Godhood

Doctor Doom · August 18, 2015, 04:20:46 PM

Quote from: SecondClass on August 18, 2015, 12:35:49 PM

Nonexistence is the worst possible fate.

I concur wholeheartedly. The idea of having nothing, feeling nothing, affecting nothing, not being anymore, is just sickening. I'd take any amount of pain over nonexistence.

Elai · August 18, 2015, 04:35:26 PM

Quote from: Liquid Plotmaster on August 18, 2015, 04:20:46 PM

I concur wholeheartedly. The idea of having nothing, feeling nothing, affecting nothing, not being anymore, is just sickening. I'd take any amount of pain over nonexistence.

The stupidity of his comment was that nonexistence isn't a fate - it's where you start off. At least, in the scenario I contrived.

Edit: Obviously, the other part of the stupidity was that he's just wrong. There are fates worse than not existing.

Though I think it's stupid (at the least) to say that pain is better than no pain. Pretty much everyone would disagree with you, unless you had a predisposition to enforcing this idea that life=good, which you do. We can thank Verb for that.

Korra · August 18, 2015, 04:54:29 PM

Quote from: Saladin on August 18, 2015, 04:35:26 PM

Quote from: Liquid Plotmaster on August 18, 2015, 04:20:46 PM
I concur wholeheartedly. The idea of having nothing, feeling nothing, affecting nothing, not being anymore, is just sickening. I'd take any amount of pain over nonexistence.

The stupidity of his comment was that nonexistence isn't a fate - it's where you start off. At least, in the scenario I contrived.

Edit: Obviously, the other part of the stupidity was that he's just wrong. There are fates worse than not existing.

Though I think it's stupid (at the least) to say that pain is better than no pain. Pretty much everyone would disagree with you, unless you had a predisposition to enforcing this idea that life=good, which you do. We can thank Verb for that.

But...the MEMES.

Elai · August 18, 2015, 04:55:11 PM

Quote from: Korra Valentine on August 18, 2015, 04:54:29 PM

But...the MEMES.

Life is about more than just passing on your genes.

Korra · August 18, 2015, 04:56:55 PM

Quote from: Saladin on August 18, 2015, 04:55:11 PM

Quote from: Korra Valentine on August 18, 2015, 04:54:29 PM
But...the MEMES.

Life is about more than just passing on your genes.

But we can pass much more than just DNA.

SecondClass · August 18, 2015, 05:03:09 PM

Quote from: eggsalad on August 18, 2015, 03:44:30 PM

Quote from: SecondClass on August 18, 2015, 12:54:18 PM
Quote from: Saladin on August 18, 2015, 12:43:23 PM
Quote from: SecondClass on August 18, 2015, 12:35:49 PM
Nonexistence is the worst possible fate.

I don't wanna turn this into that conversation, but...

you can't honestly believe that.
I honestly do...
It's honestly kind of insulting that you think that. Try telling these folks or these fellas just how lucky they are to be existing and experiencing what they are. And how not being able to feel their world is such a horrible fate.

Did I ever say they were lucky? Everything I've posted ITT is about me on a personal level, not anyone else...

eggsalad · August 18, 2015, 05:06:49 PM

Quote from: SecondClass on August 18, 2015, 05:03:09 PM

Quote from: eggsalad on August 18, 2015, 03:44:30 PM
Quote from: SecondClass on August 18, 2015, 12:54:18 PM
Quote from: Saladin on August 18, 2015, 12:43:23 PM
Quote from: SecondClass on August 18, 2015, 12:35:49 PM
Nonexistence is the worst possible fate.

I don't wanna turn this into that conversation, but...

you can't honestly believe that.
I honestly do...
It's honestly kind of insulting that you think that. Try telling these folks or these fellas just how lucky they are to be existing and experiencing what they are. And how not being able to feel their world is such a horrible fate.
Did I ever say they were lucky? Everything I've posted ITT is about me on a personal level, not anyone else...

man i am good at not looking into context
sorry about that

but still m8 nonexistence entails inability to even notice the condition
saying that's torture is illogical

SecondClass · August 18, 2015, 05:13:01 PM

Quote from: eggsalad on August 18, 2015, 05:06:49 PM

Quote from: SecondClass on August 18, 2015, 05:03:09 PM
Quote from: eggsalad on August 18, 2015, 03:44:30 PM
Quote from: SecondClass on August 18, 2015, 12:54:18 PM
Quote from: Saladin on August 18, 2015, 12:43:23 PM
Quote from: SecondClass on August 18, 2015, 12:35:49 PM
Nonexistence is the worst possible fate.

I don't wanna turn this into that conversation, but...

you can't honestly believe that.
I honestly do...
It's honestly kind of insulting that you think that. Try telling these folks or these fellas just how lucky they are to be existing and experiencing what they are. And how not being able to feel their world is such a horrible fate.
Did I ever say they were lucky? Everything I've posted ITT is about me on a personal level, not anyone else...
man i am good at not looking into context
sorry about that

but still m8 nonexistence entails inability to even notice the condition
saying that's torture is illogical

I would probably change my mind if I was subject to VC-style torture, but even that is comprehensible to my mind. It's pain. The reason nonexistence is so frightening is because it's the most alien concept I can possibly think of. There's simply no way I can cope with it or fathom it. And while a very, very slim amount of people will be tortured in their lives (I probably never will), everyone, including me, will eventually die. I guess that's why it's on my mind more.

Doctor Doom · August 18, 2015, 05:38:26 PM

Quote from: Saladin on August 18, 2015, 04:35:26 PM

Pretty much everyone would disagree with you

And I won't particularly care.

aREALgod · August 19, 2015, 02:09:06 AM

I would probably do whatever I want and most anything I could imagine.

cxfhvxgkcf-56:7 · August 19, 2015, 05:03:18 AM

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Mattie G Indahouse · August 19, 2015, 05:44:57 AM

I would be just like God and do nothing besides killing things like by a giant flood.

challengerX · August 19, 2015, 06:41:39 AM

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Elai · August 19, 2015, 06:45:17 AM

Quote from: challengerX on August 19, 2015, 06:41:39 AM

How can it be a starting point when you don't exist?

Don't you understand how retarded that is?

Not retarded but confusing, sure.

Every at one point didn't exist. You came from non-existence.

I don't really think it's that difficult to grasp, to be honest.

challengerX · August 19, 2015, 06:49:11 AM

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cxfhvxgkcf-56:7 · August 19, 2015, 06:50:33 AM

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Elai · August 19, 2015, 06:52:10 AM

Quote from: challengerX on August 19, 2015, 06:49:11 AM

Non existence isn't a starting point. It's non existence. You don't exist.

You start existing in a womb.

I didn't say "you start existing in non-existence", lol.

Before you existed, you didn't exist. There was nothing before you didn't exist, therefore making it the "start".

Start was probably a bad choice of words but whatever.

challengerX · August 19, 2015, 06:52:57 AM

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DAS B00T x2 · August 19, 2015, 06:53:10 AM

If consciousness is a spontaneous creation, can we truly say we belonged to a plane of nonexistence prior to our conception?

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Elai · August 19, 2015, 06:55:33 AM

Quote from: challengerX on August 19, 2015, 06:53:55 AM

Just for fun, explain to me how non existence is a start.

Because it comes before anything else.

You didn't exist before you existed.

This is extremely simple.

challengerX · August 19, 2015, 06:57:13 AM

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Elai · August 19, 2015, 07:01:30 AM

Quote from: challengerX on August 19, 2015, 06:57:13 AM

And you start existing at conception.

I didn't say "non-existence is the start of existence" so you can stop repeating this, man.

Plus I've already admitted that "start" was a bad choice of words. There really isn't a word I can think of to use. The only way I can put it is that you, at one time, didn't exist, and that was the first thing you were. Maybe not "you" in a biological sense but definitely in a conceptual one.

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Don't tell me it's extremely simple, because you're the one arguing against what you've just now said.

I was just repeating what you said ironically, because it's pretty evident that it isn't simple.

DAS B00T x2 · August 19, 2015, 07:04:48 AM

Quote from: Saladin on August 19, 2015, 07:01:30 AM

The only way I can put it is that you, at one time, didn't exist, and that was the first thing you were.

given that all time, every age, and all lives occur simultaneously, no, there wasn't.

challengerX · August 19, 2015, 07:05:00 AM

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Elai · August 19, 2015, 07:05:35 AM

Quote from: DAS WAIFUMEISTER x2 on August 19, 2015, 07:04:48 AM

given that all time, every age, and all lives occur simultaneously, no, there wasn't.

What.

Elai · August 19, 2015, 07:06:51 AM

Quote from: challengerX on August 19, 2015, 07:05:00 AM

Except you didn't exist before conception.

I agree with you.

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It is. You're just having a hard time understanding it.

If I'm having a hard time understanding it that's because you've failed to explain it effectively.

DAS B00T x2 · August 19, 2015, 07:07:06 AM

Quote from: Saladin on August 19, 2015, 07:05:35 AM

Quote from: DAS WAIFUMEISTER x2 on August 19, 2015, 07:04:48 AM
given that all time, every age, and all lives occur simultaneously, no, there wasn't.

What.

Time is not linear
Our lives are occurring in the same moments that Napoleon's is.

Elai · August 19, 2015, 07:07:48 AM

Quote from: DAS WAIFUMEISTER x2 on August 19, 2015, 07:07:06 AM

Time is not linear
Our lives are occurring in the same moments that Napoleon's is.

Oh yeah, how could I forget that.

Thank you for reminding me, master.

challengerX · August 19, 2015, 07:07:55 AM

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