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Serious / Some thoughts on Chris Kyle's reputation
« on: February 02, 2015, 10:22:14 AM »
So, he's a divisive character of course. Let's, for a minute, just assume that all off the shit said about him is true. . . So what?

He's a religious sociopath who wound up with a rifle--this shit just happens sometimes. He was a good sniper, but not a good person. Of course he was a blight on the U.S. military, particularly for snipers, but expecting a 100pc rate of moral supremacy is unrealistic, not to mention dangerous. Our snipers are far better than theirs. We've known since 2006 that insurgent snipers in Iraq specifically targetted engineers, medics and chaplains.

I'm not here to make a huge argument about how Chris Kyle ought to be exonerated, or how the conduct of the Coalition forces in Iraq and Afghanistan has been exemplary, but let's not forget just who we're fighting.

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Serious / Re: Bongistan: 1 Burgerclaps: 0
« on: February 02, 2015, 10:13:22 AM »
Whatever the kill count, we can agree that a lot of snipers are some of the most moral people on the planet.

Removing the Islamist scourge, one by one.

Doesn't get more admirable than that.

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Oh my God just fucking read the underlined bits.

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Serious / Re: Lib Dems or UKIP?
« on: February 02, 2015, 09:09:36 AM »
I'll either be voting for UKIP or the Conservatives come May, probably the Conservatives.

So yeah, vote UKIP. Fuck the Liberals; utter shit.

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The Flood / Re: I have to give Microsoft credit
« on: February 02, 2015, 08:54:13 AM »
Both the music and the product interest me.

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The Flood / Re: Discuss Omegle
« on: February 02, 2015, 08:51:46 AM »
It's great for grooming children.

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The Flood / Just a reminder that this exists
« on: February 02, 2015, 08:50:51 AM »
YouTube


Art.

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Serious / Re: Perfect example of why I don't like leftists
« on: February 02, 2015, 06:37:57 AM »
It's not about leftism, it's about how Green parties are always fucking retarded.
Hue, can't disagree with that.

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Serious / Re: 4th grader suspended for terrorist threats
« on: February 02, 2015, 02:11:22 AM »
I saw a high-school kid at my college (they're in the same building) get kicked out of a lesson and get properly shouted at for racism.

What did he do?

The teacher put a person up on the board of Arabian descent and a kid said "He's black". The kid who got kicked out pointed at the class's black kid and said "No, he's black".

Since when was calling black people black fucking racist.

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Serious / Re: Suggested reads on economics?
« on: February 02, 2015, 02:08:23 AM »
Everything I know about economics is self-taught via reading, so I'll just drop the most useful books I own:

Economics for Dummies.
The Wealth of Nations by Adam Smith.
The General Theory of Employment, Interest and Money by J.M. Keynes (really heavy going).
The Failure of New Economics: An Analysis of the Keynesian Fallacies by Henry Hazlitt.
Austrian Economics: A Primer by Eamonn Butler.
Capitalism and Freedom by Milton Friedman.
Free to Choose, ibid.
The Age of Turbulence by Alan Greenspan.
Boom and Bust Banking: the Causes and Cures of the Great Recession by David Beckworth.
House of Debt: how They (and You) Caused the Great Recession by Atif Mian and Amir Sufi.

I don't agree with the conclusions of every book, but these are very good are introducing you to economics generally and then specific schools within economics.

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Serious / Perfect example of why I don't like leftists
« on: February 01, 2015, 05:44:45 PM »
Here are some of the things wrong with the Green Party in my country. The policies noted exist on their policy website.

1. The Green Party would destroy Britain's pharmaceutical industry by completely banning animal testing (AR414), and the alternatives they put forward (AR415) are either useless or use humans.

2. AR428 states they would ban xenotransplantation, which is essential to both academic and practical biomedical process and would probably cause the death of countless people.

3. They have no sense of balance between ecological preservation and human activity. CC100 isn't at all clear which trumps which and under what circumstances.

4. They have stated in CMS206 that they would not impose censorship in any way, shape or form and yet policies on the same page contradict this (namely CMS611, 660 and 662) would put mass media directly under State control and regulation.

5. EC658, whereby companies would be transformed into co-operatives if the consumers or workers agree, would probably kill investment.

6. The call for full-reserve banking in EC663 is completely unnecessary and would seriously hamper economic progress.

7. Expanding corporation and capital gains tax will cause higher deadweight loss than expanding, say, property or consumption taxes.

8. EC901 states competitiveness is a "zero-sum game", which completely ignores the theory of comparative advantage and the phenomenon of consumer surplus.

9. ED190, in all its multicultural glory, states that religious dietary requirements will be respected. Yet given the general trend towards not eating meat the Party wants to establish, and the admittedly cruel nature of Kosher and Halal slaughter, how can the Party possibly advocate this with any integrity?

10. FA713 just displays complete ignorance of most literature on GM foods, and FA711C is based on discredited 'science'.

11. PD205 claims nuclear weapons are disproportionate to any threat, which would necessarily include other nuclear weapons. . .


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Read it you twats.

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Serious / Re: What if Christianity didn't exist?
« on: February 01, 2015, 02:55:20 PM »
Would you care to justify yourself, then? Should be interesting, coming from an intellectual, like yourself.
The only reason somebody can characterise the Middle Ages as the "Dark Ages" is by being exceptionally ignorant of Medieval history. The Middle Ages were far, far from dark.

Not to mention, your graph conflates all three periods of the Middle Ages with the "Dark Ages", which usually only refers to the Early Middle Ages from the years 400-900.

I've always been under the impression that the "Middle Ages" were an abrupt stop for scientific advancement. I've been wrong this whole time, then?
Yes, pretty much.

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Serious / This is a final draft for my Youtube video on the Recession
« on: February 01, 2015, 01:32:52 PM »
Subject to last minute revisions; important parts are underlined. Tell me if you think something needs changing or ought to be worded differently.

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First and foremost I just want to offer a disclaimer regarding Stefan himself. I have a great deal of respect for Stefan in the way he collates and presents information, even if I don't agree with his conclusions. It's fairly obvious that he has an appreciation of empirical evidence, so if he ever watches this video I hope he's able to appreciate the information I'm going to put forward and try to reconcile it with his own conclusions—even if he disagrees with me in the end. I also consider myself sympathetic to 'free banking' (that is, the abolition of the central bank), especially the work of George Selgin, but still find fault with Stefan's analysis.

One of the first problems I have with Stefan's analysis is his description of the “Greenspan Put”, which he claims stops the economy from slowing down and restructuring as capital is re-allocated into different kinds of economic activity. This is false, monetary policy only has control over nominal variables. The allocation of capital and investment in an economy is primarily a real—not nominal—factor and therefore largely non-monetary. The point of the so-called “Greenspan Put” was to stabilise the growth of aggregate nominal income (aggregate demand) in an economy, which is a solely nominal variable. How capital reallocates itself, and the growth rate of rGDP, wasn't significantly restricted under Greenspan's chairmanship.

Moving on to the crux of Stefan's claims, however, it's quite clear that there is a confusion of causality in his thinking. And just to help you visualise this, I want to separate three distinct events: the housing bubble, which is a depreciation in the price of housing following the peak in 2006; the financial crisis which involves stress placed on banks and subsequently their failure; and the Great Recession, which is the slow-down in economic activity for whatever reason. Stefan seems to be positing the idea that there was a severe housing bubble, which he refers to as a “ten-year malinvestment”. This bubble, according to Stefan, crashed and led to a severe financial crisis which then in turn led to a severe recession. This isn't true. Looking at the number of housing starts[1] we can see that there is a quite clear moderation in their previously cyclical nature, and that’s interesting. However, just looking at house starts in pure numbers, it's actually somewhat commensurate with the population growth.[2] So first of all, it's not obvious that there was any significant mal-investment to begin with. The usual idea is that the Federal Reserve kept interest rates 'too low for too long' over the course of 2002-2004 with an expansionary monetary policy which encouraged housing construction. But this isn't very solid, as the data seems to show wild divergences about how house prices in different states reacted during the same period[3] which suggests a primarily structural or supply-side issue with the housing market, such as zoning laws.

Stefan, however, doesn't seem to think that interest rates were kept excessively low in the 2002-2004 period, and actually acknowledges that the 'bubble' began in the late 1990s, which doesn't alter during the period of a low federal funds rate.[4] I can’t stress how much he’s also correct in placing emphasis on the Federal Reserve, and I agree that anybody who doesn’t consider it important isn’t being serious. However, even acknowledging this doesn't make it clear that the Federal Reserve is directly responsible in the creation of a bubble, as the steady decline in long-term interest rates—which engendered the bubble—was clearly caused by non-monetary factors, as post-1990, the federal funds rate was decoupled from long-term interest rates[5] for a number of potential reasons. Stefan’s analysis of monetary policy is also a bit confusing—at one point he acknowledges the four-fold increase in real interest rates immediately prior to the Recession, and yet doesn’t seem to correlate this with a tight money policy, instead presenting a general atmosphere on inflationary policy.

Despite all of this, however, the housing bubble really is irrelevant. Stefan notes how houses don’t create jobs following their construction, in the same way a factory or other kinds of physical capital might, and how a housing bubble popping would necessarily leave thousands of people out of work. Unemployment, however, didn't alter when the house prices peaked in 2006 and began a steady decline throughout 2007[6] suggesting a sort of non-effect on the U.S. economy, unemployment only really kicked off in mid-2008[7] when nominal income sharply declined as a result of tight money[8:2] and by this time, the amount of housing construction had declined to match the nadir during the early-90s Recession[1], so it’s quite clear that the decline of the bubble had no appreciable impact on the rest of the economy. We don’t necessarily just need to look at the stance of nominal income, either, to diagnose tight money as the problem; the real interest rates on 5-year TBs appreciated sharply beginning in July 2008[15] and Alan Greenspan himself had presciently predicted a Recession by the end of 2007—which is exactly when it began—citing stabilising profit margins, which are partly indicative of monetary policy[16]. The Financial Crisis (marked by the failure of Lehman Brothers) began a few months after the decline of nominal income[17], and a Richmond Fed insider named Robert Hetzel has explicitly blamed the Recession on a tight monetary policy.[18]

Stefan is correct in the assertion that the Federal Reserve is primarily responsible for the Great Depression—it isn't a case of 'animal spirits' or the stock market crash of 1929, as seems to be the consensus among non-economists; we can clearly see other indicators like industrial production beginning to decline in June-July prior to any stock market crash, but we’ll come onto this later.[9] However, unlike Stefan's assertion, Milton Friedman showed that monetary policy was too tight during the late 1920s to early 1930s, not inflationary or expansionary as seems to be the underlying theme of Stefan's hypothesis.

Stefan then goes on to talk about interest rates and their importance; they are indeed important, but it also exposes a flaw in Stefan’s view of monetary policy and how the Fed operates. Stefan seems to take a Wicksellian view of monetary policy in that he focuses intensely on interest rates. Interest rates are largely a poor way of viewing monetary policy; Milton Friedman (who Stefan referenced earlier) noticed this and recognised how rates are usually depressed during times of deflation and very high during times of inflation or hyper-inflation. The central bank has an imperfect control of interest rates, primarily via the short-term liquidity effect whereas interest rates are also influenced by things like inflation expectations and the long-term Fisher effect. Remarks by Ben Bernanke in 2003, no less, points to inflation and nominal income as being the best determinants for the stance of monetary policy.[10] Stefan even goes on to mention interest rates in relation to inverted yield curves, and how they’re predictive of future Recessions; what he misses however is the fact that markets often believe inflation will be low when these inverted yield curves present themselves, which is, of course, further indicative of tight money.

Stefan then goes on to talk about how capital reserve requirements encouraged the holding of risky mortgage debt, and Jeffrey Friedman has a brilliant paper on how asset requirements like the Basel Accords also contributed to the problem of banks holding toxic debt[19]. We would certainly have had a financial crisis regardless of whether or not monetary policy had been excessively tight just prior to the downturn. However, the financial crisis was definitely worsened by the Recession, and made to be much more stressful than it would’ve otherwise been in a stable macroeconomic environment. It’s not fair to say that the Recession caused the financial crisis, but it certainly triggered it—I mentioned earlier how Lehman failed months after the economy was showing all the warning signs, and history has typically shown how credit crunches are either largely irrelevant to the business cycle or the real economy, or indicative of prior weaknesses.

This has been demonstrated throughout history—notably in 1987 when the single-biggest drop in stock prices occurred, even bigger than the crash of 1929. Even the crash of 1929, as I mentioned earlier, occurred after certain factors like industrial production were indicating economic weakness. Not only this, however, but the crash of 1929 didn't even cause a financial crisis. A paper by the American Enterprise Institute shows the 40pc declination on the number of banks in the economy was due to small banks failing—as they had consistently done through the booming 1920s—and mergers, meaning there wasn’t much disintermediation and thus no credit crunch[11]. In fact, the largest and most efficacious banking crises occurred in 1933, wherein 11pc of all deposits were effected, the first proper year of recovery; until that was choked off by poor fiscal policy.[12] The same study also goes on to note how the 2008 Recession is similar in its lack of significant bank disintermediation; the availability of bank credit to GDP was at an all-time high, and we can also see that represented here on this graph.[13] On top of this, and again similarly to the Great Depression, industrial production had also fallen off the cliff a few months prior to the Financial Crisis[14], indicating some sort of weakness which was exogenous to the banks.

In the end, the housing bubble and the financial crisis were not causes in themselves of the Recession. The housing bubble is largely irrelevant to the discussion, and confusing, as house prices declined with the global drop in nominal income around 2008. The financial crisis too, is more of an indication of underlying economic weakness, as the failure of Lehman Brothers in Sept. 2008 occurred a few months after nominal income went into free-fall.

NOTE: Inverted yield curve! Tight money signal???

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1.   http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/graph/fredgraph.png?g=Z7q
2.   http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/graph/fredgraph.png?g=Z7B
3.   http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/graph/fredgraph.png?g=Ydb
4.   http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/graph/fredgraph.png?g=Z7r
5.   http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/graph/fredgraph.png?g=Yce
6.   http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/graph/fredgraph.png?g=VLt
7.   http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/graph/fredgraph.png?g=Z7G
8.   https://marketmonetarist.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/ngdp-usa.png; http://static1.squarespace.com/static/52cdc300e4b012a81d31c03d/t/53a2cfc3e4b017961ee4df6b/1403178971061/
9.   http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/graph/fredgraph.png?g=Z8g
10.   http://federalreserve.gov/boarddocs/speeches/2003/20031024/default.htm
11.   http://pubs.aeaweb.org/doi/pdfplus/10.1257/jep.24.4.45
12.   http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/graph/fredgraph.png?g=YcK
13.   http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/graph/fredgraph.png?g=YcA
14.   http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/graph/fredgraph.png?g=Z7u
15.   http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/graph/fredgraph.png?g=Z7z
16.   http://www.nbcnews.com/id/17343814/#.VM5hup2sWYI
17.   http://angrybearblog.com/wp-content/oldimages/angrybear/2/-Q-wQYvGTzPM/TjaddweGX7I/AAAAAAAAAq0/oUn6SqqAXwk/s1600/gdp_chart.JPG
18.   http://www.richmondfed.org/publications/research/economic_quarterly/2009/spring/pdf/hetzel2.pdf
19.   http://www.criticalreview.com/crf/pdfs/Friedman_intro21_23.pdf


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Serious / Re: I really don't get how people can be anti-capitalist
« on: February 01, 2015, 01:25:19 PM »
when they do far less than them.

Please tell me more about your substantial experience in working as a chief executive of a large company.

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Serious / Re: Are women inherently unfunny?
« on: February 01, 2015, 12:39:32 PM »
Fuck you, I was going to post Hitch.

But yeah, most women just aren't funny.

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Serious / Re: I'm fucking mad.
« on: February 01, 2015, 10:15:16 AM »
The reputation of Chris Kyle is unfortunately further soiling the perception of an incredibly righteous and just war.

Politics as usual.

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Serious / Re: What if Christianity didn't exist?
« on: February 01, 2015, 10:12:02 AM »
The Greeks knew the Earth was a sphere and that it revolved around the sun with the other planets. Then came this religion which brought ignorance. We went from knowing that stuff to believing the Earth is flat and that the sun and other planets revolved around it.
Pretty much everything you just said is false. First of all, the Greeks didn't know the solar system was heliocentric; one guy proposed the idea but didn't have the capacity to draw up a proper model. Aristarchus's work was lost, not repudiated by the Christians following the fall of Rome.

What's more, I don't think we believed the Earth was flat at any point throughout the Middle Ages, we just underestimated its circumference.

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Serious / Re: I really don't get how people can be anti-capitalist
« on: February 01, 2015, 09:22:51 AM »
And this is, of course, coming from a former anarcho-communist.
Well, shouldn't you understand what led you to be a filthy red for a while?
Yeah: ignorance.

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Serious / I really don't get how people can be anti-capitalist
« on: February 01, 2015, 09:18:19 AM »
And this is, of course, coming from a former anarcho-communist. It genuinely seems to me that there's an inverse relationship between how much one understands capitalism, and how much one protests it. Obviously, it suffers from incumbency; it is the 'system' in which we('re supposed to) live, so it's easier to see its flaws and advocate something else.

But all the market is is a way of organising and facilitating exchange between people who want to do business. Very few of the problems with 'capitalism', when reduced to their fundamentals, are actually problems with capitalism and pretty much all of the ones I can think of have simple solutions, at least when compared with throwing the entire system out. I mean, let's be honest, it's the progress and development of capitalism from around the 1750s that facilitates our very protest of it.

Literally the only problem with capitalism that I can think of, which could bring the whole system down, is that it will bring about its own downfall via technological development.

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Then let the terrorists kill all of Europe if they find themselves strong and mighty with weapons.
can't tell if serious

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Serious / Re: Can anybody in America explain this trend to me?
« on: February 01, 2015, 04:32:52 AM »
Looks like the 2009 crash.
I'm interested in why it was trending downwards prior to the Recession.

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Can't someone who runs off and contributes to a terrorist organization be persecuted for terrorism-related crimes, or crimes of war, depending on the various cases? What's the point of taking the citizenship from someone that you will put on the chair or in Guantanamo anyway?
It's not that simple; we're having problems all across Europe (well, Britain, France and Germany are at least, I don't know about Greece) with stopping people who've been to Syria and Iraq returning.

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Serious / Re: What if Christianity didn't exist?
« on: February 01, 2015, 04:26:35 AM »
Would you care to justify yourself, then? Should be interesting, coming from an intellectual, like yourself.
The only reason somebody can characterise the Middle Ages as the "Dark Ages" is by being exceptionally ignorant of Medieval history. The Middle Ages were far, far from dark.

Not to mention, your graph conflates all three periods of the Middle Ages with the "Dark Ages", which usually only refers to the Early Middle Ages from the years 400-900.

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So, you will just go on all over the internet and police arguments?
What part of anything I said indicated that.

There are many things I'd like to occur. I'd like people to stop murdering, I'd like wars not to be necessary, I'd like my probably-borderline friend to get better and I'd like scientists to eliminate cancer.

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Serious / Re: Can anybody in America explain this trend to me?
« on: January 31, 2015, 07:32:37 PM »
I'd wager it's because people who are still recovering financially after being unemployed have opted to go without coverage so they can pay off their debts.
That could make sense actually; monetary policy was also quite tight during that time-frame, so it'd add to the feeling of being financially pressured even while employed.

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Her being a Muslim has literally nothing to do with what she posted. It didn't one mention Islam, faith, or any religious connotations.
It does when she's trying to advance the interests of women. Obviously I'm in a better position to call this, since I actually know her, but I'm not going to let that slide when I've heard her publicly defend country's like Iran and Saddam's Iraq.

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It's not meaningless, either. "Show some damn respect for yourself" is hardly empty and self-appreciating nonsense
It is when you're saying women who do things like twerk, smoke shisha or dress scantily are behaving like "animals". It's self-appreciating because she feels like she's doing something; she's fucking posting on social media about behaviours she doesn't like because she's essentially a puritan. 

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What empirical evidence do you want? It's fucking Instagram, not a peer-reviewed science journal publication.
I'd just rather people not make such statements, if they aren't in a position to adequately defend them.

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Serious / Re: Culture matters
« on: January 31, 2015, 07:19:17 PM »
what would you say we're at war over right now?
Civilisation. This is about moral superiority, at least to me. It seems to be a factual statement to me that our culture, while not perfect, is superior. Of course, economics will always factor into it--it's necessary, considering how it's essentially the study of human behaviour in the face of incentives. But there will always be a necessary value-judgement preceding any economic conclusion.

We're fighting, whether we realise it or not, over whose propositions are correct.

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Serious / Re: Can anybody in America explain this trend to me?
« on: January 31, 2015, 07:16:39 PM »
Seems to correspond roughly to the change in unemployment rate, with people's coverage tied to their job. Just a guess, though. Could be a symptom of a poor economy in general.
Potentially, but it looks as if from 2003-2007 there's a downtrend in both coverage and unemployment.


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Serious / Re: Culture matters
« on: January 31, 2015, 07:13:19 PM »
If it exposes a bias, let me put it to rest by clarifying that I recognize and condemn the part that religion plays in war. The reason for this seemingly semantic argument is to highlight the pervasive influence of economy in humanity. Without a doubt, many people have in the past and do in the present go to war because they feel that it is right through their religion to do so. But the difference is that wars are fought by nations, not individuals, and the politicians and rulers of those nations are doing it out of a desire to gain or protect economic resources, be it territory, people, or money. And that's important because we have this mindset that terrorists just want to kill us all because our culture insults theirs and is worthy of being killed, but we don't see that in their actions or in their statements. We see a desire to rid their land of Western influence and regain (or gain) sovereignty of a land and its people.

Terry the Terrorist is out there shooting an AK at coalition forces because he thinks it's what Allah wants him to do and when he dies an honorable death he'll be rewarded for his martyrdom. But this isn't the motivation of ISIS as a whole; they want people, and land, and money. Islam is just the thing that's telling them it's okay.
Sure, and I don't disagree with any of that, but my point lies in your last sentence.

If you don't want to call it an explicit motivator, then call it an enabler. But the fact that their religion makes them feel entitled to certain things is the valued proposition which necessarily precedes their economic judgement. The fact that ISIS has dismantled the Sykes-Picot Line is obviously something of a quasi-imperialist land-grab motivated by clear economic benefits, but that desire--or the valuation of that action--likely wouldn't exist in the first place if they didn't already have this religious justification embedded in history.

And, of course, this isn't just limited to war. I agree that politicians conducting operations with foreign countries are motivated by material and economic wealth (although, the murder of bin Laden, when it came, was more to do with an accumulation of political capital as opposed to actual capital), but when religion can clearly motivate individuals to do horrible (and, yes, good) things then it stands to reason that it can motivate groups to a significant extent, also. Groups of co-operating human beings may appear to be almost superorganisms at times, but that can only happen with the social cohesion supplied by religion in the case of ISIS or al-Qaeda or Hezbollah or whatever. But like I say, unification feeds into motivation--these groups couldn't be unified by religion if there were no significant propositions which came with them, which then necessarily go on to motivate certain kinds of behaviour.

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