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but I still think there's something deeply wrong with the government coopting (and continuing) the sale of drugs as awful as cocaine and heroin.
On the one hand, I agree, and support a strict and non-commercial form of regulation. Having the government sell heroin to people isn't something that sits well with most people.

On the other hand, I use cocaine irregularly. When drugs like coke and meth are mostly harmful to the users themselves, I'm not sure what mandate I have to strictly regulate the consumption of such drugs assuming the social harm is adequately dealt with (and, lets be honest, it's nothing compared to alcohol). On what basis do I and other "regulationists" restrict the distribution and use of such drugs? Even if they are not sold by the government, does the government still have the right to say "No, you cannot use this substance". Restricting the use of materials which could make weaponry is one thing, but restricting goods used for personal consumption is wholly another. There's a significant internal inconsistency here.

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Serious / Why won't the terrorists just tell us what they want?
« on: March 22, 2016, 06:14:15 PM »


owait

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Apologies, I thought you still supported the incarceration of people possessing hard drugs like cocaine and heroin.

Although, my main gripe is with your contention that legalisation would legitimise cartel activities. In what way would this happen? We ought to be clear on what we mean by 'legalisation', too. When I say it, I mean the government not punishing people for possessing drugs and taking the production and distribution of hard drugs away from non-government actors.

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Demand for cartel-supplied drugs, you mean?
Yes, isn't that an ancillary goal here? The destruction of South American and Middle Eastern drug cartels?

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And assuming it did happen, there's a need for a moral discussion about the government controlling access to a cripplingly addictive substance.
I can't really see how its any less moral than allowing cartels and criminals controlling access.

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there'd be no reason for cartels to not just continue black market sales.
This is true for harder drugs, but it doesn't entail the criminalisation of possession. This does nothing to actually help those who have issues with drug abuse. Should the trafficking of drugs remain illegal? Sure, I'm pretty neutral on that question. But even if we maintain the illegality of non-governmental production and distribution of drugs like cocaine and heroin, it doesn't follow that the appropriate response is to also gaol those purchasing it from these underground producers and distributors.

So what's the answer? Why not look at what the Swiss or the Dutch do? There's no reason making cocaine and heroin legal means it must be sold openly; the Dutch, for instance, allow heroin users to inject the drug with sterile needles in supervised, government-run consumption sites. This is a lot better than throwing addicts in prison.

And if the government were to openly produce and distribute hard drugs, what do you think would happen to their street prices? Demand would collapse.

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Legalization does nothing but legitimize cartels and make it easier for them to sell drugs.
The entire reason the drug trade is so profitable is precisely because it is prohibited; and our prohibition of drugs actually drives more trade in harder drugs. Marijuana is bulky, easily detectable and difficult to conceal. Cocaine, on the other hand, is a lot easier to move around despite its higher class or schedule than weed and is actually preferable in some ways to dealing weed. Sure, you'll get a hell of a sentence if you're caught, but there's a lower chance of you being caught in the first place.

Not to mention production of goods for black markets is essentially controlled by violent psychopaths. They don't care that it's illegal. Having the government regulate production, distribution and consumption not only pulls the rug out from under the cartels, but is a fuck-tonne better in terms of reducing personal and societal harm from drug abuse.

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life was easy for the users
Yup, landing in prison for possession of pot due to three strikes laws and potentially getting seven years in prison for merely having drugs like MDMA, LSD or magic mushrooms on you sure is a cakewalk.

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but I don't even know why I try to joke around anymore.
Poe's Law, fam.

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Serious / Re: I do not understand how people support Trump
« on: March 22, 2016, 05:12:26 PM »
He appeals to the white underclass in society, which is quickly being left behind.

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The Flood / Re: What's the hardest drug you have used?
« on: March 22, 2016, 05:11:17 PM »
Cocaine, although I'm not even sure if it was Cocaine.
I prefer talc anyway.
mate just bosh a line of Daz and get spannered innit
I once crushed up sugar and sold it to a guy as MDMA.

Your move, creep.

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Although, the first line of response to any statement like this is to ask why it should be illegal in the first place. Prohibition of drugs--especially marijuana--is just the wilfully squandering of societal resources.

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The Flood / Re: Best Western?
« on: March 22, 2016, 05:08:43 PM »
Fuck, completely forgot about The Revenant.
Oiiiii

what a film

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Personally, I'm all for invoking natural selection by allowing worthless druggies to kill themselves on their substances.
I'm pretty sure you know that predisposition to drug abuse and potential for addiction is a medical issue, not a moral one. Addiction is a disease.

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The Flood / Re: What's the hardest drug you have used?
« on: March 22, 2016, 04:28:46 PM »
Cocaine, although I'm not even sure if it was Cocaine.
I prefer talc anyway.

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The Flood / Re: Best Western?
« on: March 22, 2016, 04:28:12 PM »
Django Unchained.

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Serious / Re: So, I'm kinda in a spot of trouble
« on: March 22, 2016, 03:55:59 PM »
I'll admit this brought a tear to my eye. There is no justice in the world.

I think it'll be incredibly difficult to ever truly forget the semi-buddhist novelist, whose ideas I never had much respect for. But, you're truly a decent person, which is more than I can say for most. If nothing else, you'll live on in our memories.

Godspeed, Sandtrap. I wish you all the best.

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The Flood / Re: What's the hardest drug you have used?
« on: March 22, 2016, 03:50:01 PM »
Holy fuck that was intense.
A friend of mine went camping with a bunch of his mates and accidentally smoke a joint laced with ketamine. That was also apparently a rather mad experience.

Now Salvia. Salvia is intense.

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The Flood / Re: HarLOL
« on: March 22, 2016, 03:39:05 PM »
>Implying I have no value to society at all.



mfw thats not what he implied

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The Flood / Re: HarLOL
« on: March 22, 2016, 03:38:15 PM »
I pretty much wrecked him in Sapphire. Don't care if these SJW's consider me to be an asshole. They're retarded for believing that autism is the same thing as mental retardation and its derogatory to both.
I don't know why you feel the need to point our you're autistic so often.

You really, really don't need to.

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lol

more like










marco faggio

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The Flood / Re: What's the hardest drug you have used?
« on: March 22, 2016, 03:25:10 PM »
I'm gonna find Verbatim and blow ecstasy up his nose while he sleeps.

What I would give to see Verb on E.

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The Flood / Re: What's the hardest drug you have used?
« on: March 22, 2016, 03:17:15 PM »
"My friend" has used both ecstasy and cocaine, which are both Class A.

Coke is obviously harder, however.

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The Flood / Re: Pick a song to describe your day today
« on: March 22, 2016, 02:37:27 PM »
I don't really think any song could accurately describe this.
There is only one appropriate song in response to today's events:

YouTube

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Serious / Re: >any kind of materialistic worldview >ever
« on: March 22, 2016, 02:25:43 PM »
This is as autistic as atheists who make memeposts about religion.

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Serious / Re: Terrorist attack in Brussels, 26 killed 100+ injured
« on: March 22, 2016, 12:49:46 PM »
Latest from the PM:

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Prime Minister Charles Michel is speaking at a press conference in Brussels, in both French and Flemmish:

Michel announced that there will be three days of national mourning

Belgium wants to return to a normal life as soon as possible, he said.

Liberty has been struck at its heart, as it was in Paris recently, and was in in London and Madrid in the recent past, Michel said.

“It is a common fight, it is a fight without borders,” Michel said. Belgium is very mobilised to succeed in the face of this tragic event, which has struck us in our hearts.

“We are determined to defend our freedom,” Michel said will tears in his eyes.

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Serious / Re: Terrorist attack in Brussels, 26 killed 100+ injured
« on: March 22, 2016, 11:57:49 AM »
I was literally in Brussels not 3 days ago. Holy shit.
I'm there every single day, the metro being 5 minutes from my usual route.. Surreal stuff.
How do you think this will affect Belgian politics?

Hopefully it serves as an impetus for security and intelligence reform.

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Serious / Re: HAPPENING IN BELGIUM
« on: March 22, 2016, 10:56:07 AM »
or "fuck Islamists."
That's a perfectly respectable thing to say.

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Serious / Re: HAPPENING IN BELGIUM
« on: March 22, 2016, 10:42:27 AM »
Hollande was right when he said this isn't just an attack on Belgium, but an attack on Europe as a whole. We stand undivided in the face of terror; a country was struck, and a continent will respond.

 Fuck the Islamists.

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Serious / Re: HAPPENING IN BELGIUM
« on: March 22, 2016, 10:29:42 AM »
When large attacks start occurring on the daily, and millions of people are dying at the hands of Islamic terrorists, then maybe you could justify hating Muslims for the sake of being Muslims. But nope, not now. There's still a billion of moderates.
In the last 30 days alone there have been 123 attacks in 22 different countries, with a total death toll of 1018. That's 34 people a day. In November 2014, Islamic terrorism killed more people than all 350 years of the Inquisition. They have murdered more people every day than the KKK has since 1945. Killed more civilians on September 11th than the entirety of the Troubles in Northern Ireland. And during a single day in June 2014, they managed to kill more Iraqis than prisoners executed in the US over the last 40 years.

This is a bigger problem than Islamaphobia. Without doubt.

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Serious / Re: HAPPENING IN BELGIUM
« on: March 22, 2016, 08:23:31 AM »
And fuck all these faggots saying this is a result of our policies.

It probably was a revenge attack for the arrest made the other day, but what the fuck are we meant to do? These people cannot co-exist with civilisation. More attacks will be made, more civilians will die and some of us may even lose people close to us. Make no mistake, we are at war. But it isn't a war we will lose.

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Serious / Re: HAPPENING IN BELGIUM
« on: March 22, 2016, 08:17:42 AM »
Unlike with Paris I'm not angry this time.

Just tired.

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