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1711
« on: June 22, 2016, 11:49:11 AM »
Just read up last night that if England decides to leave the EU, Scotland threatened to call another vote for their Independence because they want to stay. Along with the rest of the UK wanting to stay.
And it might actually work this time since it's not just "FREEEEEEEDOM" anymore, but more so "They kicked us out of what we all wanted. Do you still want to be a part of that?"
Just read up last night that if England decides to leave the EU, Scotland threatened to call another vote for their Independence because they want to stay. Along with the rest of the UK wanting to stay.
And it might actually work this time since it's not just "FREEEEEEEDOM" anymore, but more so "They kicked us out of what we all wanted. Do you still want to be a part of that?"
So there is a much higher chance that if England leaves the EU, the UK will split off as a result. Guess we'll find out if England wants their "freedum" come tomorrow.
Similar concerns exist for Northern Ireland, which is part of the UK but still on the Irish island. The Irish generally favor Remain a lot more than the British, so this could cause some issues too.
The Spanish wouldn't be very enamoured with the idea of Scotland having another referendum and then joining the EU; it spells doom for them and Catalonia.
1712
« on: June 22, 2016, 11:46:58 AM »
Props to him for being honest, even though the timing is somewhat surprising. No really sure how much this matters though, as the Commission involvement in the UK's deal was extremely limited. This would hold a lot more weight if it came from the president of the Council where these negotiations actually take place.
Yeah, I have to respect him for just coming out with it. Although it may not have much weight in a technical sense, it's certainly got symbolic weight; I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people take this as Juncker basically shitting on the prospects for reform, and it could send some mildly Eurosceptic "undecided"s to the exit.
1713
« on: June 22, 2016, 10:44:11 AM »
Could prove to be pretty nuclear, coming out with this the day before we vote.European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker said on Wednesday that there would be no changes to a package of measures that EU governments agreed with Britain in February aimed at keeping London in the 28-nation bloc.
"British policymakers and British voters have to know that there will be no kind of renegotiation," Juncker said of the deal on Feb. 20 that gave Britain an explicit exemption from the founding goal of "ever closer union", offered concessions on the welfare rights of migrant workers and safeguards for the City of London financial centre.
"We have concluded a deal with the prime minister. He got the maximum he could receive and we gave the maximum we could give. So there will be no renegotiation, not on the agreement we found in February, nor as far as any kind of treaty negotiations are concerned," Juncker said. What else is there to say, really? We apparently got Europe's maximum, and it isn't enough.
1714
« on: June 22, 2016, 08:20:03 AM »
From Andrew Neil's twitter feed:
Head of German Industry: post-Brexit trade barriers would be "very, very foolish"; urges "trade regime to maintain levels of trade we have".
1715
« on: June 22, 2016, 06:54:34 AM »
- David Cameron has again confirmed that he intends to stay on as prime minister even if the country votes Leave.
The Tories are the party of regicide. It'll be interesting to see if he lasts. Also, if you haven't already, can you watch this: I haven't yet seen it myself, but the Spectator is a relatively respected conservative publication. I think the audience is pro-Leave by the end, but I want to know your thoughts all the same.
1716
« on: June 22, 2016, 05:51:46 AM »
socialism isn't what's killing Venezuela, it's anti-marketism.
The two tend to go hand in hand.
1717
« on: June 20, 2016, 01:34:30 PM »
So I'm like 60 pages into Roger Bootle's book, and the past ten or so pages have brought up some points that I would really like to see discussed:
- The European Union suffers from a profound and existential identity crisis; what is its purpose? It is to link together countries which are culturally European? To link together countries which are geographically close? Is it to simply keep expanding, and to be a progenitor of global governance? Without answering this question, it is entirely unclear which direction the EU should be heading in.
- The EU has made its expansionist desire quite clear; the integration of second-wave, former Communist-bloc countries like Romania and Bulgaria (which have per capita GDPs a fraction of the size of founding members) and the potential integration of even larger and much poorer countries like Turkey ad Ukraine makes this undeniable. Yet the existence of the Euro--and the will of the European elite--is inexorably going to push towards greater integration. The Union cannot exist as both an expansionist and an integrationist body.
- The rotating country-based presidency of the Council of Ministers makes no sense; the civil servants and bureaucrats of a country like Croatia are much less numerous and, in general, less experienced than those of the UK or Germany.
- The Centre for European Reform details how weird the Commission is as an institution; it is altogether legislative, quasi-judicial, analytical and regulatory.
- The expanding nature of the EU--and QMV--gives individual countries less voice, and many important decisions are simply made between heads of state and the president of the Commission.
- Institutionally--and culturally--membership of the European Union represents a significant divergence from the British democratic tradition. As far back as the Anglo-Saxon kings, rulers were effectively elected (by the witenagemot) and the subsequent Norman rulers toned down their authoritarianism in response to unruly barons and the growing power of Parliament. In 1327 Parliament deposed Edward II and in 1399 it deposed Richard the II. Again, Charles I and James II were deposed, and the supremacy of parliament was established with the Glorious Revolution in 1688. Democracy in Britain essentially means the ability of the people to immediately remove the government when they so wish; governance by European institutions--and by the Commission, no less--breaks with this tradition.
1718
« on: June 20, 2016, 09:26:54 AM »
How it should react? Based on actual facts and reason. When the President of the European Commission expresses a desire for the Union to move towards having an army, this is an expression which must be given due consideration. It's not simply the personal aspirations of one man; it's the political aspirations of the current President of the Commission. That has more weight than you seem to be willing to give it. Does it mean anything concrete, such as in terms of forthcoming legislation? No, and I'm not claiming it does. But it belies the attitude of those at the top of the EU as to which direction the union should be going. And it's not a path I want my country to tread. As much as the law states that the UK effectively has a veto, numerous European politicians are in favour of effectively having a European Army ( and the Germans are currently trying to make progress in that direction). But, we are not simply voting for the next five or ten years. The decision we will take will have lasting effects on a much longer time-frame; how far into the future can you reasonably say that a European Army is not on the cards? Especially with the drastic need for greater fiscal and political integration if the Euro is to survive. The EU, presumably, could establish some kind of Army only between consenting member-states. But then we come back to my central concern of the UK being on the periphery of a two-speed Europe, now in the realm of security as well as economics. Among other names who have called for greater martial integration is an Italian foreign minister, Angela Merkel and--as I'm sure you know--Guy Verhofstadt. It's blindingly clear that the "European elite", as populistic a term as that is, is somewhat enamoured with the idea. the odds that we're going to be seeing an actual European army are just about zero.
Can you say you trust future governments to act appropriately in this manner? I don't, and I'd rather remove the possibility altogether. Why have an integrated European defence force alongside NATO? Numerous political organisations all acting in the same arena almost invariably compete with one another for resources, and usually to the detriment of their policy areas. As convincingly as you make the case that it is unlikely a European Army will be formed, to claim the probability is "around zero" is ludicrous. Not only are some pretty fucking massive names making noises about this, but some countries are clearly willing to push towards and it has military officials very concerned. It is symptomatic of this federalising attitude that seems to pervade the European Union; we don't even need a European Army, NATO works just fine, yet all the same it keeps coming up time and time again because European politicians keep fucking talking about it.
1719
« on: June 20, 2016, 07:59:14 AM »
1720
« on: June 20, 2016, 07:38:24 AM »
Lord Guthrie has defected to Leave, again over concerns of a European Army.
1721
« on: June 20, 2016, 07:23:41 AM »
Of all the things used in the Leave campaign, this one of the most fearmongering ones, in my opinion.
Britain went from a discussion where our leading pro-EU politician, Nick Clegg, hounded Nigel Farage for suggesting a European Army was a possibility--specifically labelling it a "dangerous fantasy". . . To Jean Claude Juncker calling for exactly that. How do you expect the electorate to respond to something like that?
1722
« on: June 20, 2016, 06:54:48 AM »
Also: Brexit would make the UK more secure by scuppering plans for an EU army, French admirals claim.A Brexit vote would make Europe and the UK more secure as it would stop the “dangerous” integration of armies of EU member states, two senior French Admirals have said.
In a letter in The Telegraph Vice admiral Michel Debray and Rear Admiral Claude Gaucherand say the UK would not be "diminished" by a vote to leave the EU but would prevent the "inevitable and dangerous" development of an EU fighting force.
They add that the UK's neighbours will want to "cooperate on close and friendly terms" even if Britain is outside the bloc because it is such a strong military and economic power.
The men, who both support a vote to leave, also warn that "scaremongering" about the UK's military prowess after a possible Brexit "makes no sense" because Britain would "remain a major force".
1723
« on: June 20, 2016, 06:51:43 AM »
Thought this was interesting.Nearly half of voters in eight big European Union countries want to be able to vote on whether to remain members of the bloc, just as Britons will in a referendum next month, according to an opinion poll published on Monday.
Forty-five percent of more than 6,000 people surveyed in Belgium, France, Germany, Hungary, Italy, Poland, Spain and Sweden said they wanted their own vote, and a third would opt to leave the EU if given the chance, poll firm Ipsos-MORI said.
The size of the potential "Out" vote ranges from as high as 48 and 41 percent in Italy and France respectively to as low as 22 and 26 percent in Poland and Spain, the firm said.
1724
« on: June 20, 2016, 05:40:36 AM »
Isnt Sargon the same shithead who said working poor people dont exist?
No.
1725
« on: June 19, 2016, 05:51:17 PM »
The success of the human species, in terms of material development, is almost entirely due to our ability to believe in spooks in the first place. Were we not able to think conceptually, institutions, religions and nations would not exist. There is no possible way to criticise a spook from a de-spooked position, because a de-spooked position necessarily negates your ability to engage properly with the idea in question.
The goal is finding the right spooks to adhere to.
1726
« on: June 19, 2016, 05:45:23 PM »
Fuck me man, I've been neglecting this site again. I'm sorry Flee, I just left your comment dangling.
That's alright, I wasn't really expecting a response to this one anyways.
Do you know any pro-EU, pro-Remain resources/sites/articles you think it would be good for me to read? I'm trying to smash a book by an economist called The Trouble With Europe before the vote; seems only fair I give the other side due consideration.
1727
« on: June 19, 2016, 10:43:39 AM »
i hope he tackles that paul joseph watson cunt some day
Paul Joseph Watson is the one guy I have no respect for simply because he annoys me. I can't even watch his videos to study his positions, because every time I listen to his voice I get this boiling, irrational rage inside me. OT: Sargon commented on that video, so I'd expect him to make a response video soon. Which should be interesting.
1728
« on: June 19, 2016, 10:41:05 AM »
Fuck me man, I've been neglecting this site again. I'm sorry Flee, I just left your comment dangling.
1729
« on: June 17, 2016, 11:39:07 AM »
verb and I go to traverse city together every summer
can i come with you when im in america
1730
« on: June 17, 2016, 11:35:05 AM »
Switched my vote to good ol' Gary J.
1731
« on: June 17, 2016, 11:32:27 AM »
piss-up when?
1732
« on: June 17, 2016, 10:48:18 AM »
>luton
I saw the title, I expected luton. I saw luton.
Bravo multiculturalism.
I know a Polish don who lives in Luton. I always refer to it as "the frontline". It pisses him off so much.
1733
« on: June 16, 2016, 03:30:00 PM »
You ALWAYS aim for center mass.
Yup. If you're gonna shoot somebody, you'd better go for the chest. Best way to drop 'em quicky.
1734
« on: June 16, 2016, 03:28:48 PM »
A typical police taser has an effective range of about 5 meters
The X-26 comes with cartridges of variable ranges, with the furthest being 35ft. Or around 11m. Also, bearing in mind this is a demonstration that appears to be meant to show the functionality of a Taser, I have my doubts that the coppers acted as they would've done in a real-life situation. Unless somebody is immediately threatened, usual course of action for the police is to call in more officers. And watching some Youtube videos of coppers trying to take down people with weapons, I'm yet to find one where they literally stand still as somebody charges them while firing the Taser as that cop did in the demonstration.
1735
« on: June 16, 2016, 02:42:48 PM »
when the taser actually incapacitates the guy
I'm not gonna lie, I'm surprised the copper got that close to him, even though it was just a demonstration.
1736
« on: June 16, 2016, 12:24:10 PM »
This seems to be reliant on having multiple officers.
Not since tasers have become standard issue.
1737
« on: June 16, 2016, 12:13:58 PM »
Thought this was pretty interesting.
1738
« on: June 16, 2016, 12:10:25 PM »
Whats the big deal about this European Union vote anyway?
About half the population want to stay in the European Union, because it helps things like trading, judicial co-operation, political clout and defence. The other half disagrees, believing we have given away our national sovereignty to be partially governed by a relatively undemocratic and ineffectual institution. The people voting to Remain are, by and large, voting to avoid economic troubles that would follow from leaving and to maintain our position of authority both in the world and in Europe. The people voting to Leave are, by and large, voting to regain our national sovereignty, give us back the powers to limit immigration from Europe and allow us to focus on our own priorities as a country.
1739
« on: June 16, 2016, 11:44:13 AM »
She was shot in her constituency, around Yorkshire. Reports are that the attacker shouted "Britain First" before shooting (this is, as yet, entirely a rumour and AFAIK not present in the BBC's reporting) and apparently used a homemade firearm. Jo Cox, 41, Labour MP for Batley and Spen, was left bleeding on the ground by her attacker. A 77-year-old man also suffered slight injuries.
A 52-year-old man was arrested near Market Street, Birstall, West Yorkshire Police said. The MP held a weekly advice surgery nearby.
The MP's death was confirmed at police headquarters in Wakefield.
Police said they were not looking for anyone else in connection with the attack.
Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn said the country would be "in shock at the horrific murder", describing the MP as a "much loved colleague".
He added: "Jo died doing her public duty at the heart of our democracy, listening to and representing the people she was elected to serve.
"In the coming days, there will be questions to answer about how and why she died.
"But for now all our thoughts are with Jo's husband Brendan and their two young children. They will grow up without their mum, but can be immensely proud of what she did, what she achieved and what she stood for."
1740
« on: June 16, 2016, 08:24:12 AM »
Where they discussed how gays should be thrown from rooftops. An undercover police officer recorded British Muslim extremists calling for gay people to be thrown from 'high buildings', a court heard today.
Five men are accused of addressing or arranging meetings in support of the terror group at a church hall and the back garden of a home in Luton, Bedfordshire, last summer.
The first defendant, who cannot be named for legal reasons, allegedly told one gathering: 'We know that Islam is going to dominate all of this earth.'
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