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Serious / Free college would mostly benefit the rich
« on: May 29, 2016, 05:59:58 PM »
Brookings.

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This report provides new evidence on which groups of students are likely to benefit the most from a policy that eliminates tuition and fees at public colleges and universities. Using nationally representative data on in-state students at public institutions, I find that students from higher income families would receive a disproportionate share of the benefits of free college, largely because they tend to attend more expensive institutions.

Under the Sanders free college proposal, families from the top half of the income distribution would receive 24 percent more in dollar value from eliminating tuition than students from the lower half of the income distribution. The non-tuition costs of attending college, including living expenses, are larger than the costs of tuition and fees for most students. Free college, which does not address these expenses, leaves families from the bottom half of the income distribution with nearly $18 billion in annual out-of-pocket college costs that would not be covered by existing federal, state, and institutional grant programs. Devoting new spending to eliminating tuition for all students involves a tradeoff with investing the same funds in targeted grant aid that would cover more of the total costs of attendance for students from less well-off families.

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The Flood / Rank drugs
« on: May 18, 2016, 07:37:37 PM »
1. LSD.
2. Ketamine.
3. MDMA.
4. Salvia.
5. Shrooms.
6. Cannabis.
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Shit-tier: Cocaine.

1833
Serious / Re: Just one more month UK posters
« on: May 18, 2016, 02:34:19 PM »
So can someone explain me why they want out so badly?
Increasing integration and a lack of democratic legitimacy. The European Commission caused a constitutional crisis in Portugal when it threatened to withdraw funding because the Portuguese constitutional court shot down the Commission austerity measures. There are noises about making a European Army, which Nick Clegg claimed would never happen. Angela Merkel was depicted as a Nazi in Greek newspapers in 2011, again over austerity. The necessity of greater fiscal integration if the EU is even to survive, let alone prosper.


1834
The Flood / Re: Chinese banter is top tier
« on: April 27, 2016, 12:17:04 PM »
Small but strong.

Trusay.

1835
Serious / The Case Against Reality
« on: April 25, 2016, 12:24:26 PM »
The Atlantic

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As we go about our daily lives, we tend to assume that our perceptions—sights, sounds, textures, tastes—are an accurate portrayal of the real world. Sure, when we stop and think about it—or when we find ourselves fooled by a perceptual illusion—we realize with a jolt that what we perceive is never the world directly, but rather our brain’s best guess at what that world is like, a kind of internal simulation of an external reality. Still, we bank on the fact that our simulation is a reasonably decent one. If it wasn’t, wouldn’t evolution have weeded us out by now? The true reality might be forever beyond our reach, but surely our senses give us at least an inkling of what it’s really like.

Not so, says Donald D. Hoffman, a professor of cognitive science at the University of California, Irvine. Hoffman has spent the past three decades studying perception, artificial intelligence, evolutionary game theory and the brain, and his conclusion is a dramatic one: The world presented to us by our perceptions is nothing like reality. What’s more, he says, we have evolution itself to thank for this magnificent illusion, as it maximizes evolutionary fitness by driving truth to extinction.

Getting at questions about the nature of reality, and disentangling the observer from the observed, is an endeavor that straddles the boundaries of neuroscience and fundamental physics. On one side you’ll find researchers scratching their chins raw trying to understand how a three-pound lump of gray matter obeying nothing more than the ordinary laws of physics can give rise to first-person conscious experience. This is the aptly named “hard problem.”

On the other side are quantum physicists, marveling at the strange fact that quantum systems don’t seem to be definite objects localized in space until we come along to observe them. Experiment after experiment has shown—defying common sense—that if we assume that the particles that make up ordinary objects have an objective, observer-independent existence, we get the wrong answers. The central lesson of quantum physics is clear: There are no public objects sitting out there in some preexisting space. As the physicist John Wheeler put it, “Useful as it is under ordinary circumstances to say that the world exists ‘out there’ independent of us, that view can no longer be upheld.”

So while neuroscientists struggle to understand how there can be such a thing as a first-person reality, quantum physicists have to grapple with the mystery of how there can be anything but a first-person reality. In short, all roads lead back to the observer. And that’s where you can find Hoffman—straddling the boundaries, attempting a mathematical model of the observer, trying to get at the reality behind the illusion. Quanta Magazine caught up with him to find out more.

1836
Also, what the fuck is a growth-fuelled boom and bust? It's usually not a good idea to discuss something like the business cycle without saying exactly what you mean.

1837
This idea that infinite growth isn't possible is nonsense. There is no physical upper limit to our capacity to exploit resources, and we are constantly getting better at it as we develop technology. Energy consumption, for instance, falls as societies become more affluent as more efficient ways of exploiting energy production are invented.

The only 'real' constraint is the rate at which we develop technology, which is not only endogenous but is, at the moment, not really causing us any problems besides the exploitation of fossil fuels. . . And even then most of that is down to the political class not implementing the correct policies, and ridiculous amounts of scaremongering around nuclear energy.

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I mean, I've yet to experience le ebin pwogwessive censorship at my uni yet and the demographics there are like 70% females enrolled into liberal arts degrees.
Because it usually happens through no-platforming or discreet bans on certain sources of information--like The Sun or the Daily Express. I didn't think my uni was too bad, but both it and the SU has a 'red' ranking by the FSUR (you can check your own ranking here) and at least half of all British universities have banned or censored certain ideas.

1839
Serious / Re: Praise Britannica - circumcision ruling
« on: April 22, 2016, 06:12:55 AM »
yet there's people serving decades in prison for willingly putting chemicals into their own bodies.
You're good at bringing up totally irrelevant things.
 
Being anti-circumcision doesn't make you pro-war on drugs. Nor does being anti-circumcision mean you are diverting your resources away from bigger problems that need your attention; although, funnily enough, given that you've made your own priorities clear here, I have to ask why you are focusing on telling anti-circumcision people they are wrong when you could be focusing on something that is--by your own admission--much more important.

Or are you immune from your own criticism?

1840
The Flood / Re: welcome, my son
« on: April 20, 2016, 07:56:30 AM »
>hates drugs
>listens to psych rock

gg

1841
gaol
why do you spell it that way
It's the 'tradition' English way of spelling it; I used to read a lot of 40K books when I was like 12-13 that spelled it that way, plus my history teacher encouraged us to do it for some fucking reason. So it stuck.

1842
Because you're advocating jailing an innocent so the 1000 criminals stay in jail.
Because, funnily enough, keeping dangerous people out of society is a first-rate consideration for any criminal justice system; that's pretty much it's entire point. In fact, I'd say it's probably more important.

We haven't managed to improve our justice system over the years by making sure nobody who is innocent goes to gaol. Keeping dangerous people out of society is always the first concern, and then we work on improving our abilities at not locking up people who haven't done anything.

Not only do we have a moral obligation to try our hardest not to send innocent people to prison, you better believe we also have one to deliver a safe and stable society as best we can. Releasing hundreds of dangerous criminals is not particularly conducive to that.

1843
Serious / Re: Neoliberalism?
« on: April 19, 2016, 01:42:41 PM »
Noam Chomsky's book Profit Over People: Neoliberalism and Global Order seems like a good place to start.
Lol. It's awful.

1844
Serious / Re: Neoliberalism?
« on: April 19, 2016, 01:42:19 PM »
"Neoliberalism" is mostly a useless term, used as vague attacks instead of nuanced discussion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberalism
So . . . What? It has a definition?

Great. That doesn't change the way how people use it, which is as a vague attack to avoid nuanced discussion. If you actually read through that wikipedia page, you'll notice that it states neoliberalism was originally based off the ideas of Mises and Hayek. Mises and Hayek are worlds apart in a lot of respect, as were Hayek and Friedman, and for some reason Rand turns up, etc. etc.

A label that can include pretty much anybody in the mainstream (which, let's be honest, is all it really means) and that doesn't actually bring anything new to the table in terms of evidence or novel points, isn't very useful. It's used mostly by ignorant, virtue-signalling faggots who have no interest in the concepts at play except as ways to highlight what side they're on.

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Serious / Re: Neoliberalism?
« on: April 19, 2016, 01:30:19 PM »
"Neoliberalism" is mostly a useless term, used as vague attacks instead of nuanced discussion.

1846
Whatever steps need to be taken to acheive not letting a single innocent man step foot in a prison cell, should be taken.
Well, sure, but agreeing with this statement doesn't necessarily put you on one side or the other in your OP's dichotomy. You can think a 1-to-1,000 trade-off is not equitable or just, and still believe that the presumption of innocence should be heavily defended.

1847
No justice system is perfect, and we have systems of compensation for people who we later discover were wrongfully imprisoned. Imprisoning one innocent man is nowhere near as immoral as letting hundreds or thousands of violent criminals out.

1848
The Flood / Re: UK never again
« on: April 17, 2016, 12:57:29 AM »
Mother fucker you're never going to let that go.

Well that sounds like a better trip than to the library.
I remember that.

That was fucking funny.

1849
Serious / Re: 2016 Election
« on: April 16, 2016, 04:36:47 PM »
What the fuck is going on with Sanders and his hesitancy to release his full, current tax reforms?

Also, why all the MUH BUNKS?

1850
which is the same thing as stating, "i think your outlook is outdated"

I'm pretty sure Mordo's whole point is that this really isn't an interesting thing to say in any kind of discussion about policy or values. So he thinks his view is outdated. . . So what? He doesn't elucidate why, and thus offers no justification. Saying "Your view is outdated because X" is different to just asserting "Your view is outdated".

EDIT: Looked back. In fairness, Class did give justification for his assertion.

1851
Class pretty much summed up my thoughts on this reasonably well.
In that case, given your agreement, I'm sure you have reasonable counterpoints to my perfectly relevant objections.

1852
I don't see the issue.
You really don't see the issue with unions shafting non-union labour?

Its cronyism, just not a corporation doing it.

1853
The Flood / Re: It's fucking snowing. . . In April.
« on: April 16, 2016, 12:51:05 AM »
No it isn't
It is here you slack-jawed cunt.

1854
The Flood / It's fucking snowing. . . In April.
« on: April 16, 2016, 12:33:10 AM »
What the fuck?

1855
Serious / Bernie Sanders' tax returns
« on: April 15, 2016, 08:18:41 PM »
Lol.

So, the Sander's campaign released his tax returns. . .

Well, no, they didn't. They released part of his tax returns--the 1050--and presented it as something new, which it isn't. It's been floating around for ages. He paid an effective rate of 13.5pc on an income of $205,000. His net worth is probably north of $1mil, and he's probably in the top 2pc of earners. He also didn't disclose the addendum on charitable donations, nor capital gains/losses.

For a candidate so invested in transparency, he sure is dragging his fucking feet on this.

1856
The Flood / Re: Can you personally prove the Earth isn't flat?
« on: April 15, 2016, 08:01:18 PM »
Yeah. One time I fucked your mom so hard she flew off and hit me in the back about thirty seconds later.

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Gaming / Okay, I'm hyped
« on: April 15, 2016, 07:11:13 PM »
Paradox Interactive--creators of Crusader Kings and Europa Universalis--are bringing out a sci-fi 4X game using the Clausewitz Engine in early May.

If you like strategy games, check out Stellaris on Steam.

1858
The Flood / Heroin is a widely used painkiller in British hospitals
« on: April 15, 2016, 06:16:23 PM »
Beat that, yanks.

1859
The Flood / Re: Sep7agon is dead
« on: April 15, 2016, 04:57:23 PM »
So this is how Sep7agon dies. . .


With thunderous applause.

1860
Except one branch of technology isn't inherently better than the other.
While this is an exceptionally weak response (some forms of technology are empirically more beneficial when developed), my point was about the technology sector against other sectors, like construction.

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Employers literally couldn't care less about their employees
I wish you would stop ignoring the fact that unions are literally lobbying the government for unfair legislation to benefit them. This is principally equivalent to the Koch Brothers lobbying for laxer environmental regulations. It is an unnecessary imposition of cost of other people for no reason other than self-interest. These unions are literally being greedy.

But that's okay to you, because you're so blinded by corporation hatred that you think it's acceptable for some workers to get absolutely fucked up the arse simply because they were too stupid to disagree with you--or find themselves in a sector with low-density unionisation, for reasons out of their control. Here's a solution: why don't we argue in favour of legislation to benefit all workers? Instead of allowing unions to get away with despicable shit like this because they're following the One True Path.

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Not joining a union is willingly letting the necessary greed of corporations have it's way with you.
This is only really true in lower-skilled labour markets. High-productivity firms, especially firms involved in technology, are highly competitive in terms of attracting labour so long as the government effectively prevents them from establishing a cartel. What I'm arguing for is that unions ought to meet the same principles and standards we hold corporations to.

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