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The Flood / Re: Upset: my best friend is leaving today
« on: June 11, 2015, 05:48:34 PM »
What's this about Flee.

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The Flood / Re: Let Me Be Your Princess
« on: June 11, 2015, 05:43:50 PM »
but not imply he was going to rape me.
Just testing the waters.

What about "Show me your tits or I'll hang your first-born son from the tree in your front garden on his fifth birthday?"

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The Flood / Re: Let Me Be Your Princess
« on: June 11, 2015, 05:40:38 PM »
You're creepy
I'm Challenger's stand-in.

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The Flood / Re: Let Me Be Your Princess
« on: June 11, 2015, 05:36:51 PM »
If you don't PM me a picture of your tits I will hunt you down and fuck you bloody.

Non-consensually.

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Serious / Re: Getting angry about oil spills
« on: June 11, 2015, 05:15:16 PM »
I think I saw a report somewhere that said something about G7 leaders agreeing to faze out fossil fuel use by 2100.
That'll be too late to stop runaway climate change, anyway.

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Serious / Re: Getting angry about oil spills
« on: June 11, 2015, 05:02:31 PM »
I was thinking about something similar earlier. Anybody remember that Youtube video where that long-haired hippie fuck in a classroom was having a go at a teacher for not "inspiring" her students or some shit like that.

What a load of idealistic horseshit, honestly. Teachers aren't there to inspire you and give you some great motivational epiphany for you to succeed in life, they're there to teach for fuck's sake. My grades, for instance, aren't as good as they could be because I'm lazy. I can't revise because it bores me to tears and I don't have the willpower to make up for that, and it's my fault.

Why can't people just sit the fuck down and take some responsibility?

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Serious / UK terror watchdog calls for new law on surveillance powers
« on: June 11, 2015, 04:51:36 PM »
BBC.

David Anderson basically gets it right, here. I agree that the scope of powers the intelligence community has (yes, including the bulk collection of metadata) are legitimate and should remain. However, the reforms Anderson mentions are more than sensible.

Judges should absolutely be the ones warranting searches of the collected metadata, not politicians, and all of the safeguards ought to be collected in one piece of legislation.

I will be greatly disillusioned if the current government doesn't live up to this.

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Serious / Re: Black People vs Niggers
« on: June 11, 2015, 04:45:44 PM »
We're rampant anti-statists and anti-religious-doctrine libertarian circlejerkers. Get it fucking right.
Speak for yourself.

NSA can have as much of my metadata as it wants.

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Serious / Former Swedish PM: "Sweden belongs to the immigrants"
« on: June 11, 2015, 02:27:09 PM »
Google translate. Actual article. A bit old, but worth paying attention to.
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The Moderates outgoing party leader Fredrik Reinfeldt broke the silence and before Christmas Eve, and made a new leftist statement with regards to the upcoming re-election. The former prime minister now claims that Sweden's borders are fictional and that Sweden belongs to the immigrants who come here - not the Swedes.
The statements was made based on the planned new elections next year and Reinfeldt confirmed Mattias Karlsson (SD) perception, that elections are primarily a vote on immigration.
– It's an election on what kind of a country Sweden wants to be Reinfeldt told TV4.
– Is this a land owned by those who have lived here for three or four generations or is Sweden is what the people who come here in mid-life make it to be and developing it to be? He asked rhetorically.
– For me it is obvious, that it should be the latter and that an open society is both stronger and better, said Reinfeldt.
In connection with TV4's "Nyhetsmorgon" during the morning of Christmas Eve he went even further, claiming that Sweden's borders are only imaginary.
– What kind of a country is Sweden? Is it owned by those who lived here for four generations or those made up some kind of border? He said condescendingly.
Then he said that the Swedes are uninteresting as an ethnic group and that it is instead the immigrants who create the new Sweden.
–What the immigrants do in Sweden makes Sweden, he claimed.

Yes, Sweden is a fucking utopia we should all strive to emulate. I mean, really? I'm incredibly pro-immigration and even I find this really quite annoying. Is this how far the rot of cultural relativism has spread? No wonder parties like UKIP, Front National and the Sweden Democrats are becoming more popular.

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The Flood / Re: what if cheat has been lying to us this whole time?
« on: June 11, 2015, 02:06:36 PM »
holy shit

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Serious / Black People vs Niggers
« on: June 11, 2015, 01:59:03 PM »
YouTube

I absolutely love this skit by Chris Rock, and I think he nails quite a few things right on the head.

It's pretty amazing, too, how this kind of comedy couldn't really be performed nowadays without the "college liberal" establishment lambasting him for racism or some other ridiculous charge.

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The Flood / Re: I can't read this Cheat
« on: June 11, 2015, 01:50:23 PM »
It's all that fucking gook shit you've been watching.

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The Flood / Re: Verb's Words of the Day (#2)
« on: June 11, 2015, 01:18:06 PM »
I feel smart because I knew all of those words.

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The Flood / Re: Upset: my best friend is leaving today
« on: June 11, 2015, 11:31:03 AM »
You ok?

Not going to do anything stupid are you?

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The Flood / Re: Mostly everyone on this forum is a phony
« on: June 11, 2015, 09:44:23 AM »
Well know I'm just sad.

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The Flood / Re: Sir Christopher Lee is dead
« on: June 11, 2015, 07:32:58 AM »
overpopulation problems.


Yeah, okay Malthus.

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The Flood / Re: Sir Christopher Lee is dead
« on: June 11, 2015, 07:26:13 AM »
god damn

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Serious / Re: Favourite theologian, atheist and philosopher?
« on: June 11, 2015, 07:15:43 AM »
but you'd be hard-pressed to find another theologian with such a profound impact on the subject to this day.
Sure, but when it comes down to personal preference I just don't find influence that compelling a reason to hold him in high esteem.

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Serious / Re: Let's talk about killing as a form of punishment.
« on: June 11, 2015, 06:26:53 AM »
These ideas that we "become" killers when we kill them is so bloody facile. We kill people every day, in foreign lands with government-sanctioned weaponry. Intentions matter, and the executioner who takes the life of a murderer will never be as immoral as the murderer himself.

That said, only terrorists should be subject to the death penalty. Not as a form of punishment, but as a way of simply removing undesirable, foreign combatants.

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Serious / Re: Favourite theologian, atheist and philosopher?
« on: June 10, 2015, 08:02:59 PM »
Is it that such details are being discussed at all?
Essentially. It hardly looks like mere "musing" to me, and there's absolutely no way Augustine could have that sort of knowledge.

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Did God created evil to fulfill a purpose or is it an innate deprivation of His character in humanity? They're not necessarily in conflict if you think that the world as we know it, including the Fall, is exactly how God originally intended, then you see that they're both discussing different sides of the same coin.
As far as I understand it, Augustine never saw suffering as part of God's plan. He saw it quite explicitly as a result of man's disobedience and moral depravity. Is the immoral exercise of free will necessarily distinct from teleological evil or suffering? No, of course not. But like I say, Irenaeus was the one of the two who actually came up with an explanations that seems more philosophically defensible.

I know Schleiermacher criticsed Augustine for the logical contradiction of a world created perfect which was then corrupted--although I don't know if he did it first--and so the Irenaean tradition argues that the world we inhabit is the best possible world God was capable of creating; at least they put some utility in suffering, besides punishment of course, which the Augustinian tradition seemingly has no interest in finding.

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But Irenaeus goes on to talk about how everyone goes to heaven and that the mortal world is basically puberty for humanity to transcend into deities themselves, and that's pretty silly in my humble opinion. He has absolutely no biblical basis for that conclusion.
Sure, and like I say I'll give Augustine and his successors like Karl Barth credit for actually sticking to it. But when it comes down to personal preference I much prefer Irenaeus and Schleiermacher, even if they did subscribe to universalism unjustifiably. Although I don't think Irenaeus claimed humanity transcends into deities so much as succeeds in fulfilling the likeness of God, which does have a Biblical basis.

Not a fan of John Hick, though.

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The Flood / Re: Verb's Words of the Day
« on: June 10, 2015, 07:40:57 PM »
This is a salubrious thread.

BITCH
Don't make me defenestrate you.

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The Flood / Re: Verb's Words of the Day
« on: June 10, 2015, 07:37:07 PM »
This actually is interesting.

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The Flood / Re: Websites with horrible yet amazing UIs
« on: June 10, 2015, 07:29:58 PM »
Jesus Christ that website makes me suicidal

http://www.4chan.org/

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The Flood / Re: Meta's porn folder
« on: June 10, 2015, 07:19:33 PM »
You got me.

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Serious / Re: Favourite theologian, atheist and philosopher?
« on: June 10, 2015, 07:18:05 PM »
I've never read anything by Schleiermacher, and I'm not really sure what to say about that debate since City of God really isn't about the afterlife. I think if you're going to call Augustine's theodicy "nonsense" you have to do something to qualify it, and while I sincerely don't mean to be rude, I strongly suspect you're mostly parroting someone else's opinion after a cursory read of the relevant Wikipedia pages.
Pretty certain I've thrown this passage in City of God at you before:

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19. That all bodily blemishes which mar human beauty in this life shall be removed in the resurrection, the natural substance of the body remaining, but the quality and quantity of it being altered so as to produce beauty.

What am I to say now about the hair and nails? Once it is understood that no part of the body shall so perish as to produce deformity in the body, it is at the same time understood that such things as would have produced a deformity by their excessive proportions shall be added to the total bulk of the body, not to parts in which the beauty of the proportion would thus be marred. Just as if, after making a vessel of clay, one wished to make it over again of the same clay, it would not be necessary that the same portion of the clay which had formed the handle should again form the new handle, or that what had formed the bottom should again do so, but only that the whole clay should go to make up the whole new vessel, and that no part of it should be left unused. “Wherefore, if the hair that has been cropped and the nails that have been cut would cause a deformity were they to be restored to their places, they shall not be restored; and yet no one will lose these parts at the resurrection, for they shall be changed into the same flesh, their substance being so altered as to preserve the proportion of the various parts of the body. However, what our Lord said, “Not a hair of your head shall perish,” might more suitably be interpreted of the number, and not of the length of the hairs, as He elsewhere says, “The hairs of your head are all numbered.”

As for his theodicy, it relies on numerous ideas and propositions which just seem indefensible. That the Fall of Man be taken literally, and that future generations ought to suffer because we were apparently "seminally present" in the loins of Adam. That evil is the absence of good. That free will may lead to people committing evil acts, but that it is necessary for a proper relationship with God (the free will part being the part I take issue with). The idea that God created the world perfect, and then it was corrupted through the immoral exercise of said free will. And the reduction of all suffering to either the privation of good or the punishment of the privation of good.

Those are the things which immediately come to mind. And, of course, people tend to say that you can only judge Augustine by the standards of his time. Sure, fair enough, but Irenaeus managed to make a much better job of it than Augustine did despite coming centuries earlier and contemporaries like the Roman philosopher Boethius also had (at least in my eyes) a much better understanding of free will and moral evil.

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The Flood / lemme lay some wisdom on y'all
« on: June 10, 2015, 07:01:08 PM »
your gonna be a man soon aight so dont let no honkey niggers be puttin you down aight nothings gonna stop you carrying on our tradition of being a bunch of self hatin cigendered tranny coongooks aight you gotta be tough you gotta be strong aight to carry on the family name and fuck some whore in the alleyway aight and make her raise your son on her own while you spread you vietnam fucking shit seed all over america aight like genghis fucking khan has come again in the form of a black chinese albanian dwarf aight listen to my mixtape

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The Flood / transgenderism thread
« on: June 10, 2015, 06:48:06 PM »
5 pages and a lot of shit-flinging in t-minus five minutes

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The Flood / Re: What are some pretty good plot twists in movies?
« on: June 10, 2015, 06:47:07 PM »
The power of rock-and-roll is the only weapon Spongebob can use to destroy Plankton's mind-control helmets.

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Serious / Re: Favourite theologian, atheist and philosopher?
« on: June 10, 2015, 06:28:14 PM »
City of God and Confessions are two of the most significant pieces of theology in history.
And most of it, from what I know, seems to be bullshit.

His ideas about the afterlife in City of God are just nonsense, even if they are closer to the Biblical account of life after death than the writings of St. Paul, and his theodicy trying to justify God's righteousness in the face of evil is equally nonsensical.

I'll give him credit for sticking more closely to the doctrine than Irenaeus and Schleiermacher ever did, but at least they came up with a broadly more respectable answer.

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