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Serious / Re: Bernie Sanders
« on: October 15, 2015, 10:59:13 AM »
Curious to see if there are plans out there, since I could not find any.
There aren't; financing the deficits of things like SS simply cannot be done by increased taxes on the richest in society. There isn't enough potential revenue there, especially given the unintended consequences which will likely ensue. Let's be honest, it isn't all that surprising. Sanders is all rhetoric; he likes to go on about Sweden and their wonderful model of social democracy, despite the fact that--unlike his rhetorical flourishes would have you believe--they don't soak the rich.

3032
Serious / Re: So, I read George Orwell's 1984 last week...
« on: October 15, 2015, 09:39:15 AM »
I don't understand why people argue with Verbatim. He's never been able to make any valid counter arguments. All he says is "fuck your argument, I personally don't care so it objectively doesn't matter".
LOL
Yes, that was my reaction when a few posts ago you were asked if you were worried about the government overstepping their boundaries and your reply was "why would they".
oh no

an honest question

how awful

clearly asking "why would they" is the same thing as saying "fuck your agument, i don't care"

go fuck yourself
You must admit, however, it's weird for somebody to acknowledge the existence of police brutality--the LAPD's record; black sites in New York--as I think you must, and then question why an intelligence/security agency would not suffer the same issues simply because they are an order of magnitude bigger.

Fuck, Scotland Yard has the medical information of journalists' family members and had actively covered up politicians molesting children.

3033
Serious / Re: So, I read George Orwell's 1984 last week...
« on: October 15, 2015, 09:28:12 AM »
but after reading the premise, I have to wonder what makes people think I'll like it more than 1984.
Mate it's all about decadence and the loss of intellectual appreciation; should speak right to your hatred of hedonism. Plus the State is a lot less cartoonishly evil in BNW.

3034
Serious / Re: Freddie Gray autopsy leaked
« on: October 14, 2015, 08:24:26 PM »
You didn't even read my response
Except I did; the contention that he slid headfirst into the wall--and that this is what killed him--is false.

Did you read the OP? Blunt trauma to the left side of his head caused between stop 2 and 4
Allan determined that his body likely couldn't have moved in that position with enough force to cause his injuries.

Allan surmised that Gray could have gotten to his feet using the bench and opposite wall.

3035
Serious / Re: Freddie Gray autopsy leaked
« on: October 14, 2015, 07:52:47 PM »
You didn't even read my response
Except I did; the contention that he slid headfirst into the wall--and that this is what killed him--is false.

3036
Serious / Re: So, I read George Orwell's 1984 last week...
« on: October 14, 2015, 07:51:16 PM »
Read Brave New World, it will speak to you more.

3037
Serious / Re: Do you vote?
« on: October 14, 2015, 07:34:45 PM »
Registered Democrat for reasons beneficial to myself.
Just curious: how is it beneficial?
Probably allows him to vote in a lot of the primaries; it's the same for Slash.

3038
Serious / Re: Freddie Gray autopsy leaked
« on: October 14, 2015, 07:34:01 PM »
So does defending murderers.
Pointing out Charlie was wrong about what happened =/= defending the cops.

Don't be a moron.

3039
Serious / Re: Do you vote?
« on: October 14, 2015, 07:12:35 PM »
Registered Conservative.

3040
Serious / Re: Freddie Gray autopsy leaked
« on: October 14, 2015, 05:27:32 PM »
And this just absolves the blatant police brutality, right?
No. . .

Don't put words in people's mouths, it makes you look stupid.

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Serious / Re: Freddie Gray autopsy leaked
« on: October 14, 2015, 04:42:47 PM »
Police are police, not babysitters. If the guy couldn't sit still then it's his own fault.

Umm... They intentionally bounced him around in the back. Sure, they didn't mean to kill him, but they definitely wanted to harm him
Well, I wasn't there, so I can't say whether they intentionally meant to our not.

It's a fairly common occurrence. Most times the people are only slightly injured. What happened in this case, he was basically hog tied and put on his belly. When they short-stopped, he slid headfirst into the front wall.
There's nothing worse than people who don't actually fucking read the OP. Gray sustained injuries to the extent that he did precisely because he tried to get up.

3042
Serious / Re: Army: Women will have to register for the draft
« on: October 14, 2015, 04:41:30 PM »
Women should not be in infantry positions.

I don't care what bullshit equality argument you throw at me. Safety comes before any kind of tenuous quota someone has to fulfill.
If a woman is qualified to hold an infantry position, why shouldn't she be allowed to do it?
Detriment to unit cohesion and operational efficiency.

The Secretary of the Army disagrees with you
Source?

3043
Serious / Re: Army: Women will have to register for the draft
« on: October 14, 2015, 01:16:03 PM »
Women should not be in infantry positions.

I don't care what bullshit equality argument you throw at me. Safety comes before any kind of tenuous quota someone has to fulfill.
If a woman is qualified to hold an infantry position, why shouldn't she be allowed to do it?
Detriment to unit cohesion and operational efficiency.

3044
Serious / Freddie Gray autopsy leaked
« on: October 14, 2015, 01:14:21 PM »
Baltimore Sun.
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Freddie Gray suffered a single "high-energy injury" to his neck and spine — most likely caused when the police van in which he was riding suddenly decelerated, according to a copy of the autopsy report obtained by The Baltimore Sun.

The state medical examiner's office concluded that Gray's death could not be ruled an accident, and was instead a homicide, because officers failed to follow safety procedures "through acts of omission."

Though Gray was loaded into the van on his belly, the medical examiner surmised that he may have gotten to his feet and was thrown into the wall during an abrupt change in direction. He was not belted in, but his wrists and ankles were shackled, putting him "at risk for an unsupported fall during acceleration or deceleration of the van."

The medical examiner compared Gray's injury to those seen in shallow-water diving incidents.

Gray, 25, was arrested April 12 following a foot pursuit by officers in the Gilmor Homes area, and he suffered a severe spinal injury while in police custody. His death a week later sparked protests over police brutality and unrest in the city — including looting and rioting — that drew international attention to the case.

The Baltimore state's attorney's office charged the six officers involved in Gray's arrest and transport. Officer Caesar R. Goodson Jr. the driver of the van, is charged with second-degree depraved-heart murder, while Sgt. Alicia D. White, Officer William F. Porter and Lt. Brian W. Rice are charged with manslaughter. Officers Edward M. Nero and Garrett E. Miller face lesser charges, including second-degree assault.

All of the officers have pleaded not guilty, and a trial has been set for October.

The autopsy report was completed April 30, the day before State's Attorney Marilyn J. Mosby announced criminal charges against the officers. The autopsy has not been made public, and the deadline for releasing evidence in the case to defense lawyers is Friday. A copy of the autopsy was obtained and verified by sources who requested anonymity because of the high-profile nature of the case.

The chief medical examiner, Dr. David Fowler, declined to comment, as did the defense attorneys for the officers, who said they have not received the autopsy.

In a statement, Mosby denounced the release of the report. She has sought a protective order to keep evidence in the case out of public view. "I strongly condemn anyone with access to trial evidence who has leaked information prior to the resolution of this case," Mosby said.

Baltimore police union president Lt. Gene Ryan said details in the autopsy raise questions about the charges, demonstrating why the union didn't want prosecutors to "rush to a decision."

"Why not wait till all the facts are in before you make a decision?" he asked. "Let's just sit back and take a breath and let's see everything unfold. I want to see all the evidence come out, because I believe our guys have nothing to hide."

The autopsy details a chronology of the events surrounding Gray's arrest that helped inform the medical examiner's conclusion. The medical examiner relied upon witness statements, videos and an examination of the transport van.

Gray tested positive for opiates and cannabinoid when he was admitted to Maryland Shock Trauma Center, according to the autopsy. The report makes no further reference to the drugs found in his system.

The report does not note any previous injuries to Gray's spine.

In concluding his death was a homicide, Assistant Medical Examiner Carol H. Allan wrote that it was "not an unforeseen event that a vulnerable individual was injured during operation of the vehicle, and that without prompt medical attention, the injury would prove fatal."

While bystanders captured his arrest on video showing Gray moaning for help, the autopsy concluded that he suffered no injuries suggesting a neck hold or stemming from physical restraint. Allan noted that Gray could be seen bearing weight on his legs and speaking as he was loaded into the van.

Officers placed Gray on a metal bench running from front to back along the outside wall of the van. He was not belted in, which is a violation of Baltimore police policy. After the doors were closed, he could be heard yelling and banging, "causing the van to rock," the autopsy noted.

The van made several stops. The second stop occurred a few blocks away on Baker Street, where officers placed an identification band and leg restraints on Gray.

"Reportedly, Mr. Gray was still yelling and shaking the van," the medical examiner wrote. "He was removed from the van and placed on the ground in a kneeling position, facing the van doors, while ankle cuffs were placed, and then slid onto the floor of the van, belly down and head first, reportedly still verbally and physically active."

Authorities previously said the third stop in the area of Fremont and Mosher streets was captured on video, which showed the van driver, Goodson, getting out and looking in the back.

During a fourth stop, at Dolphin Street and Druid Hill Avenue, authorities said, Goodson called for assistance, at which point Porter got involved.

"The assisting officer opened the doors and observed Mr. Gray lying belly down on the floor with his head facing the cabin compartment, and reportedly he was asking for help, saying he couldn't breathe, couldn't get up, and needed a medic," the autopsy says. "The officer assisted Mr. Gray to the bench and the van continued on its way."

The van made a fifth stop at North and Pennsylvania avenues to pick up a second arrestee, where Mosby has said White helped check on Gray.

"Mr. Gray was found kneeling on the floor, facing the front of the van and slumped over to his right against the bench, and reportedly appeared lethargic with minimal responses to direct questions," the report says.

The medical examiner concluded that Gray's most significant injury was to the lower left part of his head. Given the descriptions of his demeanor and positioning in the van, it most likely occurred between the second and fourth stops made by the van driver, and possibly before the third stop, according to the autopsy.

While it's possible Gray was hurt while lying on the floor and moving back and forth, Allan determined that his body likely couldn't have moved in that position with enough force to cause his injuries.

Allan surmised that Gray could have gotten to his feet using the bench and opposite wall. With his hands and ankles restrained, and unable to see out of the van and anticipate turns, she said, he was at a high risk for an unsupported fall.

She also noted the possibility that Gray's neck injury occurred "with him in a partially reclining position or as he was changing his position on the floor of the van," if the van moved abruptly enough.

The injury to Gray's spinal cord would have caused loss of function of his limbs, and would have "direct effects" on his ability to breathe, according to the autopsy.

Police had said in a court filing that the second passenger reported hearing Gray banging and kicking through the metal divider. Allan said that would not have been possible given Gray's injuries, but he may have been suffering a seizure at the time, which could have caused the noise, she said.
Old news, but I don't remember seeing anything about it on here.

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The Flood / Re: Scenes in movies/shows that made you cry
« on: October 14, 2015, 03:34:19 AM »
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind ending
Shit man.

3046
Serious / Re: Democratic Primary Debate #1: First impressions, who won?
« on: October 13, 2015, 10:51:16 PM »
I dunno man, Sanders is really on the side of the union/blue collar people
Nominally.

His policies are pretty unworkable, and he basically lied about the bank bailouts. Of course, even assuming Sanders could implement his reforms perfectly, you still have to question if they are desirable.

3047
Serious / Re: Army: Women will have to register for the draft
« on: October 13, 2015, 10:46:56 PM »
The composition of the drafted force is irrelevant to the question of whether there should be a draft to begin with.
Which is exactly my point. . . We should stop expending political capital on issues which are comparatively irrelevant.
Eh, it's a huge moral problem from my point of view to make the draft exclusive to men. If we're not getting rid of the draft, making it more reasonable is no sin.
The point being it isn't reasonable when you actually take the costs of implementation into account for such an insignificant "victory".

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Serious / Re: Democratic Primary Debate #1: First impressions, who won?
« on: October 13, 2015, 10:41:19 PM »
If this were a different time you'd be very valuable with the amount of salt you're spewing.
WELL AREN'T YOU A FUNNY cunt

3049
Serious / Re: Army: Women will have to register for the draft
« on: October 13, 2015, 10:39:52 PM »
The composition of the drafted force is irrelevant to the question of whether there should be a draft to begin with.
Which is exactly my point. . . We should stop expending political capital on issues which are comparatively irrelevant.

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Serious / Re: Army: Women will have to register for the draft
« on: October 13, 2015, 10:39:01 PM »
how much federal effort could this possibly take
It takes a fair amount of effort and political capital to actually make sure the bureaucracy carries even simple things to term, and then to face off opposition either from inside or outside the executive. It's not worth it.

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Serious / Re: Democratic Primary Debate #1: First impressions, who won?
« on: October 13, 2015, 10:36:06 PM »
It's weird how the media ignores Sander's existence despite his popularity.
>got the second most amount of minutes during the debate

Fuck it, anyway, Sanders is a Scandinavia fetishist.

3052
Serious / Re: Democratic Primary Debate #1: First impressions, who won?
« on: October 13, 2015, 10:33:55 PM »
Thought you'd go for Webb
He would be least shit.


3053
Serious / Re: Democratic Primary Debate #1: First impressions, who won?
« on: October 13, 2015, 10:28:37 PM »
-Clinton is a woman.
-Bernie Sanders doesn't like Wallstreet.
-Chaffe was just happy to be there.
-O'Mally exists.
-And Webb killed a man.

That's the impression I got.

Your pick for winner?
They all suck.

3054
Serious / Re: Army: Women will have to register for the draft
« on: October 13, 2015, 10:22:30 PM »
Yeah, uh, despite my previous post, I have to agree with Meta. It seems a bit inconsistent and pointless to deliberately exacerbate a problem (if you see it as a problem) if you ultimately want to eliminate it.

'Gender equality' is missing the point.
Explain how eliminating discrimination makes it worse.
I can respect you guys saying it's not worth the federal effort, that's more or less a difference of values, what I won't accept is saying that this is not an improvement of the current state.
My contention is that it's not an improvement precisely because the federal effort is too high; it makes it an irrelevancy. It's a cost-benefit thing.

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Serious / Re: Democratic Primary Debate #1: First impressions, who won?
« on: October 13, 2015, 10:19:09 PM »
-Clinton is a woman.
-Bernie Sanders doesn't like Wallstreet.
-Chaffe was just happy to be there.
-O'Mally exists.
-And Webb killed a man.

That's the impression I got.

3056
Serious / Re: Army: Women will have to register for the draft
« on: October 13, 2015, 09:25:15 PM »
why resist that change?
As I've said, my main issue is the expenditure of political capital on an issue when--given what is at stake--it is largely irrelevant.

3057
Serious / Re: Army: Women will have to register for the draft
« on: October 13, 2015, 08:49:36 PM »
I'm genuinely surprised at the people in this thread--who oppose the draft--effectively celebrating a doubling said draft on the basis that it's "gender equality" and the "next best option".

What the fuck kind of logic is that? Progressivism has become a parody of itself.
You're not doubling the number of needed draftees, you are dividing the burden of the needed amount across the populace in a way that doesn't discriminate based on genitalia.
^
come the fuck on meta
Who cares? It's not a substantial change from the status quo regarding the existence of the draft, and granting this kind of political capital and flexibility to a reform on the basis of vapid ideas of gender equality is utterly ludicrous. It's essentially: "If we can't get rid of it, let's inflict it on everybody equally". Fuck that. This isn't fucking progress; it's a pointless policy with a vapid basis.

And shit, if the US ever needs the draft I'd imagine combat roles would be mostly in demand. Even if you agree with desegregating combat roles, the evidence is pretty clear that women are not as physically capable in most instances. That would be logistically bothersome at a time of what should be immense need.

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Serious / Re: Global poverty to fall to 10pc by end of 2015
« on: October 13, 2015, 07:26:01 PM »
Didn't Mordo post this the other day?
Fuck, did he? I didn't see it in his link salad.

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Serious / Global poverty to fall to 10pc by end of 2015
« on: October 13, 2015, 07:12:27 PM »
However, significant barriers still exist to ending global absolute poverty by 2030.

World Bank:

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WASHINGTON, October 4, 2015 – The number of people living in extreme poverty around the world is likely to fall to under 10 percent of the global population in 2015, according to World Bank projections released today, giving fresh evidence that a quarter-century-long sustained reduction in poverty is moving the world closer to the historic goal of ending poverty by 2030.

The Bank uses an updated international poverty line of US $1.90 a day, which incorporates new information on differences in the cost of living across countries (the PPP exchange rates). The new line preserves the real purchasing power of the previous line (of $1.25 a day in 2005 prices) in the world’s poorest countries. Using this new line (as well as new country-level data on living standards), the World Bank projects that global poverty will have fallen from 902 million people or 12.8 per cent of the global population in 2012 to 702 million people, or 9.6 per cent of the global population, this year.

Actual poverty data from low income countries come with a considerable lag but the organization, which released the information on the eve of its Annual Meetings in Lima, Peru, based its current projections on the latest available data.

Jim Yong Kim, World Bank Group President, said that the continued major reductions in poverty were due to strong growth rates in developing countries in recent years, investments in people’s education, health, and social safety nets that helped keep people from falling back into poverty. He cautioned, however, that with slowing global economic growth, and with many of the world’s remaining poor people living in fragile and conflict-affected states, and the considerable depth and breadth of remaining poverty, the goal to end extreme poverty remained a highly ambitious target.

“This is the best story in the world today -- these projections show us that we are the first generation in human history that can end extreme poverty,’’ Kim said. “This new forecast of poverty falling into the single digits should give us new momentum and help us focus even more clearly on the most effective strategies to end extreme poverty. It will be extraordinarily hard, especially in a period of slower global growth, volatile financial markets, conflicts, high youth unemployment, and the growing impact of climate change. But it remains within our grasp, as long as our high aspirations are matched by country-led plans that help the still millions of people living in extreme poverty.”

In April 2013, nine months after Kim became president of the World Bank Group, its Board of Governors endorsed two goals: to end extreme poverty by 2030, and to boost shared prosperity by raising the incomes of the bottom 40 percent of populations.

Kim said that further reductions in poverty rates would come from evidence-based approaches, including:  broad-based growth that generates sufficient income-earning opportunities; investing in people’s development prospects through improving the coverage and quality of  education, health, sanitation, and protecting the poor and vulnerable against sudden risks of unemployment, hunger, illness, drought and other calamities. These measures, he said, would also greatly boost shared prosperity, improving the welfare of the least well-off in every country. 

“With these strategies in place, the world stands a vastly better chance of ending extreme poverty by 2030 and raising the life prospects of low-income families,” said Kim.

 

Poverty remains concentrated in Sub-Saharan Africa and South Asia

For the last several decades, three regions, East Asia and Pacific, South Asia, and Sub-Saharan Africa, have accounted for some 95 percent of global poverty. Yet, the composition of poverty across these three regions has shifted dramatically. In 1990, East Asia accounted for half of the global poor, whereas some 15 percent lived in in Sub-Saharan Africa; by 2015 forecasts, this is almost exactly reversed: Sub-Saharan Africa accounts for half of the global poor, with some 12 percent living in East Asia. Poverty is declining in all regions but it is becoming deeper and more entrenched in countries that are either conflict ridden or overly dependent on commodity exports.

The growing concentration of global poverty in Sub-Saharan Africa is of great concern. While some African countries have seen significant successes in reducing poverty, the region as a whole lags the rest of the world in the pace of lessening poverty. Sub-Saharan poverty fell from an estimated 56 percent in 1990 to a projected 35 percent in 2015. Rapid population growth remains a key factor blunting progress in many countries—as this year’s Global Monitoring Report to be launched on October 8 shows.

In its regional forecasts for 2015, the Bank said that poverty in East Asia and the Pacific would fall to 4.1 per cent of its population, down from 7.2 per cent in 2012; Latin America and the Caribbean would fall to 5.6 per cent from 6.2 in 2012; South Asia would fall to 13.5 per cent in 2015, compared to 18.8 per cent in 2012; Sub-Saharan Africa declines to 35.2 per cent in 2015, compared to 42.6 per cent in 2012. Reliable current poverty data is not available for the Middle East and North Africa because of conflict and fragility in key countries in the region. *For more detail on the regional forecasts, see page 6 of attached Policy Research Note.     

“Development has been robust over the last two decades but the protracted global slowdown since the financial crisis of 2008, is beginning to cast its shadow on emerging economies,” said World Bank Chief Economist Kaushik Basu, a former Chief Economic Adviser to the Indian Government. “There is some turbulence ahead. The economic growth outlook is less impressive for emerging economies in the near future, which will create new challenges in the fight to end poverty and attend to the needs of the vulnerable, especially those living at the bottom 40 percent of their societies.”     

Measuring Poverty Globally and Nationally   

The updated global poverty line and rate are based on newly-available price data from across the world- impacting not only where the global poverty line is drawn, but the cost of the basic food, clothing, and shelter needs of the poorest around the world. However, this global measure is only one of many important measures to track in order to better reach the poor and vulnerable.

“When global organizations set global goals, we have to be able to compare progress across countries using a common measure, treating the absolute poor in one country the same as in another, “ said Ana Revenga, Senior Director of the World Bank’s Poverty and Equity Global Practice. “But just as important are the national poverty lines set by each country, reflecting their own standard of living. These are crucial for governments and policy makers when they are planning the programs that will improve lives, or the policies that will help bring the poorest in their country out of destitution.”

Revenga said the World Bank Group would continue to work with its country clients and partners to improve how it measures and tracks poverty, to build country statistical capacity and fill persistent data gaps, and to integrate solid data and analysis into its development work to better reach people and their families who live in entrenched poverty.

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Serious / Re: Army: Women will have to register for the draft
« on: October 13, 2015, 07:05:07 PM »
We just established it's not an expansion.
It is of eligibility. . . 

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