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Serious / Brexit Minister David Davis's plan for leaving the EU
« on: July 14, 2016, 08:43:02 AM »
Since he is now Brexit Minister it seems more than relevant:

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Economic growth in the UK has been founded on a number of unhealthy characteristics in the last decade or so.  It has depended above all on large population increases based on uncontrolled mass migration.  This has made the economy bigger, but not necessarily better for individual citizens, as shown by GDP per capita growth rates of two per cent or less – significantly weaker than in most decades since the Second World War.  It has depended on moving a large number of people moving out of unemployment, which is good, but because the new jobs tend to be low paid it created a low productivity economy.  And it all depends far too much on domestic demand, which even after 2008 is excessively funded by consumer credit.  This is unsustainable in the long run.

So we need to shift our economy towards a more export-led growth strategy, based on higher productivity employment. Fortunately, this will prove eminently possible as a part of a Brexit-based economic strategy. Indeed, far from being the risky option that many have claimed, Brexit gives us many tools to deal with the very serious economic challenges that the country will face in the coming decades.

Taking back control of trade

First of all, leaving the EU gives us back control of our trade policy, and gives us the opportunity to maximise returns from free trade.

Because any deals currently settled are obtained by finding a 28 nation compromise, the EU is clumsy at negotiating free trade deals. That is why we currently only have trade deals with two of our top ten non-EU trading partners.  This is incredibly important to us, as about 60 per cent of our trade is with the non-EU world. In fact, we sell as much to non-EU countries with which we have no trade agreements as we do to the EU.

The first order of business is to put that right.  As the amicable statements coming from the US, Australia, China and India show, these countries are as keen to knock down trade barriers as we are.

Single countries, with the ability to be flexible and focussed, negotiate trade deals far more quickly than large trade blocs.  For example, South Korea negotiated a deal with the US in a single year, and with India, which is notoriously difficult, within three years.  Chile was even faster, negotiating trade deals with China, Australia and Canada in under a year.

The EU, by comparison, takes more than six years to negotiate trade deals; the deals which would most benefit us, such as those with Canada or the US, take even longer.  And without the often conflicting requirements of 28 different countries to consider, deals negotiated by single countries tend to be broader and have more favourable terms on matters that are important to us, such as services.

So be under no doubt: we can do deals with our trading partners, and we can do them quickly.  I would expect the new Prime Minister on September 9th to immediately trigger a large round of global trade deals with all our most favoured trade partners.   I would expect that the negotiation phase of most of them to be concluded within between 12 and 24 months.

So within two years, before the negotiation with the EU is likely to be complete, and therefore before anything material has changed, we can negotiate a free trade area massively larger than the EU.  Trade deals with the US and China alone will give us a trade area almost twice the size of the EU, and of course we will also be seeking deals with Hong Kong, Canada, Australia, India, Japan, the UAE, Indonesia – and many others.

How will this help our economy?  For a start, it will obviously provide massive markets for our exports, but it will also helps to cut the costs for our manufacturing industries.  For example, let’s take our car manufacturers.  Electronics in today’s cars already exceed 25 per cent of the total vehicle value, and this proportion is only expected to grow as drivers demand ever more from their vehicles in terms of performance, safety, comfort, convenience and entertainment.  And the vast majority of the world’s electronic components are manufactured in Asia.

Many of these components currently face tariffs, increasing their costs.  The elimination of such tariffs will decrease the cost of manufacturing a car in the UK, increasing our industry’s global competitiveness.  The same thing will happen across other industries as tariffs come down and the cost of doing business with the UK is reduced.

Now the new trade agreements will come into force at the point of exit from the EU, but they will be fully negotiated and therefore understood in detail well before then.  That means that foreign direct investment by companies keen to take advantage of these deals will grow in the next two years.

Cutting taxes and cutting red tape – but protecting workers.

At home, there is much we can do to make Britain a better place to do business.

We should be expanding export support arrangements for companies too small to have their own export departments, but who wish to sell into these newly opened up market places: an 0800 number that a small specialist manufacturer in the North of England, say, could call for practical help in Shanghai and Sao Paolo, Cape Town and Calcutta.

Regulation already in place will stay for the moment, but the flood of new regulation from Europe will be halted.  We can then look at structuring our regulatory environment so that it helps business, rather than hinders.

At the moment all businesses in the UK must comply with EU regulation, even if they export nothing to the EU.  This impacts on our global competitiveness.  Instead, we should look to match regulation for companies to their primary export markets.

To be clear, I am not talking here about employment regulation.  All the empirical studies show that it is not employment regulation that stultifies economic growth, but all the other market-related regulations, many of them wholly unnecessary.  Britain has a relatively flexible workforce, and so long as the employment law environment stays reasonably stable it should not be a problem for business.

There is also a political, or perhaps sentimental point.  The great British industrial working classes voted overwhelmingly for Brexit.  I am not at all attracted by the idea of rewarding them by cutting their rights. This is in any event unnecessary, and we can significantly improve our growth rate by stopping the flood of unnecessary market and product regulation.

We should also continue with the programme of lessening the tax burden.  In particular, I would focus on reducing taxes that have a deleterious or distortive effect on growth. This Conservative Government has already done good work in this area, with corporate tax rates cut from almost 30 per cent to 20 per cent, and with plans to cut the rate to 15 per cent.  This will make the UK a more attractive business destination, and the tax gained from companies moving their operations to the UK, through the people they employ and the sales they generate, will more than offset any reduced corporate tax take.

Single market access – and why we should take time before triggering Article 50.

This leaves the question of Single Market access.  The ideal outcome, (and in my view the most likely, after a lot of wrangling) is continued tariff-free access.  Once the European nations realise that we are not going to budge on control of our borders, they will want to talk, in their own interest.  There may be some complexities about rules of origin and narrowly-based regulatory compliance for exports into the EU, but that is all manageable.

But what if it they are irrational, as so many Remain-supporting commentators asserted they would be in the run up to the referendum?

This is one of the reasons for taking a little time before triggering Article 50.  The negotiating strategy has to be properly designed, and there is some serious consultation to be done first.   Constitutional propriety requires us to consult with the Scots, Welsh, and Northern Irish governments first, and common sense implies that we should consult with stakeholders like the City, CBI, TUC, small business bodies, the NFU, universities and research foundations and the like.  None of them should have any sort of veto, but we should try to accommodate their concerns so long as it does not compromise the main aim.  This whole process should be completed to allow triggering of Article 50 before or by the beginning of next year.

In this process, we should work out what we do in the improbable event of the EU taking a dog in the manger attitude to Single Market tariff free access, and insist on WTO rules and levies, including 10 per cent levies on car exports. Let us be clear: I do not believe for a moment that that will happen, but let us humour the pre-referendum Treasury fantasy.

In that eventuality, people seem to forget that the British government will be in receipt of over £2 billion of levies on EU cars alone. There is nothing to stop us supporting our indigenous car industry to make it more competitive if we so chose.

WTO rules would not allow us to explicitly offset the levies charged, but we could do a great deal to support the industry if we wanted to.  Research support, investment tax breaks, lower vehicle taxes – there are a whole range of possibilities to protect the industry, and if need be, the consumer. Such a package would naturally be designed to favour British consumers and British industry. Which of course is another reason that the EU will not force this outcome, particularly if we publicise it heavily in a pre-negotiation White Paper.

Brexit – The Big Picture

So how will this look if we get it right?  We will have a more dynamic economy, trading throughout the world.  Our businesses will have greater global opportunities, and will be more competitive.  There will be lower prices in the shops, once we are outside the Common External Tariff.  There will be higher wages for the poorest.  An immigration system that allows us to control numbers.  Control of our laws, so our lives are not hampered by needless and restrictive regulations.

It should be clear from all this that Brexit favours an export-based growth strategy, and that should be what we embrace.  This has implications for macro-economic strategy too.  George Osborne announced that he is abandoning the zero deficit target for 2020, which if nothing else gives us an opportunity to review the approach.   Clearly, any Conservative government would want to continue a strategy of fiscal prudence in terms of spending: we would do well, for example to revise the Canadian-style budgeting approach that we talked about prior to the 2010 election.   We should also recognise that the biggest impact variable in the fiscal mix is tax buoyancy generated by high growth.

Brexit will deliver the circumstances that allow us to pursue an unfettered high growth strategy.  Perhaps a better way to translate that into fiscal balance is to commit to using a significant proportion of the benefits of growth above a target level to deficit reduction, or in time surplus creation.  That really would be “fixing the roof while the sun is shining”.

So in summary, we need to take a brisk but measured approach to Brexit.  This would involve concluding consultations and laying out the detailed plans in the next few months.  In conjunction with the high intensity negotiating free trade round this increase in certainty will stabilise the markets.   As the free trade round and associated economic policies progress, we should see a material increase in foreign direct investment and domestic capital expenditure to take advantage of the opportunities that are created.   This means that some of the economic benefits of Brexit will materialise even before the probable formal departure from the EU around December 2018.   All economic estimates are subject to the vagaries of the world economy, but this approach should allow us to present to the British electorate in 2020 the early fruits of a successful global trade-based economic strategy as we build our place in the world.

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Serious / Re: Theresa May is forming the new cabinet
« on: July 14, 2016, 08:40:47 AM »
So George Osborne, Michael Gove, Nicky Morgan and Jeremy Hunt were all sacked from the cabinet.

It's pretty much a "fuck you" to David Cameron's ability to pick competent ministers.
LOL

What about irritable bowel syndrome?
IDS hasn't been in the cabinet since Crabb was moved to the DWP.

Crabb, as it goes, has resigned.

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Serious / Re: Theresa May is forming the new cabinet
« on: July 14, 2016, 05:42:00 AM »
So George Osborne, Michael Gove, Nicky Morgan and Jeremy Hunt were all sacked from the cabinet.

It's pretty much a "fuck you" to David Cameron's ability to pick competent ministers.

CORRECTION: Hunt was not sacked, and will be staying in Health.

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The Flood / So, my cat came back
« on: July 14, 2016, 05:10:28 AM »
Unfortunately he came back from the vet, wrapped in a blanket. He was hit by a car. I buried him in the garden.

Here's a picture of him, if anybody wants to know what he looked like:
Spoiler

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Serious / Re: Theresa May is forming the new cabinet
« on: July 13, 2016, 05:08:10 PM »
Overall, I'm pretty happy with the appointments. Hammond is an ally of May, and is likely to me more amenable to May's desire to loosen austerity despite his hawkish image; he's a steady hand to have on the wheel, which is what we need.

She managed to keep Boris in the inner circle while basically gutting the Foreign Office and handing the most important jobs to the fairly reasonable Davis and Fox. Fallon remaining at Defence is also a good move in terms of continuity/stability.

Rudd is meh.

The rest of the appointments are to come tomorrow.

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Serious / Re: Pence, Gingrich Tops List of Potential Trump VP's
« on: July 13, 2016, 02:13:45 PM »
My guess is Pence.

Christie is too dis-likeable.

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The Flood / Re: One of my cats is missing
« on: July 13, 2016, 02:12:16 PM »
It's much easier to pay someone 50 bucks every two weeks then save up 200 for the needed equipment.
It's easier to pay somebody to not do a job than save the money?

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Serious / Re: Theresa May is forming the new cabinet
« on: July 13, 2016, 01:55:05 PM »
David Davis, arch-Brexiteer and opponent of May, is currently in Number 10. Might beat Liam Fox for post of Minister for Brexit.

EDIT: Fox is also in No 10 now. No idea what he or Davis will get.

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Serious / Theresa May is forming the new cabinet
« on: July 13, 2016, 01:53:01 PM »
Phillip Hammond as Chancellor.

Boris as Secretary of a gutted Foreign Office.

Amber Rudd, former Secretary of State for Energy and Climate Change, is now in the Home Office.

Michael Fallon is remaining as Defence Secretary.

David Davis is Brexit Minister.

Liam Fox is to head a brand new Department for International Trade.

Elizabeth Truss is Justice Secretary.

Damian Green has taken the DWP.

Chris Grayling is in Transport.

Andrea Leadsom in Environment.

Jeremy Hunt is staying on at Health.

Justine Greening is Education.

Sajid Javid is now in the Department for Communities and Local Government.

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The Flood / Re: One of my cats is missing
« on: July 13, 2016, 01:24:34 PM »
Maybe you've got a wanderer. Sometimes cats do that. Go away for weeks or months and then show up again.
Wouldn't surprise me; he's still young, and there's a first time for everything.

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The Flood / Re: One of my cats is missing
« on: July 13, 2016, 12:50:56 PM »
then keep the fucker out of the kitchen?
We don't have a door between the living room and the kitchen.

Edit since you may have missed it: We've raised dogs and cats for most of my life, and while our area sees the occasional fox there are numerous cats wandering the streets at all hours and mice and birds which our (restlessly young) cats love to hunt.

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The Flood / Re: One of my cats is missing
« on: July 13, 2016, 12:48:07 PM »
put them down in problem areas
Which would be the kitchen. . .

It's not exactly sanitary to have your dog shit in the kitchen, even if on a specially designed mat, nor is it easy to train him to shit somewhere else considering he has been going to the back door for his entire life.

And we still seem to be ignoring the fact that indoor cats need a lot of activity, and simply cannot be left alone for hours on end, otherwise they develop psychological and behavioural issues as well as being at higher risk for obesity.

I'm also given to understand that it's common in America to keep cats indoors; that's actually pretty rare across most of Europe. Frowned upon, even. We've raised dogs and cats for most of my life, and while our area sees the occasional fox there are numerous cats wandering the streets at all hours and mice and birds which our (restlessly young) cats love to hunt.

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The Flood / Re: One of my cats is missing
« on: July 13, 2016, 12:30:15 PM »
Are you all gone for fourteen hours or are you just bad at training dogs?
Our dog is old now. Old as in he probably has one or two years left. He used to be able to wait until we got home before he went for a shit, but nowadays he just shits in the kitchen.

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The Flood / Re: One of my cats is missing
« on: July 13, 2016, 12:14:46 PM »
How so? If one was to actually spend time with their cat and find ways to entertain it, that wouldn't be a problem.
Why don't you come round to my house while we're all at work and look after it, if it's so easy? I'm sure you can find a solution to the fact that we have to leave the back door open so the dog can go for a shit.

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The Flood / Re: One of my cats is missing
« on: July 13, 2016, 07:32:24 AM »
Put posters up and stuff, ask around, and avoid malicious neighbours.

My cat got lost a few months ago and it came back after a few days (mum put posters around in case), but a day after it came back my neighbour claimed she'd seen it's corpse on the main road. Bint.

Hope yours comes back ok.
Yeah, I think it's pretty common for cats to start venturing out for longer--even a few days at a time--as they grow up more. Here's hoping, but we'll see.

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One year after it signed the nuclear deal, Iran is still attempting to secretly procure illicit nuclear technology and equipment, Germany’s domestic intelligence agency revealed last week.

In its 317-page annual report, the Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution, known by its German acronym BfV, said that Iran is engaging in “illegal proliferation-sensitive procurement activities in Germany … at what is, even by international standards, a quantitatively high level.”

The report noted “a further increase in the already considerable procurement efforts in connection with Iran’s ambitious missile technology program which could, among other things, potentially serve to deliver nuclear weapons. Against this backdrop it is safe to expect that Iran will continue it sensitive procurement activities in Germany using clandestine methods to achieve its objectives.”

It also identified over 1,000 associates of Iran-backed terrorist groups that live in Germany, including about 950 members and supporters of Hezbollah and 300 members of Hamas.

“The followers of Islamist-terrorist groups like Hamas and Hezbollah striving for the abolition of the Jewish State of Israel are focused on their regions of origin, which is where they commit most of their terrorist acts of violence,” the report stated.

The report was emphasized by German Chancellor Angela Merkel during her address to the German parliament on Thursday.

“Iran continued unabated to develop its rocket program in conflict with the relevant provisions of the UN Security Council,” Merkel told lawmakers. She added that the anti-missile system NATO deployed in Romania and the system it planned to deploy in Poland were “developed purely for defense” in response to Iran’s illicit military rocket program.

The BfV’s recent intelligence report echoes one that it issued last year, when it warned that Iran was still trying to procure illicit technology for its nuclear and ballistic missile programs, despite then-ongoing nuclear negotiations with world powers.

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Serious / Re: Has meme magic gone too far?
« on: July 13, 2016, 05:10:57 AM »
This year is too much. I want off Mr. Bones' wild ride.

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The Flood / Re: One of my cats is missing
« on: July 13, 2016, 04:16:05 AM »
This is why you don't let your cat outside.
So they can become stressed and obese?

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The Flood / Re: One of my cats is missing
« on: July 13, 2016, 01:49:36 AM »
Good
Go swing from a tree, you fucking monkey.

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The Flood / Re: One of my cats is missing
« on: July 13, 2016, 01:44:18 AM »
how long has it been gone?
Like two days, now. Might still come back, but we've had trouble with foxes and pets before.

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The Flood / Re: One of my cats is missing
« on: July 13, 2016, 01:40:25 AM »
Good I hope it died you fat shit
I will find you.

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The Flood / One of my cats is missing
« on: July 13, 2016, 01:39:22 AM »
Barely even a year old. Probably foxes.

Fuck this world.

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Serious / Re: Bernie endorsing Hillary
« on: July 13, 2016, 12:13:19 AM »
p tasteless
JUST LIKE GMOS

conspiracy confirmed

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Serious / Re: Bill Nye on GMOs
« on: July 12, 2016, 05:54:53 PM »
can't take the video seriously unless you agree with it, right?
There's a difference between using "frankencrops" as a perjorative, and using it in a different context. . .

I misread "condones" as "condemns", so I thought the use of "frankencrops" was serious. Of course I'd deride it. I was mistaken; why would I have an issue with a video that isn't using the term as a scare tactic?

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Serious / Re: Bill Nye on GMOs
« on: July 12, 2016, 05:40:50 PM »

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Serious / Re: Bill Nye on GMOs
« on: July 12, 2016, 05:39:15 PM »
based bill

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Serious / Re: Bernie endorsing Hillary
« on: July 12, 2016, 02:06:54 PM »
umm, he's been saying for months that he will do everything he can to stop donald trump from becoming president even if that means endorsing Clinton.
What's your point?

I'm saying the people getting pissed off at this are dumb for not expecting a politician to actually be political.
What other option does he have?
Are you even reading my posts? I'm not saying he's in the wrong.

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Serious / Re: Theresa May to be next British Prime Memester
« on: July 12, 2016, 12:06:42 PM »
How do you feel about stuff like that and the UK possibly missing out, Meta?
We're still going to be a member of the EU for two more years, so we aren't going to be excluded from this yet. And I really can't see the US or the EU pushing for us to be removed from this during the negotiations.

Like it said in today's press release: "Data flows between our two continents are essential to our society and economy – we now have a robust framework ensuring these transfers take place in the best and safest conditions".

EDIT: Any news on that thing that was posted (possibly by me) not too long ago? Something else to do with data and privacy concerns that you said was currently going through the EU motions?

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Serious / Re: Bernie endorsing Hillary
« on: July 12, 2016, 12:02:43 PM »
umm, he's been saying for months that he will do everything he can to stop donald trump from becoming president even if that means endorsing Clinton.
What's your point?

I'm saying the people getting pissed off at this are dumb for not expecting a politician to actually be political.

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