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4051
« on: July 17, 2015, 01:06:48 PM »
I recently got Angus Deaton's The Great Escape: Health, Wealth and the Origins of Inequality. Also picked up a Maths in Economics textbook for like forty fucking quid.
Friedman's A Monetary History of the United States should also be on the way.
4052
« on: July 17, 2015, 12:44:08 PM »
not if i have anything to say about it
as the dictator, and all
hue Can the physicist tell the fermion what to do?
4053
« on: July 17, 2015, 10:29:26 AM »
tax them into oblivion
All you'll do it hurt workers.
4054
« on: July 17, 2015, 10:15:03 AM »
raise corporate tax
Get out.
4055
« on: July 17, 2015, 10:14:17 AM »
Oh
and abolish the NSA, Patriot act ect
And ban GMOs
Get the fuck out.
Says the guy who wants to get rid of NASA
And re-appropriate the funding to the NSF. . . Which would result in better science research. But MUH SPACE SOOTS rite?
4056
« on: July 17, 2015, 07:21:59 AM »
even if Bernie came out as a serial rapist I'd still vote for him
4057
« on: July 16, 2015, 10:10:36 PM »
what is it about this one
A lot of those other conflicts are based on the same foundation: civilisation vs. fundamentalist Islam. It's no use ignoring Israel and Hamas if you can't ignore Kurdistan, Iraq, Syria, Boko Haram, the various terrorist attacks in Western countries et cetera. And I think, both morally and for your own intellectual sake, one can't ignore any of those conflicts totally. Or, at least, you must affirm your position on the right side of the divide. Those who do not stand with us stand against us by default, there is no neutrality in this war.
4058
« on: July 16, 2015, 10:01:35 PM »
why should i care about the israel/palestine conflict
Why shouldn't you?
4059
« on: July 16, 2015, 09:53:44 PM »
Although the worst part of it all is that the one area where he gets questioned is probably his best area. To be honest, I thought Sanders was being a bit belligerent here but I'm on his side for this one. They were talking some fucking nonsense to him. NOTE: This is from last year.
4060
« on: July 16, 2015, 08:19:06 PM »
Oh
and abolish the NSA, Patriot act ect
And ban GMOs
Get the fuck out.
4061
« on: July 16, 2015, 05:00:46 PM »
No, I browse pretty consistently to be honest.
4062
« on: July 16, 2015, 04:48:50 PM »
All in all this basically just means he made a program that is written to appear like it's aware, when in reality it's just responding to a really small set of inputs.
I thinkthe program was simply "analyse and deal with it", and the impressing thing was that it managed to infer that a part of the signals he received from the outer world was it's own; it wasn't wired to simply check if it's audio worked otherwise this would be pointless. Of course, you know more science than I, so I'm stuck between what you're telling me and what this French dude I know is telling me. The article is pretty sparse, in fairness; it'd be nice to have some more details.
4063
« on: July 16, 2015, 04:37:57 PM »
You could write a java program to do this in like 5 minutes. This is just another example of programs designed to replicate what a self-aware response would be.
I think the point is that the robots (or at least one of them) were capable of discerning whether a particular input was self-created.
4064
« on: July 16, 2015, 04:35:04 PM »
This has nothing to do with just performing something like a quality check, as this is going much deeper through the software process. Here, the robot was not programmed to be able to collect data directly about it's own audio output, but rather only to analyse it's audio input and recognize not only that a robot had spoken, but that the voice it heard was its own, which is the very definition of self awareness. Sure, if that's the only trick it can do it's still not quite yet at true self awareness, but it's a first step, and getting robots to pass this kind of tests without being explicitly programmed for that purpose only would be the dawn of a truly self aware robot.
It's not like a car beeping when the door isn't shut properly. It's nowhere close to this since the door doesn't perform any operation since it's just a sensor wired directly to an alarm, whereas the robot had no direct connection made in it's programming between the signal and the result, and it came to this conclusion while trying to solve the logic problem given to it, and solving it by realizing that the voice it heard was it's own. Which is a success for the self awareness test.
4065
« on: July 16, 2015, 03:55:22 PM »
Amazing.Roboticists at the Ransselaer Polytechnic Institute in New York have built a trio of robots that were put through the classic 'wise men puzzle' test of self-awareness - and one of them passed.
In the puzzle, a fictional king is choosing a new advisor and gathers the three wisest people in the land. He promises the contest will be fair, then puts either a blue or white hat on each of their heads and tells them all that the first person to stand up and correctly deduce the colour of their own hat will become his new advisor.
Selmer Bringsjord set up a similar situation for the three robots - two were prevented from talking, then all three were asked which one was still able to speak. All attempt to say "I don't know", but only one succeeds - and when it hears its own voice, it understands that it was not silenced, saying "Sorry, I know now!"
However, as we can assume that all three robots were coded the same, technically, all three have passed this self-awareness test.
Human-like abilities
It might sound a pretty simple task for a human, but it's not for a robot - the bot must listen to and understand the question, then hear their own voice saying "I don't know" and recognise it as distinct from another robot's voice, then connect that with the original question to conclude that they hadn't been silenced.
Logical puzzles requiring an element of self-awareness like this are essential in building robots that can understand their role in society. By passing many tests of this type, it's hoped that robots will be able to build up a group of human-like abilities that become useful when combined.
Bringsjord's work will be presented at the RO-MAN conference in Japan, which runs from 31 August to 4 September 2015. Oh, you want the correct answer for the wise men puzzle? Well, the only fair contest would be if they were all the same colour!
4066
« on: July 16, 2015, 03:39:19 PM »
For people who don't believe in God atheists sure are afraid of him.
How can I be afraid of an entity which doesn't exist?
4067
« on: July 16, 2015, 03:37:35 PM »
such as? the number of tweaks we'd need to make would result in a new system.
That's an issue of semantics more than anything else, but I was thinking of things like allowing insurers to compete across state lines, reducing/abolishing the health insurance deductible, tweaking Medicaid would probably be a good idea too. Health insurance rates have actually been growing pretty slowly since 2006. The UK has had the fasting growing healthcare costs for some time; the US nose-dived in '02 before dropping below the OECD average in 2006 and stabilising there by around 2010. If Medicare hadn't cut its rates, either, then health insurance costs would've fallen last year (indeed, they did when you control for consumption). Most of the rising costs in the 80s and 90s were associated with technology booms. ACA did a good job of expanding coverage and halving maximum out-of-pocket costs, but it won't do much for overall costs. But healthcare isn't exactly my favourite area in economics, and I don't know as much as I should, so y'know pinch of salt and all that.
4068
« on: July 16, 2015, 03:21:38 PM »
The problem with the system was the system.
. . . That's just fucking facile. That's like saying "the problem with crime is that it's crime". You either being deliberately obtuse, or you really didn't understand what I meant when I said without throwing out the whole system. I mean you could tweak it and get some very positive results without going overboard and just going down a different route entirely.
4069
« on: July 16, 2015, 03:12:55 PM »
I don't think you understand how fucking shit our healthcare system was before the ACA Yeah, I do. But so what? Doesn't mean you throw it all to the wind and go single-payer "just 'cause". Hell, you could probably make several reforms to the US healthcare system to improve it drastically, without changing the entire system.
4070
« on: July 16, 2015, 03:00:13 PM »
Supporting single payer healthcare is lunatic-level, now?
I was thinking more about his minimum wage proposals, but yeah single-payer is pretty fucking crappy at the end of the day. If Britain can't administer a single-payer system with any competence, then the US government sure as shit can't. SHI systems like those in Germany have much better outcomes, usually for lower costs.
4071
« on: July 16, 2015, 02:51:39 PM »
Sanders calling for single payer healthcare and raising the minimum wage.
Sanders is still a fucking lunatic for both of those things. And then of course there's all the HURR DURR WALL STREET rhetoric that he doesn't stop with, and his bullshit infrastructure and tax plans. Trump is just par the course when it comes to the Republicans, and so is Sanders with the Democrats. Trump is no doubt more reprehensible as a person, but that's just because he's picked the conservative poison; Sanders' liberal poison is no less toxic.
4072
« on: July 16, 2015, 01:24:34 PM »
Apparently once the final parts of the Lisbon treaty have been applied, a majority of other EU countries would have to give a majority vote in order for a country to have permission to leave. Jesus Christ. It's not clear whether this is actually the case at the moment, so I was hoping somebody could shed some light.
4073
« on: July 16, 2015, 01:21:33 PM »
There's "I disagree", then there's "HOLY SHIT Y'ALL HAVE GONE OFF THE DEEP END" which the GOP clearly has.
Yeah, but when I look at it, both sides have gone off the deep end. You only think you haven't gone of the deep end because we're discussing your chosen candidate, which exactly the same thought process Trump supporters have. 2016 is just looking to be a shit election year all round at this rate (although, as Icy said, it could all change), because neither side can see just how fucking nuts they are. If it ends up with the presidency being a race between Sanders and Trump (which I highly doubt, but I wouldn't rule it out, per se) and were I American I'd just vote for a third party.
4074
« on: July 16, 2015, 11:54:18 AM »
And republicans talk shit about democrats supporting hillary or bernie.
lol.
Sit the fuck down.
How does one wrong justify another wrong? Both sides are being fucking dumb at the moment.
4075
« on: July 16, 2015, 08:53:48 AM »
I honestly thought the whole thing about Canadian police asking politely was a myth.
4076
« on: July 16, 2015, 08:50:01 AM »
He was intimidating to speak to, because of his unwaveringly austere tone, and his louquacious, sesquipedalian verbiage.
So, Meta.
you better believe it baby
4077
« on: July 16, 2015, 08:08:25 AM »
It won't last.
Hopefully Bush takes it.
4078
« on: July 15, 2015, 06:53:25 PM »
can i just kill the rich
(ง ͠° ͟ل͜ ͡°)ง
4079
« on: July 15, 2015, 06:18:59 PM »
Damn you, Meta. I was going to make a thread similar to this, albeit, less technical.
Ah, go ahead and make it. I'll still be interested.
4080
« on: July 15, 2015, 06:06:49 PM »
Can't I just execute a bunch of people for fun?
After you've dealt with the policy requirements.
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