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Serious / Re: >Protestantism
« on: October 08, 2015, 10:25:35 PM »
>sweden

take note brits, this is how cucked the anglican church will be in like five to ten years

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hoo boy
>gawker

get that fucking cancer out of here

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Honestly, people who vote Sanders are riding the same train the Paulbots did and the Dolan Trumpers are now.

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Serious / Re: ITT: Countries that need to shape up their fucking military
« on: October 08, 2015, 02:41:13 PM »
America doesn't meet Europe's standard of living because it spends so goddamn much money pumping up its muscles to watch out for you pasty fucks.
While I agree with your general point, this is incorrect. American military spending is currently insignificant relative to historical episodes like Korea. 4pc of GDP isn't all that much.

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Serious / Re: Conservative on campus
« on: October 08, 2015, 08:54:02 AM »
Let me know when you want me to shoot your school up bro I got my pointy hat at the ready LETS GET IT
M8 IT'S FUCKEN POP DOWN ERE

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Serious / Re: Conservative on campus
« on: October 08, 2015, 08:52:52 AM »
He spits the same substanceless trite all anti-marriage proponents do: circular reasoning that fails to uphold its own established values (marriage is specifically meant to foster procreation, yet marriage has never necessitated childbearing from the parties involved).
What the fuck? Is that supposed to make it okay to roundly shun him?

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Serious / Re: I hate going through life knowing that I failed
« on: October 07, 2015, 09:05:38 PM »
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Looking back at everything in life I realize just how much the American Dream is bullshit.

Well of course it is when you bitch about your life on a backwater forum.

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Serious / Re: Conservative on campus
« on: October 07, 2015, 08:34:08 PM »
I'm in what is essentially a social justice class.

Every time I open my mouth I'm a target but I fucking love it.

I feel naughty, like a kid who broke some arbitrary rule for the fun of it.

Yesterday I called out a bullshit statistic some pink-haired hambeast (dude) was shilling, got a serious death glare. Couldn't fucking hide my grin. People told me today that he was bitching about it for hours.
My politics classes are gonna be POP.

Spoiler
I'm learning a lot of London/Southern slang while I'm here.

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Serious / Re: Conservative on campus
« on: October 07, 2015, 08:28:12 PM »
but the public education in america is bad enough to carry a lot of fault for these sorts of things as well.
Both US and UK universities are highly competitive on a global scale; they really are rather good.
oh, i mean the primary and secondary schooling, like ages 6-18 or whatever age kids start school at. i know our postsecondary/graduate institutions are good.
I don't see how poor primary and secondary schooling (which has been poor for a while) would contribute to the dominance of progressives in academia and on campuses.

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Serious / Re: Conservative on campus
« on: October 07, 2015, 08:22:10 PM »
but the public education in america is bad enough to carry a lot of fault for these sorts of things as well.
Both US and UK universities are highly competitive on a global scale; they really are rather good.

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Serious / Conservative on campus
« on: October 07, 2015, 08:12:11 PM »
So, as most of your probably know, I recently made the transition to university. And--again, as most of you probably know--I am a Conservative, in the sense that I tend to prefer the Tories over any other political party in the UK. I usually don't describe myself as a "conservative",but the label is sufficient for my point here.

I've already gotten into a few discussions, one with a girl who was a third-wave feminist and a Labour voter (who, the next day, I heard drunkenly say "All Tories should kill themselves) and a couple of other people who also voted Labour. We all know that students have a tendency to be more left-of-centre, progressive and to have attitudes of social justice. Already I have encountered people calling me a "wanker" or "scum" for voting Conservative, although most of the time it's done in a light-hearted manner and is actually pretty funny. But it's a useful segue into a point I've been wanting to make for a long time.

On college campuses--the one place which should be devoted to intellectual diversity and freedom of speech--we are seeing a worrying trend towards intolerance of these things (and, indeed, among younger people in general). Occurrences such as this, where speakers are shouted down or somehow silenced on or removed from a campus are becoming increasingly common. In fact, there was a case at my own university two years ago when students effectively removed Israel's deputy ambassador when he was scheduled to give a talk.

The first example, though, is particularly interesting. The speaker who was shouted down was done so for recently publishing some literature which questioned the whole "rape culture on college campuses" meme--which, by now, is pretty well known to be false. He was, as far as it matters, prevented from speaking for committing heresy; he was shouted down and silenced for questioning the dominant narrative, with no respect from the people upholding that narrative for his point of view. It's rather an insult to whole point of higher education: the one place you should indeed have the freedom to speak and listen, the freedom to have your views challenged, the freedom to feel uncomfortable and the freedom to be offended.

Why do I call these things freedoms? Social psychologists--particularly Jonathan Haidt--have documented how humans are rather "anti-fragile". Facing resistance and obstacles is good for you and it develops you as a person; yet we have calls for things like trigger warnings and safe spaces. Keeping in mind, by the way, that the best way to deal with post-traumatic stress is to face your triggers and harden yourself to them. Again, humans are generally anti-fragile in nature. It's also dangerous as it seems to be breeding a generation of students who have no respect for the fact that the world around them will not change because they shout down people they disagree with--often something they mistake for strength, when it is in fact a sign of significant weakness. Ancient philosophers from the stoics to Buddha and even Jesus recognised it makes far more sense to change yourself to deal with the world around you, than to try and change the world extrospectively.

This shouting down of speakers to a more benign way of non-participation in intellectual fora belies a class of people unwilling to have their assumptions and their dogma challenged. It is the kind of anti-intellectualism that has always accompanied intolerant regimes or ways of thinking. It is a situation that has led to the actual shunning of students. It's not a case of the majority thinking the minority incorrect; it's a case of them believing them to be also evil, malicious or immoral in some form or another. This sort of moralising attitude kills discourse in the very place it ought to be protected. It's similar to the "Hands Up, Don't Shoot" narrative regarding Michael Brown which was pushed by progressives and social justice activists--and, funnily enough, I discussed this with the aforementioned girl. People who disagreed with the narrative were sometimes labelled racist, and this continued after the Justice Dept. (and, IIRC, an independent report commissioned by the family) disproved that narrative.

Now, let me be clear, the issue is not that these "progressives" were wrong about Michael Brown. The issue is that they approached the issue in such a way as to stifle discussion and, ironically, genuine progress on that case. Of course, when it comes to college campuses, the fault doesn't lie squarely with the students; if anything, the professors and academics facilitating this behaviour--and indeed those who do nothing to encourage intellectual diversity in homogeneous fields--are primarily to blame. All students should have their assumptions and pre-conceived ideas challenged: from the conservative to the progressive.

And this is rather an endemic problem in academia. Particularly social psychology and sociology. Indeed psychology, there has been a worrying trend leftwards with most respondents describing themselves as "liberal" (although, in this post, I am using the term "progressive" synonymously); prior to the 1990s, academic psychology leaned left, whereas today it is overwhelmingly devoid of conservatives, libertarians or even moderates. The current ratio of liberals and Democrats to conservatives and Republicans is around 14:1, being just 4:1 before the '90s. The paper I linked goes on to describe a number of "risk points" that come with this political monoculture, one being the assumption of progressive values in research. Which, indeed, we do see--this paper finds that individuals who are high in either right-wing authoritarianism or social dominance orientation tend to make more unethical decisions, yet the things considered unethical are decisions such as not formally taking the side of a female colleague in a sexual harassment complaint while having limited information. Researchers may also follow "progressive-friendly" lines of research while ignoring those with 'uncouth' connotations; for instance, there was starkly little research into stereotypes between the 1930s and 1980s--just assumed by psychologists to be false--until a conservative psychologist in 1978 put it to the test and sparked a litany of literature which indeed confirmed the opposite to be true. Stereotypes, it so happens, actually have a pretty decent chance of being broadly correct.

Such monoculture in psychology has also led to the mischaracterisation of opponent conservatives, by calling them more intolerant--or, perhaps, rigid is a better word. Despite the fact we now know that this cognitive failure arises in both liberals and conservatives pretty much equally. We can also see numerous other examples, such as the prevalence of confirmation bias which is worsened in ideological echo chambers.

Of course, you could offer explanations for this which have little to do with the political homogeneity of psychology--and social sciences in general. Maybe conservatives are just less intelligent and thus less likely to get a PhD and find a place in academia? While social conservatism is indeed correlated with lower cognitive ability, economic conservatism is correlated with higher cognitive ability, while libertarians have the highest IQ of any group while being severely under-represented. It's also probably not the case that education makes future academics so overwhelmingly liberal. The biggest factors that seem to influence the lack of conservatives heading into psychology tends to be the existence of disproportionate self-selection, a general hostile climate and genuine discrimination.

While the issue with the politicisation of psychology has been raised as early as 1994, this is a disease afflicted social science more broadly. And, personally, I find it scary when this bleeds into campuses; the infection of academia is a cancer worthy of fear all by itself, but when 55pc of colleges have restrictive speech codes in some sense, it becomes very worrying. Indeed, it is probably true that hearing other viewpoints is one of the most important process in making us more tolerant people (there's that anti-fragility again), and yet the trend we clearly see is moving away from that. When we have this kind of attitude to opposing ideas, we can't face the evidence against us even if we ultimately turn out to be correct; take this example from sociology:
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[E]xamples of inconvenient facts abound. Blacks (and Asians) have better mental health than Whites, an effect labeled the Black–White paradox (Keyes 2009). Hispanics have better physical health and lower mortality than Whites, an effect known as the Hispanic paradox (Markides and Eschbach 2005). And Asians have a higher average education level than Whites (Sakamoto et al. 2009), an effect which is as yet unnamed. The use of “paradox” rather than “falsification” for these effects is telling, given that a robust theory should have no paradoxes. In other cases, no clear ranking can be made. Although Asians have the highest median household income, Whites have the highest median net worth (Kochhar, Taylor, and Fry 2011). Black men are perceived as both highly attractive and highly dangerous (Lewis 2011; Sadler et al. 2012). And Blacks have the highest risk of being a victim of a hate crime, but Blacks also commit hate crimes at the highest per capita rate (Chorba 2001; Rubenstein 2003). Meanwhile, Jews and Asians and are almost exclusively victims rather than perpetrators of hate crimes (Chorba 2001; Rubenstein 2003), which seems to put them at bottom of a racial hierarchy, but their education and income put them at the top of the racial hierarchy.

TL;DR: We are fucking goosestepping towards a world of academic echo-chambers, intellectually intolerant students, young people who have no idea how to face the world and a general attitude of the prioritisation of emotional and social justice over fundamental liberties and empirical rigor. Fuck me.

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In times when it is necessary for the defence of the realm, then sure.

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Serious / Re: TPP trade deal
« on: October 07, 2015, 11:13:58 AM »
I just wanted the numbers behind it to see the degree that local and national economies are affected.
I'll try and find a paper or two.

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Serious / Re: TPP trade deal
« on: October 07, 2015, 11:00:43 AM »
This is good; domestic protection of agriculture makes everybody worse off.
Out of curiousity, are there any statistics on how outsourcing jobs affect unemployment?
Besides short-run labour disruption, there are no impacts on unemployment. Some literature suggests jobs are insourced as much as they are outsourced:

>US production for widget A moves to Vietnam
>People in Vietnam now have more money, they consume widget B but they lack the institutional & skills development necessary to produce widget B.
>US production for widget B increases offsetting employment losses from widget A moving offshore. This increases the skills profile of US labor increasing wages and working conditions. Real wages also increase due to the fall in the prices prices of widget A in the US.

Otherwise, monetary policy can usually smooth-out disruptions and remove slack in the labour market. If you want some actual reading, take a look at Krugman's "A Country is not a Company". It's available online.


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Serious / Re: TPP trade deal
« on: October 07, 2015, 10:57:29 AM »
This is good; domestic protection of agriculture makes everybody worse off.
name all zero ways, please
Blocking poorer regions of the world out of agricultural markets and raising food prices for domestic consumers doesn't make people worse off?

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Serious / Re: CA Gov Jerry Brown is on a roll
« on: October 07, 2015, 09:45:13 AM »
Short of gutting our entire agricultural industry
You don't need to gut it.

Just stop subsidising it.

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Serious / Re: TPP trade deal
« on: October 07, 2015, 09:43:53 AM »
Anybody who seriously opposed TPP on the basis of MUH CORPORATE INFLUENCE isn't paying attention, shouldn't be allowed to speak about the issue and should probably be shot too.

http://blogs.wsj.com/japanrealtime/2015/10/06/tpp-deal-expected-to-shake-up-japans-agriculture-sector/

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The trade agreement will provide easier access to Japan for products such as California rice, Canadian pork, Australian beef and New Zealand butter. In the face of greater competition, many small Japanese farmers could be taken over by large enterprise operators...Still, he said he is aware that many farmers are worried about a possible influx of cheap imports.
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Japan will maintain a whopping 778% tariff on imported rice, but has agreed to increase the quota for rice imports from the U.S. and Australia, by 78,000 tons to a total of 850,000 tons a year, which is about 10% of annual domestic consumption.
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The changes could further depress domestic rice prices, which hit their lowest level in decades last year as consumption continues to decline.

I don't oppose TPP only because it's going to have a net positive effect on the macro level, but there's no doubt that a sizable portion of small time farmers, globally, will be severely tested with the surge of competition that will result from much of the lowered or removed tariffs. It might make a lot of people's lives a lot more difficult is all I'm really saying.
This is good; domestic protection of agriculture makes everybody worse off.

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Serious / Re: Well my grandmother just died today...
« on: October 06, 2015, 07:21:56 PM »
That's not an uncommon response to when people finally die from a terminal illness. It's not particularly well-known, but a lot of doctors simply refuse treatment for terminal illness and prefer to preserve their quality of life for their remaining time. But, of course, dying either way isn't particularly nice: apparently a lot of doctors fear not getting a terminal illness, since dying from old age is much more draining.

Just my two cents, though. I'm sorry for your loss man, I have no idea how close you were but somehow losing a grandparent seems like a particularly painful experience. Hope you're doing all right.

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Serious / Re: TPP trade deal
« on: October 06, 2015, 07:18:02 PM »
Anybody who seriously opposed TPP on the basis of MUH CORPORATE INFLUENCE isn't paying attention, shouldn't be allowed to speak about the issue and should probably be shot too.

Is it good or bad?
Depends who you ask.

Most economists tend to support it, and a lot of stuff in the media (particularly surrounding pharmaceuticals) is hot air. Some economists, such as Joseph Stiglitz and Paul Krugman, offer lukewarm opposition--the former on the basis of IP laws and the latter on the basis that the political capital simply isn't worth it, IIRC.

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Serious / Re: TPP trade deal
« on: October 06, 2015, 07:01:10 PM »
Anybody who seriously opposed TPP on the basis of MUH CORPORATE INFLUENCE isn't paying attention, shouldn't be allowed to speak about the issue and should probably be shot too.

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Serious / Re: The Crusades were justified by the standards of the day.
« on: October 06, 2015, 04:58:35 AM »
It's a pretty stupid argument since the whole idea of the standards of a certain era are based on the big events of said era.

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Serious / Re: Flee Talks Law: Gun Control
« on: October 05, 2015, 05:09:57 PM »
extraordinary circumstances
What would constitute such a circumstance so as to make gun ownership acceptable?

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The Flood / Re: Just tried weed
« on: October 04, 2015, 07:13:03 PM »
Wait, no, I get it now. I get why you do this.

Still, what the fuck guys?

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The Flood / Just tried weed
« on: October 04, 2015, 07:02:29 PM »
What the fuck guys, why the hell would you do this? It's fucking awful.

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Serious / Re: Simple Question Sunday: Does might make right?
« on: October 04, 2015, 04:01:52 PM »
I support Bernie because he's the lesser of two evils. He's far from the perfect candidate.

As if who's president even matters, anyway.
Oh, so all your incessant, ideological and childish shillery is just a big ruse and you don't even like him that much and find him irrelevant?

Good to know.

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Serious / Re: It's not about mental health, it's about armed whities
« on: October 04, 2015, 11:58:34 AM »
So basically if we drop the idea that everything is oppression, but borrow the notion that our social issues are caused by interaction between various cultural and social factors, you have a viable way of looking at problems.
Borrow it from whom? Every social scientist on the face of the planet who isn't a lunatic is also an intersectionalist. The whole bullshit about intersectional social justice and feminism is a valid concept taken by them; we need to reclaim it, more than anything.

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The Flood / Re: Who is the smartest person in Serious?
« on: October 04, 2015, 02:09:14 AM »
Turkey or Flee actually

leaning towards Flee
MAYO CANT MELT FRENCH FRIES

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The Flood / Re: Who is the smartest person in Serious?
« on: October 04, 2015, 02:08:10 AM »
- Islamophobe
- Hasn't figured out that feminism is a good idea yet
- Has no respect for the proletariat
- The extent of his knowledge is Wikipedia articles
- Would probably be against nuking Japan
- Is most likely a secret Muslim
Mate, these are just wrong.

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Serious / Re: How do you feel about this quote?
« on: October 03, 2015, 10:10:13 PM »
for fucks sake why are we arguing about 25 words

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The Flood / Re: well,. england lost
« on: October 03, 2015, 06:26:07 PM »
Lost what?

Their pride?

Their dignity?

Their sense of hygiene?

Their sense of good dental work?

I NEED MORE ELABORATION.
the fucking rugby

the fucking aussies bet us

fucking ucnts

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