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Serious / Re: Why "social justice" is bullshit
« on: May 05, 2015, 10:11:58 AM »
The term has had a well known and historic meaning.

Which is? Is it different to the one I presented? Because if it isn't, it's still vacuous. I've demonstrated in the OP how the "redistribution" of wealth and opportunity (not so sure about privilege, because I'm honestly not even fucking sure what that means) has been imbecilic in the past and based on false premises.

Regardless, the historical meaning--if different--apparently holds no weight. You'll be the first person I've ever come across to use it in a meaningful way.

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Serious / Re: Why "social justice" is bullshit
« on: May 05, 2015, 10:03:37 AM »
But wanting equality in the eyes of the law falls under the definition of 'social justice'.
Which is another problem with "social justice". It's a non-term; apart from the most bigoted dipshits, who doesn't want equality under the law. For the most part, we have equality under the law apart from a few remaining bastions like gay marriage.

I mean, come on:
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Social justice is "justice in terms of the distribution of wealth, opportunities, and privileges within a society".
It's so vague as to be essentially meaningless. The content is so ridiculously variable and hard to pin down that the only concrete forms of social justice are the ones which can be easily discredited. Your "equality under the law" definition could fulfil the terms of opportunity and privilege, but they are nowhere near the full story when the term is often deployed.

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Serious / Re: Why "social justice" is bullshit
« on: May 05, 2015, 09:28:36 AM »
There are a large number of social issues in the west.
Sure.

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The fact gay marriage is still not a thing in most of America is ridiculous.
Of course. I was talking about cultures/races/sexes for the most part.

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The growing wealth gap and power of the rich over politics is a very serious issue.
The wealth gap? Not so much. Social mobility? Absolutely.

Although I do completely agree that the marriage between government and business is abhorrent.

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Discrimination based on race, gender, sexuality, etc. is still a thing. The list goes on.
Of course, there will never not be discrimination. My contention is that it's not institutionalised or systemic--or even widespread enough--to the point of collectively holding down blacks, Puerto Ricans and other "disadvantaged" groups.

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The world has something of a hard-on for majoritarian consent.

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Serious / Re: Why "social justice" is bullshit
« on: May 05, 2015, 08:51:15 AM »
Anyways, have you ever considered being a politician?
Yes.

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Serious / Why "social justice" is bullshit
« on: May 05, 2015, 08:06:37 AM »
Social justice must be one of the most pernicious beliefs of our time. Truly, an intellectual trojan horse that has led to significant deprivation through its premises and conclusions. The whole paradigm is simply riddled with errors.

Many progressives find the idea abhorrent that certain groups--be they racial, national, ethnic, cultural, whatever--can have performance deficits relative to other groups. Accordingly, we have what can be called the "discrimination hypothesis"; or the idea that any disparity in economic outcomes for certain groups must be the result of discrimination or even economic oppression. The idea that performance is therefore an individual phenomenon wherein group discrepancies can be explained away by discrimination thus gives rise to cultural relativism.

The idea that no culture is really better than any other; that they're all just equally valid perspectives. Not only does this disregard the fact that the Chinese have historically been objectively better in matters of technology and government--and the Southern Europeans in philosophy and art--but it just seems unbelievable except on the basis of pure dogma. The idea that economic disparities are mainly the result of discrimination--or the unjust agency of some other group--simply doesn't stand the test of time.

People often blame the poor position of many blacks in America to the legacy of slavery, despite the fact that black unemployment was lower than that of whites from 1890 through 1930; only since the expansion of the welfare state in the 1960s--and many rises in the minimum wage--have blacks had endemic unemployment and single-parent, unmarried families. Indeed, the history of Jews in Eastern Europe, the Lebanese in West Africa, the Chinese in Southeast Asia and the Indians of Fiji (all minorities and beneficiaries of economic disparities) casts wide aspersions on the idea that those who do better are the oppressors, and the rest are the oppressed or victims of discrimination.

People often ask why Africa is so poor, and immediately assume the legacies of imperialism and colonialism are to blame despite the fact that the wheel hadn't even been invented in some parts of Africa by the 1880s. The idea that Africa must be a victim is in line with the sort of social justice thinking we see, and yet it discards much more succinct hypotheses focusing around ideas like geography. While the waterways of Europe--like the canals in Great Britain--provide navigable paths, rivers like the Zaire in Africa are practically useless due to cascades and volatile rain patterns. It was useless for the transportation of goods, and thus could never facilitate any kind of economic development.

And we see how geography bleeds into culture and persists over time. The Scottish lowlanders have historically been economically more successful than the Scottish highlanders, even when they were removed from Scotland and placed in America and Australia (pp. 762, 764, 765-9).

Even if we remove the geographical and related cultural considerations, we still run into demographic problems. In an economy increasingly placing emphasis on information and experience, it's no surprise that Jews do better than Puerto Ricans by having a median age which is a decade ahead. Furthermore, there are even differences within families. The National Merit Scholarship separated IQ finalists into first-born and later-born children, with over half of them being first born, even in five-child families. The difference in IQ between children is so substantial as to translate into significant economic differences, with no discernible features when compared with disparities between non-relatives.

We're left wondering how the discrimination hypothesis can account for any of these incredibly consequential trends effecting the performance of certain groups and their cultures. Or how they can even begin to be remedied. When it comes to proposals like income redistribution, such terms are couched in sanctimonious moralism and shallow analysis; it was the eminent Fabian, George Bernard Shaw, who described socialism as "a proposal to divide up the income of a country in a new way". And not only is this misleading in that it implies we have distribution A and must simply move to distribution B, but it's highly intellectually dishonest for somebody to claim to know how much somebody or a service is really worth. If a man pays one dollar for a cup of coffee, and the barista accepts it, then the distributionists must assume one of them is objectively incorrect by foregoing more worth for the reciprocation--a patently ridiculous thing to try and claim.

As mentioned earlier, cultural relativism features heavily in trying to handwave inequalities away. To simply define inequalities out of existence and then blame shortcomings on discrimination. The relativists assert that every culture deserves "equal respect" and in some cases to be preserved, to the point where ebonics is considered a legitimate branch of linguistics instead of an aberration to the English language.

The irony, of course, is that such cultural entrenchment advocated by the relativists and their social justice acolytes usually leads to more poverty. Hispanics who learn English earn a lot more money than those who don't, and we see the success in the willingness to develop culturally in Japan; no country was more painfully aware of how behind the curve they were than Japan in the 1800s. Can you imagine where the Japanese would be now if they had been told that their shortcomings were the result of discrimination, and been shoved into a special little box by the adherents of identity politics.

And, on a very fundamental level, what cuts to the heart of it all is envy. A subtle, malicious form of envy. This idea that the economy is zero-sum, and that the prosperous must be in their position at the less prosperous's expense, and that the rich must accordingly be brought down for the sake of social justice. Studies of poor and primitive societies have found one, all-pervasive cultural more behind such poverty: the fear of inducing envy in neighbours and family through success (chapter 4).

We've seen this attitude of slighting the fortunate simply for the sake of it all throughout history. Following Romania's acquisition of territory after the defeat of the Central Powers, which included culturally German and Hungarian universities, the government made it a top priority to remove ethnically German and Hungarian students from such universities. All despite the fact that the Romanian population at the time were 75pc illiterate, and thus the Germans nor Hungarians were denying them the prospect of higher education.

Again, in the 1960s following Nigeria's independence. Many professionals, entrepreneurs and bureaucrats in northern Nigeria were from southern tribes, and thus northern political leaders made it a goal to remove them from their posts even if that meant accepting the services of European expatriates or having poorer services nonetheless.

And we see it today in this ridiculous "soak the rich" attitude arguing for excessive rates of taxation on the puerile notion that nobody deserves so much money. And this sort of pandering bullshit has even entered into academia with John Rawls' A Theory of Justice, which declares that any initiative to improve society cannot be accepted unless it improves the worst-off also. . . Even if it doesn't make them any worse off than they already are.

Which also highlights the facile nature of proclamations in the name of "social justice", about how the rich oppress the poor and keep them down. It requires a non-factual, static economy to make sense. Not only are definition of poverty inadequate, as 66pc of the "impoverished" have air conditioning, over half own a car or truck and hundreds of thousands have homes valued at more than $150,000, but inhabitance of the poorest quintile is transient at best. Just 3pc of Americans remain in the bottom quintile for as long as eight years.

And, again, this idea that the rich are some kind of aristorcratic oppressors is egregiously facile. A 1996 study found that 80pc of millionaires are first-generation affluent--exactly the same as in 1892. Not to mention, just 3.5pc of the population has a stable net worth of over $1 million dollars.

And indeed, when it comes to the functioning of society, egregious inefficiencies can be introduced when those making decisions are infected by similar attitudes of envy as cultural relativism and social justice promote in tandem. A former Ivy-league admissions officer, for example, encouraged applicants to "deemphasise" their privileged backgrounds just in case they "rub the admissions people the wrong way" (pp. 117-118).

And we see the same in education, when the mentally retarded are "mainstreamed" into normal classrooms simply on the basis that they can't help their disadvantages, with no regard for the trade-off of sometimes substantial costs and imperceptible benefits. It works in reverse too, as a fourth-grader who scored higher than the average high school graduate on his SAT for maths was denied access to higher-level material by the principle on the grounds that it would be "a violation to social justice".

It is exactly through these mechanisms of assigning cultural, geographic or demographic faults to the agency of some sort of "oppressor class" that cultural relativists, adherents to identity politics and proponents of social justice cause the problem of social entrenchment and a regression from the potential of improvement. It's a disgusting idea, and I hope it dies quickly.

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The Flood / Re: Mashallah brothers
« on: May 05, 2015, 06:04:33 AM »
Fucking Mudslimes.

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Serious / Re: If you can't speak English, you shouldn't be voting
« on: May 05, 2015, 06:01:41 AM »
This can't be an official Labour ad, is it?
Looks like it.

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The Flood / Re: Man, fuck people
« on: May 05, 2015, 05:24:37 AM »
the level of #rekt in this thread is enormous

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The Flood / Re: Lol, grandma just figured out I smoke
« on: May 05, 2015, 04:58:08 AM »
Is she disappointed in you now?
No, she was actually laughing when she let on that she knew.

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Serious / If you can't speak English, you shouldn't be voting
« on: May 05, 2015, 04:32:04 AM »


Look at this fucking bullshit, fuck you labour.

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The Flood / Lol, grandma just figured out I smoke
« on: May 05, 2015, 04:17:36 AM »
Three months.

Was a good run.

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Serious / Re: I feel I am becoming a Buddhist. I like it! : D
« on: May 05, 2015, 01:58:06 AM »
Oh God, I think we just fucking broke Verb.

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The Flood / Re: I've been pretty MIA, missed me?
« on: May 05, 2015, 01:56:41 AM »
Well, obviously economics is a stronger science because of it's resources and brainwashing.
:3
My tommies are so fucking crunched right now, you wouldn't even believe.

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Gaming / Re: Halo: Reach is objectively the best Halo Game
« on: May 05, 2015, 01:51:53 AM »
>Halo 2
>Halo CE
>Halo 3
>Halo 3: ODST
>Halo Reach
>Halo Wars
>Halo 4

The only correct ranking.

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Goddamn.

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Bitch, you tryin' ta say summin'?
You need a better alt, Mr P.

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The Flood / Re: Man, fuck people
« on: May 04, 2015, 10:24:09 PM »
So, who pissed you off today?
Your mother's sizeable todger.

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ITT we see Meta trying to court Kitsunekun by insulting her intellect and chosen field of study. Very alpha.


I'm so alpha, I don't even care you figured me out.

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You would think education would require a higher IQ
Have you seen the state of our schools?

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enigmatic.
Get that fucking French-talk out of here. I don't speak cheese-eating surrender monkey.

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What I want to know is why you care or are at least acting like you care.


Well, that's just it, isn't it.

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>implying that IQ is relevant to anything
Fuck off, IQ denier.

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The Flood / Why women in college and psychology majors both suck
« on: May 04, 2015, 10:15:48 PM »
Women disproportionately choose lower-IQ and lower-paying fields:


Also:
The average IQ for philosophy/economics students is 128-129.

Whereas the average IQ for psychology students is 113.

Do you feel inferior, yet?


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The Flood / Re: I've been pretty MIA, missed me?
« on: May 04, 2015, 10:12:20 PM »
Ew, it's the psychology major.

Away, foul beast!


Oh hi Meta!
Why are you against psychology majors?
The inferiority of psychology of a social science compared to economics.

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Serious / Re: "Draw Muhammad" shooting in Garland Texas
« on: May 04, 2015, 10:05:01 PM »
Let's get one thing straight.

Terrorism, hate crime and related ideologies are not a function of economic deprivation, social exclusion or mental illness.
Not trying to argue, but do you know of a link that debunks these myths?
Oh God, I'm going to have to trawl through my database of links at 4 in the morning.

I'll just give you an NBER paper on the issue:
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The paper investigates whether there is a causal link between poverty or low education and participation in politically motivated violence and terrorist activities. After presenting a discussion of theoretical issues, we review evidence on the determinants of hate crimes. This literature finds that the occurrence of hate crimes is largely independent of economic conditions. Next we analyze data on support for attacks against Israeli targets from public opinion polls conducted in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. These polls indicate that support for violent attacks does not decrease among those with higher education and higher living standards. The core contribution of the paper is a statistical analysis of the determinants of participation in Hezbollah militant activities in Lebanon. The evidence we have assembled suggests that having a living standard above the poverty line or a secondary school or higher education is positively associated with participation in Hezbollah. We also find that Israeli Jewish settlers who attacked Palestinians in the West Bank in the early 1980s were overwhelmingly from high-paying occupations. The conclusion speculates on why economic conditions and education are largely unrelated to participation in, and support for, terrorism.

I'll find more if you want, but I really can't be bothered unless you're going to have an existential crisis if I don't.

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The Flood / Re: I've been pretty MIA, missed me?
« on: May 04, 2015, 09:59:27 PM »
Ew, it's the psychology major.

Away, foul beast!

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The Flood / Re: What's the worst country in the world?
« on: May 04, 2015, 09:56:41 PM »
>being this entitled

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The Flood / Re: Man, fuck people
« on: May 04, 2015, 09:55:59 PM »
How very teenage facebook drama queen of you to post that.
MATE YOU JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND ME

NOBODY UNDERSTANDS ME

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