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The Flood / Re: TIL hugbox
« on: June 03, 2015, 06:03:34 PM »
Ayy I'd rape your girl Jay all night

Nice and slow just how she like it get at me bitch

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The Flood / Re: TIL hugbox
« on: June 03, 2015, 06:01:11 PM »
Oh, you're that dipshit. You being from this shithole explains a lot about that encounter.
Lol, the pseudo-intellectual graces us with his presence.

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Serious / Re: if gender is a social construct
« on: June 03, 2015, 05:55:12 PM »
I'm starting to think gender dysphoria is the result of some physiological or psychological imbalance that causes general unhappiness with ones sex regardless of sex, since 20pc regret sexual reassignment and 40pc still go on to commit suicide.

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The Flood / Re: UN Game X
« on: June 03, 2015, 05:52:05 PM »
Population boost, expected to reach 1 million in 10 years (If food production rises to support it)
Medieval economies are fundamentally Malthusian, if you don't make suitable investments in agriculture then your population will be forced down to subsistence-level farming until its number reduces or agricultural output increases.


I'm packing it in for the night, will make some retroactive decisions tomorrow.

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The Flood / Re: Weirdest site you've found on the deep/dark web?
« on: June 03, 2015, 05:01:54 PM »
Fuck you, OP.

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The Flood / Re: UN Game X
« on: June 03, 2015, 05:00:47 PM »
England extends the hand of economic friendship to Germany, as well as the offer of financial support from the Crown Bank.

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The Flood / Re: UN Game X
« on: June 03, 2015, 04:57:15 PM »
The Crown Bank begins investing in infrastructure around iron and silver mines. Raugraves are also encouraged to allow husbandmen to operate the mines rent-free, and to pay a 5pc income tax to the Crown Bank. Reforms expected to be complete by page 10.

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The Flood / Re: UN Game X
« on: June 03, 2015, 04:49:48 PM »
England establishes chartered Lesser Banks across the countries, with Jewish immigrants from Rouen taking up key positions. This improves financial intermediation and investment in the country, especially within the Free Cities, although efficiency gains would be made by a free banking system.

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Serious / Re: if gender is a social construct
« on: June 03, 2015, 04:41:12 PM »
That's the social construct argument. "There is nothing about men that makes them necessarily manly." Precisely what I've been saying. Perhaps I wasn't clear enough, perhaps I didn't argue it well enough, but that's all I've been saying.
That's not usually the iteration of the argument I come across; whenever I see it, it's usually claiming that gendered behaviour has no biological basis whatsoever. My argument is that there's nothing necessarily masculine about men, but the biological causes of masculine gender are more heavily correlated with the male sex for a variety of reasons and then people jump me for it.

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Serious / Re: if gender is a social construct
« on: June 03, 2015, 04:31:43 PM »
If all men were born "girly" and all women were born "manly" from this point forward, our perception of the binary would shift, after we got used to it. "Manly" traits wouldn't be so "manly" anymore.
So forget the label "manly" or "masculine". It has no bearing on whether or not the behavioural things we see are the result of biological causes; nobody is saying that there is something about men that makes them necessarily manly, we're just saying that whatever gendered behaviour we see, it has some biological foundation and just happens to correlate with the sexes.

The correlation is why masculine traits are masculine, but it's got nothing to do with the biological causation of gendered behaviour.

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The Flood / Me singing Minnie the Moocher by Cab Calloway
« on: June 03, 2015, 04:25:59 PM »
YouTube

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The Flood / Re: UN Game X
« on: June 03, 2015, 04:25:41 PM »
will complete massive overhaul of infrastructure; public works like hospitals and schools will be fully functional; huge increase in average mortality rate as well as decrease in infant mortality rate; commodities like food and water will be largely subsidized and localized; will have a strong and healthy generation of 50,000 Ethiopian citizens by page 8
Two years is way too short a time; page 12 would be more appropriate for an infrastructural overhaul like that.

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Serious / Re: if gender is a social construct
« on: June 03, 2015, 04:22:58 PM »
Which is, again, arbitrary.
Correlations like this are not arbitrary.

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Serious / Re: if gender is a social construct
« on: June 03, 2015, 04:17:11 PM »
There sre of course outliers and those who diviate from the norm
And it's these outliers that disprove the entire notion that gender is biological.
But they don't; biological abnormalities don't refute the causal relationship we see. I honestly don't really know how you came to this conclusion. If a female is behaving in a masculine way because of testosterone, that is still a behavioural trait being influenced by biology. What makes it masculine is the correlation between certain traits and the male sex.

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Serious / Re: if gender is a social construct
« on: June 03, 2015, 04:13:22 PM »
outside of the biological
Not if you can demonstrate a causal relationship between the underlying biology and the behavioural observations. That's why there's an entire debate about this in the first place.

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You haven't done it
Did you read my post with all the links?

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It's just like pointing out that men and women have different sexual organs, and that makes them behave differently because they produce different hormones.
Except that is an argument and you haven't refuted it. If gender is behavioural, and there are obvious behavioural differences as a result of underlying biological causes then the behaviour is a result of biology to some extent.

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Well, no shit. That's a biological happening that doesn't have anything to do with gender.
All you're doing is literally defining biology out of gender altogether, despite the fact that there is no basis for this. The fact that the thing in question may be behavioural or socially influenced to some degree doesn't preclude it from having biological causes.

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if testosterone was truly a male-exclusive hormone, it wouldn't have any effect whatsoever in a female body, and vice-versa.
That doesn't hold; the point is that there is a correlation between levels of testosterone and the male sex. Nobody ever questions the existence of "outliers".

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The Flood / Re: TIL hugbox
« on: June 03, 2015, 04:07:18 PM »
Wait, what?

Has anybody told Mister Mekotur, yet?

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The Flood / Re: UN Game X
« on: June 03, 2015, 04:01:26 PM »
The Crown Bank announces a rate of 3pc annual interest on the 500,000 groat loan, with the expectation that Sweden will pay off her debt by page 10.

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The Flood / Re: UN Game X
« on: June 03, 2015, 03:59:19 PM »
England brings its troop numbers back up to pre-Scotland invasion levels, expected completion by page 7.

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Serious / Re: if gender is a social construct
« on: June 03, 2015, 03:58:27 PM »
You can't bring up biology.
Why not?

Gender is fundamentally socio-behavioural; if you can demonstrate a causal relationship between gender and biological sex there's no non-sequitur.

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Serious / Re: if gender is a social construct
« on: June 03, 2015, 03:44:35 PM »
I'm just going to bow out of this debate now.

Partly because this is a relatively uninteresting area to me, but mostly because I want to see where Verby and Dragon take this >.>

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Serious / Re: if gender is a social construct
« on: June 03, 2015, 03:27:18 PM »
We can't demonstrate what is "masculine" behavior or "feminine" behavior.
Obviously we can. Planned Parenthood does a good job. Of course we can say males are demonstrably more competitive than females, or aggressive or whatever trait you're looking at.

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Serious / Re: if gender is a social construct
« on: June 03, 2015, 03:20:37 PM »
Oh, right, it's something that we've come to define through social gravity.
So?

If I see gazelles move quickly, and then define gazelles as fast, I'm hardly imposing some socially constructed view on the gazelles. The fact that we've defined masculinity is an utterly uninteresting point; we've defined everything.

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The Flood / Re: Kitten thread
« on: June 03, 2015, 03:07:27 PM »
The puss cat

Goddamn that's a fat cat.

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Serious / Re: if gender is a social construct
« on: June 03, 2015, 03:02:04 PM »
No, gender isn't a social construct. I've no doubt certain social pressures exert significant influence over gendered behaviour, but all the evidence I've seen points to a fairly solid biological basis of the genders.

For instance, girls with congenital adrenal hyperplasia, while being raised as girls, still exhibited higher-than-normal levels of masculine behaviour. A study of eighteen male "pseudohermaphrodites" whose genitals were deformed at birth (and so were raised as girls), all exhibited masculine behaviour apart from one who was however institutionalised for gender-related mental illness. Another study of fourteen male babies who were re-assigned female at birth due to cloacal exstrophy conducted a follow-up for the subjects between the age of five and twelve; eight of them identified as boys, and all of them had at least moderately masculine traits.

This is, of course, complemented by the economic research which shows a higher degree of auto-segregation among gender egalitarian countries, as well as the higher degree of personality divergence in industrialised, egalitarian societies.

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The Flood / Re: Kitten thread
« on: June 03, 2015, 02:46:47 PM »
I love kittens.

Spoiler

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That's fucking rich coming from you.
How? I make a thread about an Islamaphobic woman getting charged with making terroristic threats and then he thinks its appropriate to generalise the victims of the Garland shooting with an incredibly broad-brush for no other reason than to score his cheap political points.

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Serious / Re: My city is meddling with the minimum wage
« on: June 03, 2015, 02:40:51 PM »
there's no shortage of housing here. there's fucktons of new houses and apartment buildings, both finished and being built, all over the city.
Can't find any data on this at the moment, so I can't comment.

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you think a company would willingly pay $11 when they only have to pay $9?
Depends on the kind of company, level of turnover, et cetera. But it wouldn't surprise me, given the downward-stickiness of nominal wages.

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Serious / Re: My city is meddling with the minimum wage
« on: June 03, 2015, 02:37:16 PM »
lower the wage: people cant eat or live anyway
Are you forgetting the EITC, y'know, exists?

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b-buh islamaphobia does not real cause all muslims are suicide bombers
-''victims'' of a texas terrorist attack in which nobody but said terrorists died
Holy shit did you have to drag that in here? Like, if you want to have a discussion about Islamaphobia, fine. But don't shoehorn your own biases into my thread in the most juvenile way possible.

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Serious / Re: My city is meddling with the minimum wage
« on: June 03, 2015, 02:34:01 PM »
Cost of living is going up
Because of the shortage of housing.

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and wages are going down.
Slashing the minimum wage doesn't mean wages will go down.

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