January 22, 2015, 02:08:06 AMThere's a surprise.Anyways, no. Like Verby says, I'm not a moron.You don't have to be a moron to fall prey to addiction. Thinking that such is simply a matter of stupidity is naive.It's called not doing drugs, m8.Were it only that simple. It's not a black and white issue.You're the one trying to ruin your brain man, not me.Smoking some weed or tobacco or drinking a little alcohol does NOT ruin your brainThat's not what Slash has been fucking around with the past few days.
Quote from: XxNuKeZxX on January 22, 2015, 03:14:59 AMShit like heroin? Not even once. Don't fucking do it if you don't want to ruin your life.QuoteThat's like telling psychopaths not to be impulsive, or trans people to just not get gender dysphoria. It's not a case of free will, here, the causes of people becoming addicted to drugs--and, yes, taking them in the first place--is reducible to neurocognitive activity in the brain, over which we have no control. What I mean is that, essentially, addiction to a certain substance is indicative of neurological imbalances.
Quote from: XxNuKeZxX on January 22, 2015, 03:16:21 AMQuote from: aTALLmidget on January 22, 2015, 03:14:30 AMQuote from: XxNuKeZxX on January 22, 2015, 02:25:26 AMQuote from: / on January 22, 2015, 02:22:22 AMQuote from: XxNuKeZxX on January 22, 2015, 02:19:04 AMQuote from: DemonicChronic on January 22, 2015, 02:16:40 AMQuote from: XxNuKeZxX on January 22, 2015, 02:08:06 AMThere's a surprise.Anyways, no. Like Verby says, I'm not a moron.You don't have to be a moron to fall prey to addiction. Thinking that such is simply a matter of stupidity is naive.It's called not doing drugs, m8.Were it only that simple. It's not a black and white issue.You're the one trying to ruin your brain man, not me.Smoking some weed or tobacco or drinking a little alcohol does NOT ruin your brainThat's not what Slash has been fucking around with the past few days.I don't know or care what he's been "fucking around with" for the past few days, I've done other drugs as well. It hasn't fucked me over. Example? I'm a certified goddamn EMT.
Quote from: XxNuKeZxX on January 22, 2015, 03:13:36 AMYeah, hi. I'm only talking about self diagnoses and failing to follow directions properly.In those cases you're an idiot and you fucked up.People on this forum are way to defensive for their stupid drugs.I'm sorry, that isn't what you initially implied at all. Your first post in this thread only stated that those who abused a substance were morons.If don't want people to take what you're saying the wrong way then you need to clarify better. Yes, you stated that you felt substance abuse was moronic in regards to self diagnosis or not following instructions, but that doesn't negate what you first implied. It was still entirely plausible that you felt substance abuse as a whole was moronic.If you feel like you've been jumped on, I'm sorry. I'm not angry. Maybe others are. But that can be expected when you state something out of ignorance.
Quote from: aTALLmidget on January 22, 2015, 03:21:17 AMQuote from: XxNuKeZxX on January 22, 2015, 03:16:21 AMQuote from: aTALLmidget on January 22, 2015, 03:14:30 AMQuote from: XxNuKeZxX on January 22, 2015, 02:25:26 AMQuote from: / on January 22, 2015, 02:22:22 AMQuote from: XxNuKeZxX on January 22, 2015, 02:19:04 AMQuote from: DemonicChronic on January 22, 2015, 02:16:40 AMQuote from: XxNuKeZxX on January 22, 2015, 02:08:06 AMThere's a surprise.Anyways, no. Like Verby says, I'm not a moron.You don't have to be a moron to fall prey to addiction. Thinking that such is simply a matter of stupidity is naive.It's called not doing drugs, m8.Were it only that simple. It's not a black and white issue.You're the one trying to ruin your brain man, not me.Smoking some weed or tobacco or drinking a little alcohol does NOT ruin your brainThat's not what Slash has been fucking around with the past few days.I don't know or care what he's been "fucking around with" for the past few days, I've done other drugs as well. It hasn't fucked me over. Example? I'm a certified goddamn EMT.Okay well great, then you know what you're doing.
Quote from: XxNuKeZxX on January 22, 2015, 03:21:53 AMQuote from: aTALLmidget on January 22, 2015, 03:21:17 AMQuote from: XxNuKeZxX on January 22, 2015, 03:16:21 AMQuote from: aTALLmidget on January 22, 2015, 03:14:30 AMQuote from: XxNuKeZxX on January 22, 2015, 02:25:26 AMQuote from: / on January 22, 2015, 02:22:22 AMQuote from: XxNuKeZxX on January 22, 2015, 02:19:04 AMQuote from: DemonicChronic on January 22, 2015, 02:16:40 AMQuote from: XxNuKeZxX on January 22, 2015, 02:08:06 AMThere's a surprise.Anyways, no. Like Verby says, I'm not a moron.You don't have to be a moron to fall prey to addiction. Thinking that such is simply a matter of stupidity is naive.It's called not doing drugs, m8.Were it only that simple. It's not a black and white issue.You're the one trying to ruin your brain man, not me.Smoking some weed or tobacco or drinking a little alcohol does NOT ruin your brainThat's not what Slash has been fucking around with the past few days.I don't know or care what he's been "fucking around with" for the past few days, I've done other drugs as well. It hasn't fucked me over. Example? I'm a certified goddamn EMT.Okay well great, then you know what you're doing.Yeah, it doesn't mean Slash doesn't know what he's doing, either. Hell, even if he doesn't know what he's doing, it's definitely a learning opportunity. Learning things the hard way is sometimes the best. But I don't know what he's involved in, so I can't give a proper opinion.
If you've never done heroin then how do you know?
has anyone on this site had problems with substance abuse?
