If you're a content creator who makes hyper-partisan, biased and misleading videos with the aim of riling people up, deepening the divide and validating the prejudices of a group which you rely on financially while skirting around controversy and cooperating with more extreme people? So be it. But I'm just as free to call them out for being problematic asshats who play a major part in this post-truth and highly divided society where people absolutely are introduced to radical and extreme beliefs through their content, and that they should be ashamed of themselves for doing so little to combat it because they reap the benefits.

Fair enough.

Thank you for the third article, that was a very enlightening read.

I too browse facebook

That’s Twitter hombre.

Type into google: “florida man” followed by your birthday (ex: “florida man january 16”) and post the results.

“Florida Man Confesses to Cops, Says ‘Jesus Told Me To’ Drive Ferrari 360 Off Pier”

Here are the first 7 comments I found on a Young Turks video from 2 days ago. Literally the second video I happened to click on. Also on the sidebar, there was a Jordan Peterson vs SJW video. You may not be satisfied, because it's not as extensive of digging as yours, but I feel it's all I need. You're saying: "look how terrible these people act in these communities", and yet here is how they act on a far-left youtube channel. It only makes sense to me that these people would cluster more heavily in more right-wing communities. I'm not sure how that makes the content creator at all responsible for them.

Who are you to say that these people are not genuinely looking for solutions when they bring up gun control, media influencers, radicalization and so on?

When people are talking about gun control, they're looking for solutions; when they try to connect Chelsea Clinton to the tragedy because she said something that pissed them off, they're not. I interpreted Batch's post as criticizing the latter.

I would never condone any harassment but let's not pretend that a small group (of students) confronting Clinton isn't anything more than just that.

It is when you have thousands of people and big name journalists agreeing with it. Quite frankly, the mob's attacks on free speech is far more concerning to me than anything Pewdiepie has ever done.

While that might be true for some people, I doubt it's a majority.

They're certainly very loud, regardless.

Denouncing "the alt right" when you share many of the same views, attack the same people and present a slightly watered down version of what the most notorious voices are saying doesn't mean much.

Like I said, this seems like thought-policing. I don't see what they're supposed to do to change this, other than changing their beliefs. I could post videos of several of the people you mentioned separating themselves from the alt-right, criticizing the Charlottesville rally, criticizing the Great Replacement conspiracy, condemning the attack last Friday, etc. but I'm not sure it would persuade you. If you had specifically mentioned people like Lauren Southern as radicalizing people, I would be with you, but for the people you listed I just don't see the connection.

I think it's disingenuous to pretend this doesn't happen when people like Bannon and Stormfront have explicitly commented on how useful of a recruitment technique it is.

I looked into this the other day and all I could find was Steve Bannon (allegedly) stating that Gamergate could make an "army" of Trump voters.

And you and I have some pretty different views on how the "fucking nigger", "death to all jews", Shapiro as a host, promoting a holocaust denier channel and all the other stuff somehow are not politics being reflected in his content.

Context is key. He deleted/apologized for/claimed ignorance for most of those things. I'm not sure how people can genuinely think he's some nazi dogwhistle channel with this in mind. I don't watch Pewdiepie, but from what I've read from his fans, he never gets political aside from these cherrypicked slip ups.

Let's not pretend this is some unfounded smear campaign against an innocent epic gamer.

It pretty much is. Regardless, it seems like pretty poor taste to start criticizing a youtuber for accidentally saying the n-word in an article that's supposed to be about 50 people losing their lives.

Your entire position seems kinda contradictory as you both admit that there's a discussion to be had but simultaneously appear to be dismiss any of it actually happening.

I believe there are discussions to be had about the topics I listed in my previous post but I personally disagree with the discussion you're having about holding people accountable that may have little more than some right-wing sympathies (Tim Pool). In my mind the only people connected are the ones that directly sell these ideas and the communities that house them (8chan, Stormfront). Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't see the connection between Pewdiepie's content and the far-right that can't be explained, and when the media tries to connect him to far-right actions, I do think it's disingenuous.

Sorry if I missed anything.

this will surely cause waves, in one form or another.

This seems to have been his goal, so hopefully a majority of people won't fall for it, at least in regards to his "manifesto".

May should understand no deal is the only option.

-from russia, with love 💖

Quote from: maverick on March 11, 2019, 07:12:40 PM

why

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no like why did he want them

Partly due to conditioning, partly due to the era we live it.

For the most part, rape has never been an aspect of mainstream games, whereas mass murder has been a part of games for years now (which drew controversy in the 00s). This can also be observed in other mediums, such as the original Psycho drawing criticism for showing an unmarried couple in the same bed and that woman in her bra, but by the sequels this was no longer taboo.

It’s also worth mentioning that the era of “#MeToo” and frequent school shootings is not the time to be setting these precedents. Would Infinity Ward have been able to get away with “No Russian” right after 9/11? Probably not. Regardless, a game about a school shooter seems in poor taste even if it wasn’t such a common tragedy as it is.

The fact that the outrage is coming from younger millennials rather than older conservatives likely also is what swayed valve. I think they recognize the hypocrisy though, which is why they seemed encouraging to the developers in their message.

I would also like to bring attention to the fact that Wookie changed his profile from "deleted", posted this, and then changed back again.

please lock

karjala's browsing history

"He was a presidential candidate who knew that Roger Stone was talking with Julian Assange about a WikiLeaks drop of Democratic National Committee emails."

"Mr. Trump did not directly tell me to lie to Congress. That's not how he operates."

"Trump knew of and directed the Trump Moscow negotiations throughout the campaign and lied about it. He lied about it because he never expected to win the election. He also lied about it because he stood to make hundreds of millions of dollars on the Moscow real estate project."

"Mr. Trump would often say, this campaign was going to be the 'greatest infomercial in political history.'"

"He once asked me if I could name a country run by a black person that wasn't a 'shithole.' This was when Barack Obama was President of the United States."

"He told me that black people would never vote for him because they were too stupid."

"This $35,000 check was one of 11 check installments that was paid throughout the year -- while he was President. The President of the United States thus wrote a personal check for the payment of hush money as part of a criminal scheme to violate campaign finance laws."

"Questions have been raised about whether I know of direct evidence that Mr. Trump or his campaign colluded with Russia. I do not."

"I have never been to Prague."

"What he didn't want was to have an entire group of thinks tanks run through his tax return ... and then he'll end up in an audit and eventually have taxable consequences."

CNN

A lot to unpack here. Republicans seemed to focus on his lack of credibility but his statements seem believable to me.

Quote from: maverick on February 26, 2019, 04:24:16 PM

The problem, to my understanding, is that Americans are a lot worse with their finances compared to other countries which leads to that discrepancy.

Sounds like bullshit to me. I'd like to see the source for that if you have one on hand.

http://fortune.com/2016/07/12/financial-literacy/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/danipascarella/2018/04/03/4-stats-that-reveal-how-badly-america-is-failing-at-financial-literacy/#18ec0b442bb7

https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/03/americans-shortsighted-in-debt-and-bad-at-investing/472680/

Just because Replika has a higher IQ than you doesn't make it sentient.

Quote from: maverick on February 22, 2019, 12:59:11 PM

Quote from: Mmmmm Napalm on February 22, 2019, 12:43:32 PM

not a fan of the characters though, they're all pretty lame. I just play as the robot

agreed. the healer and mirage are the only ones i've found useful. the gas guy seems pretty good too but i haven't unlocked him.

i'm hoping they experiment a bit, like fortnite, to make the characters better.

For me it's less the abilities and more so the personalities and appearance. Barring the robot none of them look all that cool to me. As for their personalities, it feels as though in trying to make them cool or entertaining, they made them kind of boring. Then again I'm also not a fan of most hero-based games, because they try too hard to make the characters wacky, and they usually attract fans who won't shut up about shipping and other garbage (see: overwatch).

Apex isn't near as bad in that dept. though, it just feels a little uninspired.

There definitely is some really forced tokenism that seems to have been their main priority. Apparently they've stated that the Hawaiian guy is gay and Bloodhound is trans.