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Serious / Re: Cruz Christmas Classics
« on: December 21, 2015, 05:03:06 PM »
is this how this nigger sees himself?




teddy isn't that bad of a candidate tbh, but something about his face just irks me in the worst way.

he looks like a fucking decaying marine mammal
The worst part about him is the fucking religiosity.

Which I can overlook, to be fair. I can't see any legislation arising around that, so fuck it.

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Serious / Re: Internet Aristocrat literally sodomizes Bernie Sanders
« on: December 21, 2015, 03:26:52 PM »
it was a sanders supporter that basically said, "who cares if the rich leave the US after Bernie's policies are inacted"
also he's having a Ted Cruz and uh... Rubio, i think, supporter on next episode.
It's Trump next, with potentially a Cruz supporter.
Nope, Rand and Cruz.
My bad.

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Serious / Re: Internet Aristocrat literally sodomizes Bernie Sanders
« on: December 21, 2015, 02:39:53 PM »
it was a sanders supporter that basically said, "who cares if the rich leave the US after Bernie's policies are inacted"
also he's having a Ted Cruz and uh... Rubio, i think, supporter on next episode.
It's Trump next, with potentially a Cruz supporter.

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Serious / Re: Cruz Christmas Classics
« on: December 21, 2015, 01:28:45 PM »
That was painful.
I thought it was pretty funny, to be fair.

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Serious / Cruz Christmas Classics
« on: December 21, 2015, 08:21:42 AM »
YouTube

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Serious / Re: *Official Sep7agon Presidential Poll*
« on: December 21, 2015, 07:43:16 AM »
Why Cruz and not Rubio?
17pc > 12pc.

Plus Rubio hasn't made similarly pleasing pronouncements about monetary policy.

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Guardian.

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Last month’s terrorist attacks in Paris did not lead to a rise in anti-Muslim sentiment in Britain, a new study has shown.

The new research, conducted by Rob Ford and Maria Sobolewska of the University of Manchester, comes amid growing concerns about western hostility to Muslims after the Front National’s strong performance in regional elections in France and Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump’s call for a ban on Muslim immigration to the US.

The academics asked the same questions both before and after the Paris attacks on 13 November. Before Paris, 33% of respondents agreed that ‘Muslims have a lot to offer British culture’, compared to 35% who disagreed. After Paris the proportion who disagreed remained the same, but an additional 2% agreed with the statement.

A similar modest increase in the proportion of tolerant respondents was shown in the responses to the statement ‘Muslims in Britain have respect for the way of life of others’. Before Paris, 23% of respondents agreed with that statement, compared to a far larger 53% who disagreed. After the Paris attacks, the positive proportion increased to 27%, whereas the proportion disagreeing declined to 51%.

The greatest change was witnessed when respondents were asked whether they felt London was better or worse off due to its ethnic and religious diversity. Pre-Paris, 40% felt the capital was better off or much better off for its diversity, whereas 32% thought it was worse off or much worse off.

After Paris, the proportion with a positive attitude swelled to 43%, but the proportion who felt London was worse off for its diversity fell by a quarter to 24%. The respondents were drawn from the whole of Great Britain, not just London, perhaps suggesting that the terrorism in Paris encouraged Brits to rally round London and defend it as a symbol of diversity.

Rob Ford commented that the study “suggests that Isis failed in their stated objective of sowing division between Muslims and non-Muslims in Britain. Far from raising anxiety about diversity and Islam, the Paris attacks strengthened liberal and multicultural views.”

Maria Sobolewska added: “While tolerance is clearly not a universal value in Britain, it is a resilient one for those who hold it. The Paris attacks did not deepen divisions among our respondents, as pessimists feared. Instead they encouraged a stronger expression of the inclusive tolerance the terrorists threaten and reject.”

1,707 people were surveyed in the first round of the study between 10 and 12 November, and 1,621 were surveyed in the second round on 17 and 18 November. The Paris attacks occurred on the evening of 13 November. Both surveys were conducted online using the YouGov panel.

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>YouGov
YouGov is actually one of the better polling companies around, you know.

Although I have some bias, since I actually did some work with them in terms of statistics.
>.> perhaps, you would know better than I
Don't allow me to overstate my experience; it was very basic stuff at my university. Nothing in-depth.

That's just my impression of YouGov, anyway.

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>YouGov
YouGov is actually one of the better polling companies around, you know.

Although I have some bias, since I actually did some work with them in terms of statistics.

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Serious / Re: How do YOU judge America?
« on: December 20, 2015, 12:54:59 PM »
It's inefficient, has a history of doing good things and bad things... but who hasn't?

You compare countries by their present values. I could easily say America would be a better choice to live than Somalia for a whole variety of reasons, and probably a few  compared to Russia or India.

HDI is a wonderful statistic that can quantify the present value of countries that can be used for a quick spot judgement if you acknowledge it's flaws for qualitative data.
Why are you comparing it to shit countries instead of like, any of the other western nations, and even Canada right above us? The US then suddenly doesn't look as great, but when you talk about Somalia in comparison? Sure.
The Western world cannot be proud it isn't a shit hole? By global standards, it's a pretty big accomplishment. . .

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Bloody hell
This is what faggot victim culture gets you.

Look. Look at what the Western world has become. We've reached the point where fascists are the only people making any amount of sense to a significant portion of the population, all the way from France to the U.S.

The Occident is dying.

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Serious / Re: WHAT ARE THE PROS AND CONS OF FREE TRADE?
« on: December 20, 2015, 12:13:08 PM »
I know America is transitioning to the service sector but doesn't a manufacturing economy generate more revenue than a service economy?
No, otherwise national income would've been declining over the past fifty or so years.

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Serious / Young white men are the most hated group of people in Britain
« on: December 20, 2015, 12:12:07 PM »
It didn't have to be this way.

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YouGov UK analyzed data from 48 separate surveys on age, race, and gender to discover that young white men have the worst reputation.

According to YouGov UK, “We explored attitudes to 48 different groups. We looked at each combination of eight ethnic/national groups, three ages (twenties, forties and sixties) and the two genders. For each group we asked respondents how likely they were to possess each of five positive qualities, such as intelligence and honesty, and five negative qualities, such as violence and drunkenness. “

Young white men in their 20s received the worst scores in regards to drunkenness, promiscuity, and politeness. Young white men were also tied with young black Caribbean men for propensity for drug-usage. As well, young white men were ranked the second worst for inclination towards hard work (behind Muslim women in their 60s) and likelihood to help others (behind Pakistani men in their 20s).

Young black Caribbean men in their 20s were ranked the second most derided, followed by young white women in their 20s.

White women in their 60s, white men in their 60s, and Chinese women in their 40s were the three most revered groups of people.

Since immigration from Eastern Europe is a controversial political issue in Britain, the YouGov poll also compared the opinions of young white men in their 20s to Polish-born men in their 20s.

Polish-born men in their 20s fare better in regards to being polite, helpful to others, and hard-working.

According to YouGov, if young Polish men are “stealing” jobs from young white British men, the results of the findings mean it is because “we hold young Polish men in much higher regard.”

While white men in their 20s had the lowest overall score and the highest negative average, Pakistani men in their 20s had the lowest positive average.


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Serious / Re: *Official Sep7agon Presidential Poll*
« on: December 20, 2015, 12:06:59 PM »
Bonus: Cruz was also one of the senators introducing one of the best bills I think I've ever seen in terms of U.S. healthcare.

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Serious / Re: *Official Sep7agon Presidential Poll*
« on: December 20, 2015, 12:03:36 PM »
Switching my vote from Bush to Cruz.

Why?
Dude's the only Republican with the actual capacity to give Trump a run for his money, and given that Presidential appointments are one of the most important things you can take into consideration it's a very big plus that he has the right ideas about monetary policy. And free trade.

Other than that, dude's a hack. Just a better hack than either Trump or Sanders.

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Serious / Re: WHAT ARE THE PROS AND CONS OF FREE TRADE?
« on: December 20, 2015, 06:57:29 AM »
Wouldn't that still be a bad thing as manufacturing has always been a huge part of the American economy?
Who cares? Outsourcing manufacturing jobs allows the economy to transition to high productivity jobs; we're in the middle of a skills transition.

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Serious / Re: What's bad about putin besides his anti gay policy?
« on: December 19, 2015, 09:37:28 PM »
I'm a little nervous about the cult of personality he cultivated. There've been a few leaders that have done that, and 8 out of 10 times it doesn't end well
I don't think he quite has a cult of personality yet. He's still in a position of having to assassinate opposition and invade foreign countries for the sake of his positional stability and poll ratings.

Stalin had people making effigies to him despite the fact he was practically liquidating the Orthodox Church, which was the peasantry's only source of real information for the entire Tsarist period. That's a cult of personality.

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Serious / Re: *Official Sep7agon Presidential Poll*
« on: December 19, 2015, 07:11:58 PM »
Switching my vote from Bush to Cruz.

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Serious / Re: How do YOU judge America?
« on: December 19, 2015, 07:07:41 PM »
America's takes the cake though, you gotta admit.
Sure, but given the numerous levels of government, the size of the country and the myriad of bureaucracies I think it functions better than most other countries would when put in a similar situation.

It's insanity, which I admit is there, is probably massively amplified because it's the side of the government constantly in the public sphere. If Donald Trump was just some suit at the IRS it wouldn't matter in the slightest.

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Serious / Re: How do YOU judge America?
« on: December 19, 2015, 06:56:31 PM »

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Serious / Re: One million migrants unaccounted for in the U.K.
« on: December 19, 2015, 03:16:19 PM »
It's pretty much just another nail in the coffin at this point, with the EU giving the 'lol fugg off' response to cameron trying to do some reforms and the endless stream of migrants/refugees I can't say I'll be surprised when the referendum ends with us leaving.
Cameron may have got his majority, but this second term looks like it's going to be all downhill.

The next five years are going to be defined by a migrant crisis spiraled out of control, increasing attacks on innocents and probably in London too, absolutely no progress with the EU and some loss of legitimacy for him whether we pull out or not.

Fortunately the economy is bouncing back, though.

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Serious / Re: One million migrants unaccounted for in the U.K.
« on: December 19, 2015, 02:38:16 PM »

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Serious / Re: How do YOU judge America?
« on: December 19, 2015, 08:35:23 AM »
but I've never met any "liberal" who thinks of the US as nothing but a terrible country and an exceptionally shameful display of humanity.
Like Howard Zinn mentioned in the video, they're probably talking about people like Michael Moore and Noam Chomsky. But no, you're average American liberal probably doesn't think that.

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Serious / Re: Israel: the world's most moral army
« on: December 18, 2015, 07:32:29 PM »
and thanks for the effort if you find anything on immigration.
Not going to respond to the rest of your post for now, since it's 1 am and I'm still fighting off an aggressive form of bacterial tonsillitis.

Immigration lit, however:

  • Impact of immigration on native wages: (X)(X)
  • Impact of a large influx of Cuban immigrants on the Miami labour market: (X)
  • Impact of immigration on the British government's fiscal position: (X)(X)
  • Potential impacts for global output given open borders: (X)
  • Impact of low-skilled immigration on labour market clearing: (X)
  • Impact of high-skilled immigration on native compensation and employment: (X)

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Serious / Re: How do YOU judge America?
« on: December 18, 2015, 05:22:20 PM »
Because I can tell you right now--I didn't need to be taught that.
I'm saying the culture of the time, compared to ours, was ridiculously conducive to those sorts of barbaric practices. Hell, later on in the period it wasn't even really about racism--that was just a convenient excuse. By the time the Enlightenment came around and all men were created equal with inalienable rights, it became highly impractical to come up with some excuse to continue to enslave people like the white Irish.

The solution? Define the people who were most different from you (blacks) as less than human, and thus not endowed with the same rights. I'd wager as much of it came from the simple greedy desire to unconditionally own labour for their own profit as it came from ignorant racism. No doubt some people really did believe blacks were inferior simply on phenotypical grounds, as genetics hadn't really taken off at that point in time.

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They have your whole livelihood on the line. That's what makes it slavery.
I agree, and that's exactly the reason I oppose workfare. It's also pretty much the reason every single developed economy on the planet has a safety net of some kind.

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Serious / One million migrants unaccounted for in the U.K.
« on: December 18, 2015, 05:14:33 PM »
Telegraph.

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David Cameron has been accused of a "migration cover-up" after it emerged that more than a million migrants who have come to the UK in recent years are unaccounted for.

Ministers have failed to release data which experts believe could show the true number of EU migrants coming to the UK, claiming that it would be “unhelpful” to Mr Cameron’s current renegotiation with Brussels ahead of the in-out referendum.

There were accusations that the figures are being suppressed amid fears that releasing the data could lead to Britain leaving the EU.

Experts warned that it could mean the number of migrants coming to Britain from the EU is actually hundreds of thousands higher than previously thought.

It came as Mr Cameron was left isolated as more than a dozen European leaders spoke out ahead of a crucial Brussels summit to say that they would oppose his plans to strip EU workers of in-work benefits for four years.

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Serious / Re: How do YOU judge America?
« on: December 18, 2015, 04:51:39 PM »
OT: I don't particularly see anything factually incorrect with the video. It probably is the case that countries like the US and Britain (and probably France) are the most important countries historically by virtue of their influence
Yeah

Let's just forget Rome, the HRE, or the Mongols. Britain is fine, but the US? A nation that's gone from top dog to wavering in less than 80 years?

The hell are you on about? The US is important and played a big factor in a lot of things, but to say it's one of the most important in the HISTORY? That's just silly.
I'm not forgetting them.

I'm talking post-Enlightenment, which I should've made clear but you should not have assumed what time-frame I was operating with.

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Serious / Re: How do YOU judge America?
« on: December 18, 2015, 04:29:39 PM »
And no, I don't consider the fact that these men lived in the 18th century to be an excuse.
Why not? As far as they were concerned, black people weren't people. I don't think it's unfair to say that they didn't know race was not a substantial factor in human variation, and it's  not apart from the general barbarity of the time even towards people of our own race and nationalities. I don't know why you're asking me if adults don't know how to treat one another. . . You said yourself, humans are inherently "evil". A statement I agree with, to an extent.

No, they don't know how to treat other people optimally. For fuck's sake Verbatim, we're apes who have only known how to farm for 30pc of our history.

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Any capitalist nation.
It's ideological bullshit to compare slavery to the selling of one's labour for a wage, especially when there are literally fantastic reasons why we ought to prefer a system in which capital employs labour, as opposed to vice versa.

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Serious / Re: How do YOU judge America?
« on: December 18, 2015, 03:38:33 PM »
My point was that I'm just far too cynical to consider it anything more than a source of shame, because we had to abolish it in the first place.
That's like saying Stahl shouldn't be proud of discovering oxidation because we were stupid enough to have phlogiston theory in the first place. Most of the systemic errors human beings have made and corrected can be boiled down to informational deficits. If you want it to be a source of shame, fine, but it's entirely on you for comparing it to a totally unrealistic counterfactual.

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Just because my country does it in a more subtle and socially acceptable way now?
Uh, where?

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