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Serious / Re: "Gender neutral"
« on: September 13, 2015, 06:21:24 PM »
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I refuse to accept the definition of gender sociologists peddle; it's much more reasonable to define gender in terms of 'gendered behaviour' relative to certain masculine or feminine traits, which arise--probably mostly--from biology. Redefining gender into something wholly social might be useful in terms of the sex-gender distinction, but it seems to lead most people away from the underlying causes of personality and behavioural differences between masculine and feminine individuals.

And, no, Verbatim, you and I are not discussing this again. 


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Serious / Re: "Gender neutral"
« on: September 13, 2015, 06:17:31 PM »
Since gender is a societal concept
Oh my God, die.

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Serious / Re: What the FUCK NYT???
« on: September 13, 2015, 11:26:32 AM »
Abstain.
Which then misses out the possibility of a good consequence for a stupid reason.

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Serious / Re: What the FUCK NYT???
« on: September 13, 2015, 11:23:02 AM »
Elaborate.
Let's say you vote for something stupid for a stupid reason.

Let's say you vote for something stupid for a good reason.

Let's say you vote for something good for a stupid reason.

I'd take the third option each and every time.

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Serious / Re: What the FUCK NYT???
« on: September 13, 2015, 11:18:15 AM »
Religious affiliation should not be a viable reason for any vote, good or bad, on any bill.
I agree in principle, but I'm rather more concerned with the consequences. If the Iran nuclear deal fell through because of a bunch of Islamaphobic Jewish senators, it would still result in the (assumed) positive consequence of the deal not taking place.

The difference between that and your example is that it'd be utterly fucking stupid to make the pig America's national animal.

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Serious / Re: What the FUCK NYT???
« on: September 13, 2015, 10:39:44 AM »
several of the members are voting how they are due to their religious affiliation.
Or maybe they just oppose the deal?

And to be honest, I don't blame Jewish senators for not wanting to be diplomatic in a nuclear deal with an aggressively anti-Semitic rogue state.

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The Flood / Re: My mom just bought me 60 condoms for university
« on: September 13, 2015, 10:36:45 AM »
GOT EM

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The Flood / Re: My mom just bought me 60 condoms for university
« on: September 13, 2015, 10:36:23 AM »
And you'll have 60 when you come back home.
Damn right.

I fuck bareback, unlike faggots such as yourself.

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The Flood / My mom just bought me 60 condoms for university
« on: September 13, 2015, 07:27:06 AM »
20 regular, 20 ribbed and 20 flavoured.

What the fuck is wrong with my family.

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what is the appeal of these games
Fun and challenging games that make you think.
lots of games do that

Then it shouldn't be hard to comprehend why people like them.
MOOOOOOOOM

GET THE CAMERA

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Serious / Re: What the FUCK NYT???
« on: September 13, 2015, 06:23:41 AM »
What the fuck?

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Serious / Re: Your thoughts on 9/11
« on: September 12, 2015, 02:40:47 PM »
The people begged the emperor to surrender because they feared for his life, not because they didn't want to die themselves.
Shit, seriously?

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Serious / Jeremy Corbyn SUCKS
« on: September 12, 2015, 12:30:49 PM »
So I found this Guardian article which actually provides a nice summary of his views.

The Economy:
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Corbyn is opposed to austerity and plans to bring down the deficit by growing the economy and taxing the wealthy instead.
I'm not opposed to being anti-austerity in principle. I've moderated my views on austerity a lot from a year ago. However, taxing the wealthy isn't a viable plan when it comes to closing the deficit; an income tax rate of fifty percent scrapes the top of the laffer curve, and by our best estimates it would raise around £100 million. This is pocket change to the national government. Capital gains tax? Chamley-Judd and Atkinson-Stiglitz both try and show that zero taxation, while work which finds a positive optimal rate puts it in the area of eight percent.

Corbyn hits a lot of the right notes when it comes to the British economy--such as our depressed productivity--but his solutions seem rather woeful.

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He intends to introduce a “people’s quantitative easing”, which would allow the Bank of England to print money to invest in large-scale housing, energy, transport and digital projects, partly through a national investment bank.
A national investment bank is a good idea, but affiliating it with the Bank of England is not. There are serious risks to both the Bank's independence and policy implementation coming from "People's QE". Not to mention it was designed by an accountant, and there is absolutely zero evidence that it would help anything in the long-run even if implemented effectively.

"People's Quantitative Easing" is snake oil.

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Corbyn says he will fund this by reducing the “tax gap” and ending corporate tax reliefs.
Corporation tax should be abolished. Plain and simple.

Taxes:
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Corbyn says there is £20bn in tax debt uncollected by HMRC every year and another £20bn in tax avoidance and a further £80bn in tax evasion that needs to be addressed.
Utter nonsense.

Education:
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Corbyn has proposed a National Education Service, which he says would be “every bit as vital and as free at the point of use as our NHS”. The service would begin with universal childcare, give more power to local authorities, rethink the role of free schools and academies, introduce a minimum wage for apprentices and put more money into adult learning.
How the fuck is he going to fund universal childcare?

I also don't know why you'd want to introduce a minimum wage for apprentices, since the whole point of them is that they build experience not yet acquired. Targeted government transfers? Sure, but a minimum wage seems to defeat the object of apprenticeships in the first place.

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Corbyn has said he will also look at abolishing the charitable status of private schools but admitted it would be “very difficult to do”.
On the contrary, we really should be encouraging private education via tax credits to families. Taxing profits is a dumb idea in the first place, but I have no idea why anybody would think it a good idea to tax schools' profits especially.

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He wants to scrap tuition fees
Dumb, dumb and more fucking dumb. The repayment system for HE fees in the UK is actually very reasonable and progressive than the prior alternative; scrapping fees would only really help those with the largest eventual debt burden  (the rich). Not to mention, countries like Germany that manage to get away with "free" higher education only do so by barring 40-50pc of the population from getting a degree.

And look at Scotland: free higher education has essentially just become the subsidisation of the middle class's aspirations.

Housing:
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Corbyn would introduce rent controls in expensive places
Insanely stupid, and would result in worse quality housing.

Immigration:
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Corbyn has consistently argued that immigration is not a drain on the economy and has campaigned on behalf of asylum seekers
Credit where credit is due.

Defence:
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Corbyn intends to withdraw from Nato and opposes the renewal of the Trident nuclear deterrent.
Fucking why? What would that accomplish? The vast majority of maritime and geostrategists have argued for the importance of NATO and nuclear weapons.

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He is in favour of unilateral nuclear disarmament and has called for a “radically different international policy” based on “political and not military solutions”.
Right, so his foreign policy amounts to all the countries of the world linking hands around a big tree and singing Kumba-fucking-ya.

Public ownership:
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Corbyn plans to renationalise the energy companies to bring energy prices back down.
Yes, and we all saw how well a nationalised energy sector with political incentives worked out back in the 70s and 80s. The current malaise in the energy sector is due to too much state involvement, not too little; prices were at their lowest point in the late 1990s, when the market was at its most liberalised.

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Corbyn also plans to renationalise the railways
FUCKING WHY?

Healthcare:
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Corbyn has promised a “fully funded NHS, integrated with social care, with an end to privatisation in health”. His website states that the “principle of universal healthcare which is free at the point of use is something that we all deserve and should be absolutely protected.”
Not only is there nothing magical about a service being free at the point of use, but only somebody who has never looked at systems outside of his home country would think a highly-centralised national healthcare system is synonymous with universal healthcare. NHS funding requirements how outstripped economic growth since its establishment, and we know that competition between hospitals improves performance.

This idea that we can have a fully funded, centralised, nationalised healthcare system with no private involvement is a fucking fantasy.

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Corbyn has also pledged to tackle the “mental health crisis” and improve mental health coverage in the country. He will grow rather than cut mental health budgets and ensure mental health education is taught in schools.
Behind him 100pc here.

Gender equality:
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He also wants all companies to publish details of their equal pay arrangements, intends his cabinet to be made up of 50% women and wants to “work towards” 50% of all Labour MPs being women..
No, No, No, NO, NO, FOR FUCK'S SAKE.

Foreign policy:
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Corbyn was opposed to the Iraq war and has suggested that Tony Blair should stand trial as a war criminal over it.
Despite the fact Blair committed no crimes? The only organisation with the authority to rule the Iraq War as criminal has made no such ruling.

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Corbyn has hinted that Britain should seek greater diplomatic relations with Russia. He previously described the Kremlin’s state propaganda channel Russia Today as “more objective on Libya than most” and believes that the Ukraine crisis was caused by the west and Nato.
I don't even know what to say to this.


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Serious / Re: Jeremy Corbyn elected Labour leader
« on: September 12, 2015, 11:23:13 AM »

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So I'm just sat there trying to take over Scotland but I get a cease hostilities order. I wait out the order, attack again and he fucking sends another. If I don't comply, I'll be excommunicated. It's fucking annoying.

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Serious / Re: Is morality objective?
« on: September 12, 2015, 08:13:22 AM »
there's nothing provably wrong about making someone else feel excessively crappy.
There's nothing provably correct about the assertion that I will fall back to Earth if I jump. . .


Unless you have the right epistemic assumptions. This is why I keep comparing it to epistemology; everything relies on a set of assumptions--or a definition--to get off the ground, the key is finding the best definition.

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Serious / Re: Jeremy Corbyn elected Labour leader
« on: September 12, 2015, 08:11:46 AM »
Labour is fucked.

And so is the country if he gets into power.

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Serious / Re: UK subsidises fossil fuels to the tune of £26bn/year
« on: September 12, 2015, 08:10:18 AM »
But I imagine it's a bit of a double edged sword to put a tax/levy like that on fuel producers because that'll hike up costs for everyone and once again fuck over the poorest in society.
The solution being to tax them less in terms of things like income tax (which should really be abolished outright) and NI, if you even think it's worth a solution. A carbon tax is supposed to be there to disincentivise consumption of fossil fuels; it really is rather irrelevant who bears the cost, because the externality is ultimately more burdensome to everybody than £26bn shared across 49 million people.


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Or they'd switch to even cheaper and dodgier ways of producing the stuff to make up the loss <_<
Companies generally don't respond that way to taxation. Even if they did switch to cheaper methods of production, there always in a situation where they could be making more due to the tax; it's a behavioural barrier, essentially. As well as things like regulations, capital costs and production (extraction) costs making that probably incredibly difficult anyway.

What we really need to do is hike up taxes on fossil fuels and bring down the regulatory burden on nuclear.

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Serious / Re: UK subsidises fossil fuels to the tune of £26bn/year
« on: September 12, 2015, 08:01:20 AM »
So just to double check, we aren't actually forking out £26 billion a year it's that the companies producing/using the fuels that are fucking up the health of the population/environment etc are not being kicked hard enough in the bollocks for their practices and the detrimental effect is costing the UK equivalent to that sum?
Essentially.

The negative effects of fossil fuel consumption is equal to £26bn, which means that their activities are essentially under-priced. They are bearing an aggregate cost which is £26bn below the actual cost of their behaviour, making it functionally equivalent to the government just giving them that money.

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Serious / Re: Is morality objective?
« on: September 12, 2015, 07:57:38 AM »
Seems like in a world where no human knowledge is truly factual
Operating from a perspective != all perspectives are equal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postpositivism

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In philosophy and models of scientific inquiry, postpositivism (also called postempiricism) is a metatheoretical stance that critiques and amends positivism. While positivists believe that the researcher and the researched person are independent of each other, postpositivists accept that theories, background, knowledge and values of the researcher can influence what is observed.[1] However, like positivists, postpositivists pursue objectivity by recognizing the possible effects of biases.[1]

Postpositivists believe that human knowledge is based not on unchallengeable, rock-solid foundations, but rather upon human conjectures. As human knowledge is thus unavoidably conjectural, the assertion of these conjectures is warranted, or more specifically, justified by a set of warrants, which can be modified or withdrawn in the light of further investigation. However, postpositivism is not a form of relativism, and generally retains the idea of objective truth.

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Serious / Re: UK subsidises fossil fuels to the tune of £26bn/year
« on: September 12, 2015, 07:56:19 AM »
Is this a good thing? I don't speak moneyspeak.
No, it's awful.

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Serious / Re: Is morality objective?
« on: September 12, 2015, 07:39:24 AM »
So... wouldn't morality be the same way?
Yes, that's the point. For the same reason we have to define the best basis for science before we reach objective facts, we have to define the best basis for morality.

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Serious / UK subsidises fossil fuels to the tune of £26bn/year
« on: September 12, 2015, 07:37:35 AM »
LSE Blogs.

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New figures published by the International Monetary Fund (IMF) show that the UK Government may not be looking in the right place if it wants to cut energy subsidies. The IMF’s latest analysis estimates that the UK will spend about US$41 billion (£26 billion), equivalent to 1.37 per cent of its GDP, on subsidies for fossil fuels this year. The bulk of this total is due to fiscal policies that do not address externalities, such as global warming and local air pollution, caused by the consumption of oil, coal and gas.

The most recent report by the Committee on the Medical Effects of Air Pollutants in 2010 concluded that atmospheric particles from human activities, such as the burning of coal and diesel, cause nearly 29,000 premature deaths in the UK each year. The premature deaths and illnesses caused by air pollution have a damaging effect on the UK economy and the failure to take them into account adequately in UK tax policy represents an effective subsidy, according to the IMF.

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Serious / Reminder that the next Labour leader supported Hugo Chavez
« on: September 11, 2015, 08:55:32 PM »
Since it's pretty much guaranteed Corbyn will win by this point. . .

I fucking wish I'd placed a bet on him.

Anyway:

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An Islington MP paid tribute to controversial Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, who died on Tuesday after a two-year struggle against cancer.

Jeremy Corbyn, MP for Islington North and a member of the Labour Party’s Socialist Campaign Group, was a long-term supporter of the Venezuelan leader, whose struggles against “Western imperialism” have long been documented.

Livingstone was criticised for his close relationship with the Venezuelan leader.

In October 2012, Corbyn and Hackney MP Diane Abbott, along with Grahame Morris, Owen Jones, and ex-Labour MP Colin Burgon, all flew to Venezuela to monitor the country’s presidential elections.

In his post on popular left-wing blog Labourlist entitled ‘Thank you Mr Chavez”, Corbyn praised the late president because he stood up to the Bush administration and “forged alliances to try to bring about a different narrative in world politics”.

Chavez was often described as a dictator but Corbyn rejected this claim: “It is a strange dictator that has a mass media in Venezuela in permanent opposition to him, a wealthy elite who regularly condemned him and a new constitution and independent judicial system.”

What a fucking nonce.

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The Flood / Re: Thinking of Making a 9/11 joke for internet points?
« on: September 11, 2015, 01:41:27 PM »
Jesus that first image.

Were the garbage men on strike or something?

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Serious / There's a political test which calculates your bias
« on: September 11, 2015, 09:51:18 AM »
Here it is. It's focused on the US, so Bongs and Europoors might perform poorly on. It tests your knowledge, and how it stacks up with your predetermined political beliefs.

Don't look up the answers on the knowledge questions, it fucks with the actual test. Link to your report after the test, and tell us what questions you got wrong.

My report.

My wrong answers:

Spoiler
I got the questions on concealed carry, intended immigration and top five companies wrong.


I have a political bias of 2.78pc, with the average being 40pc.


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Serious / Re: Is morality objective?
« on: September 11, 2015, 07:17:26 AM »
Science reaches objective facts, but physics only reaches conclusions based on assumptions?
All science only reaches conclusions on the basis of some assumed values. All human activity in the quest for knowledge take place on the basis of some assumed values. You have to make the assumption to get the ball rolling, otherwise there is nowhere to go.

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Serious / Re: Why do progressives deny biology?
« on: September 11, 2015, 07:15:22 AM »
Did you read my articles, or are you in the process, or what?
I hadn't had much sleep yesterday so I'm doing it now. I'm not particularly impressed, but then I didn't expect I would be anyway.

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Serious / Re: Why do progressives deny biology?
« on: September 10, 2015, 05:27:10 PM »
No longer would anyone be able to make vapid appeals to nature with regards to how people should be treated, or how people should be expected to behave, based solely on their biological sex
Wow, some serious fucking Deja Vu right now.

Nevertheless, people oughtn't do that anyway. You don't need to hope gender is one way or the other in order to call somebody a fucking cunt for forcing his wife to be the "homemaker". Even if gender identity are (largely) biological and innate, that's no justification for treating women are more or less respectfully.

It's just a case of cunts will be cunts.

EDIT: Goddamn, trying to write a post about this is like walking through a fucking minefield.

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Serious / Re: Why do progressives deny biology?
« on: September 10, 2015, 05:08:09 PM »
Positing that the latter is driven by biology would be conflation of the two things.
Only by the worst definitions imaginable.

The issue here is that you're literally defining gendered identity as socially constructing, you're partitioning it there. I can't provide evidence against that so much as I can say it's a poor way of defining gender. Just think about it; transgenderism has biological causes. A case wherein somebody is chromosomally male but perceives themselves as female. The best reference point we have for reasonably defining the term "gender identity", and yet sociologists apparently ignore this because it goes against their dogma.

But, fuck it, I'll agree to your definitions. It's quite clear at this point that the biologists are defining gender differently to how the sociologists define it; I think the biologists have it correct in that it ought to be considered some kind of gendered behaviour irrespective of the underlying causes, and you think the sociologists have it correct in that gender ought to be defined as the socially constructed expectations of masculinity and femininity.

If I agree to this partition, the content of the debate doesn't really change. It just shifts from our original question to "Are the differences we see in behaviour chiefly the result of sex or gender", using your definitions. It seems pretty clear to me that biology and (evolutionary) psychology has answered this question, and the answer is sex.

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