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The Flood / Re: Sword SUNDEYS vote #2
« on: January 23, 2015, 04:06:55 PM »

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The Flood / Re: Post your desktop background
« on: January 23, 2015, 04:04:00 PM »

Mine is objectively the best.

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The Flood / Re: Sword SUNDEYS vote #2
« on: January 23, 2015, 04:01:16 PM »
Actual answer:

Spoiler
Kar98k

Fucking barbarians.

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The Flood / Re: Gentlemen, Please turn your attention to this
« on: January 23, 2015, 03:59:11 PM »
Cya man. Good luck.

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The Flood / Re: Name something you notice about another user.
« on: January 23, 2015, 03:57:53 PM »
there is a 50/50 chance that any given user is gay or bi
Duh, they either are or they're not.

50/50.

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The Flood / Re: Which user here has the most distinguished personality?
« on: January 23, 2015, 03:55:34 PM »
Reading this thread made my e-peen so hard I didn't even need to touch it in order to have an orgasm.

OT: Me.

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Something along the lines of: I don't want to die, so I assume you also don't want to die. So then we shouldn't kill each other.

I guess. :-\
I'll lay my position out in a set of premises, if you like:

- Moral sentences express propositions, are are thus truth-apt
- These propositions relate to objective facts about the world
- These objective facts (moral features) are reducible to non-moral facts.

In this way, we can determine exactly what is (im)moral within a situation, in principle.

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Wait...where are you getting objective morality from?
It'd be easier if you told me your own conception of morality, and then I work from there.

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Serious / Re: Can animals have rights?
« on: January 23, 2015, 02:26:46 PM »
They have all of the same rights as us, and I applaud India for recognizing dolphins as non-human persons.
I'm quite a big believer in the personhood of certain animals like dolphins, elephants and chimpanzees (or used to be, anyway). I'm just not sure if its personhood, in a proper sense, if the dolphins (or whatever) can't conceive of their obligation to respect the personhood of one another.

Like, we understand it. But I'm not entirely sure if it's really applicable to animals.

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Serious / Re: Can animals have rights?
« on: January 23, 2015, 02:23:52 PM »
I think most living beings deserve not to be tortured, killed, beaten, etc and you should be punished if you do.
Yes, but the point is: how can we legally endow chimps with a right not to be murdered when, essentially, such a right doesn't exist within any chimp community known? If the right to not be murdered implies an obligation for others to not murder you, how can animals have rights? Seeing as they can't conceive of duty.

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Serious / Can animals have rights?
« on: January 23, 2015, 02:21:28 PM »
I've been struggling with the idea that animals have rights. It seems to me that having rights implies obligations (you're obligated to not murder your neighbour), but how can we grant rights to the likes of those who lack the cognitive ability to even conceive of such concepts in the first place?

Do rights imply obligations?

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Serious / Re: Do you believe in a separation between money and power?
« on: January 23, 2015, 02:13:30 PM »
The problem isn't the wealthy, it's the government. If I had a fuck-tonne of money I'd buy political favours too. I do think, however, they should be largely separate.

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Serious / I've changed my mind, rights do exist (they come from morality)
« on: January 23, 2015, 02:12:03 PM »
I used to be of the opinion that 'rights' don't exist in any real, or objective, sense. I've changed my mind. I think rights necessarily stem from morality, and since morality is objective then (some) rights are necessarily objective, also.

It seems that the individuals of a society are to be endowed with all the negative rights reasonable to foster self-reliance and a sense of regularity. Certain positive rights also necessarily exist, in the name of morality.

Actually, the more I think about it, the more the line between rights and morality becomes blurry. It seems that rights are essentially just politco-legal manifestations of morality. It might not be true to say, in that case, that rights themselves are objective, but that rights have an objective basis.

I don't know, I need to think about it.

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Serious / Re: Most controversial public figures whom you admire?
« on: January 23, 2015, 01:50:43 PM »
We need more people like Hitler to help out economies
;_;

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Serious / Re: Official State of the [only] Union [that matters] thread
« on: January 23, 2015, 01:41:10 PM »
Also, you can live ANYWHERE in the United States for $8 an hour.
No, incorrect. My rent is $1050/mo. Even if I didn't pay taxes, I would barely have enough to keep my roof over my head at $8/hr. That's not to mention food, utilities, car, cell phone, and other expenses.

Stop making shit up.

Not everyone lives in your crazy little fantasy world.
While I agree with you, I'm not sure you can use your rent as a metric.

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Serious / Re: California rapper faces 25 years to life for his lyrics
« on: January 23, 2015, 12:45:54 PM »
California is the most important state in the country.
For agriculture, no doubt.


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The Flood / Re: My dank memes bring all the boys to the yard
« on: January 23, 2015, 12:20:18 PM »
>dankier

Are you austistic?

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The Flood / Re: it's Arky's birthday today
« on: January 23, 2015, 12:14:03 PM »
Sentra's birthday is coming up too.

Happy early birthday dead Sentra.
I'm not ashamed to admit I laughed at this.

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The Flood / Re: Verbatim...
« on: January 23, 2015, 12:13:14 PM »
inb4lock

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Serious / Re: Most controversial public figures whom you admire?
« on: January 23, 2015, 12:09:57 PM »
The amount of people saying Hitler in this thread. . .


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Serious / California rapper faces 25 years to life for his lyrics
« on: January 23, 2015, 12:05:38 PM »
CNN
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(CNN)Song lyrics that glorify violence are hardly uncommon. But a prosecutor in California says one rapper's violent lyrics go beyond creative license to conspiracy.

San Diego-based rapper Tiny Doo has already spent eight months in prison, and faces 25 years to life in prison if convicted under a little-known California statute that makes it illegal to benefit from gang activities.

The statute in question is California Penal Code 182.5. The code makes it a felony for anyone to participate in a criminal street gang, have knowledge that a street gang has engaged in criminal activity, or benefit from that activity.

It's that last part -- benefiting from criminal activity -- that prosecutors are going after the rapper for.

Tiny Doo, whose real name is Brandon Duncan, faces nine counts of criminal street gang conspiracy because prosecutors allege he and 14 other alleged gang members increased their stature and respect following a rash of shootings in the city in 2013.

Prosecutors point to Tiny Doo's album, "No Safety," and to lyrics like "Ain't no safety on this pistol I'm holding" as examples of a "direct correlation to what the gang has been doing."

No one suggests the rapper ever actually pulled a trigger.

In fact, Duncan may rap about violence but he's got no criminal record.

Duncan told CNN's Don Lemon he's just "painting a picture of urban street life" with his lyrics.

"The studio is my canvas. I'm just painting a picture," he said. "I'm not telling anybody to go out and kill somebody."

He denied any involvement with any gang but said the prosecution has him concerned about future creative expression.

"I would love to continue to rap," he said. "But these people have you scared to do anything around here."

Prosecutors say lyrics aren't the only evidence they have. At Duncan's preliminary hearing, they presented social media posts that they say prove Duncan is still a gang member.

CNN Legal Analyst Mark Geragos says the district attorney may be trying to send a message "that you shouldn't glorify or glamorize gang activity."

"The problem is you're going to run straight head-on into the First Amendment," he said. "If they don't have anything other than the album, this case I don't think would ever stand up."

Yeah, and my country is the one assaulting freedom of speech.

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Serious / Re: MFW Kalashnikov found a way around Obama's executive order
« on: January 23, 2015, 12:01:46 PM »
That's what Obama gets for being a fucking idiot.

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Serious / Re: Are you a threat to the government?
« on: January 23, 2015, 09:51:01 AM »
You kidding?

I am the government agent.

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Serious / Re: King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia Dead
« on: January 23, 2015, 01:50:03 AM »
Oh god this better not fuck up their oil production.

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Serious / Re: Mother outraged at "satanic symbol" on school bus
« on: January 23, 2015, 01:46:40 AM »
What if the God you fear is Satan himself?

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Serious / Re: Bakery refuses to make anti-gay cake; legal action ensues
« on: January 23, 2015, 01:44:05 AM »
different moral systems.
Only one, however, is correct.

Morality is entirely subjective.
False. But I'm not about to derail this thread into a meta-ethical discussion.

OT: anybody who owns  a business should have the legal right to not offer you services, at any point in time and for whatever reason. Even if that reason is largely unethical--but that's just the nature of property.

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Oh my fucking God, Dustin, take it to the cunting sep7agon board. Stop shitting up my threads with your bullshit.

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The Flood / Re: Does cigarette packaging matter?
« on: January 22, 2015, 03:58:54 PM »
Packaging laws in Australia work.

The question is whether or not it's the government's place to be acting in such a paternalistic way.

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Serious / Re: Most controversial public figures whom you admire?
« on: January 22, 2015, 02:25:15 PM »
Well, it wasn't his wife...
Just googled him.

My kinda man.

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