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12451
« on: October 02, 2014, 05:37:16 PM »
I feel (though open to other ideas) as though our morals change as we become smarter, similar to our understanding of the universe. 100's of years ago things like chemical imbalances in the brain or retardations weren't taken into consideration when determining the punishment for crimes. Today, we better understand these things and do look at them. We also better understand what predisposes people to certain misbehaviors and think about it too. There may be other things we can't grasp as we don't know about them and therefore can't factor them into our decisions. Down the road we may find out about them and it could alter what we think of as moral.
So? You could say exactly the same about any other area of scientific enquiry.
12452
« on: October 02, 2014, 05:32:57 PM »
I know thats the case, though to said certain individuals they just don't realize or care for morality, to them its fine.
Then they're wrong. That's all there is to it on my side.
My points is, morality exists, just not to all.
You could call that "delusion".
12453
« on: October 02, 2014, 05:30:26 PM »
I know thats the case, though to said certain individuals they just don't realize or care for morality, to them its fine.
Then they're wrong. That's all there is to it on my side.
12454
« on: October 02, 2014, 05:29:31 PM »
Read it again, and tell me I'm wrong. This is exactly the crap I'm talking about. You come into this thread, asking for personal advice and then when we're frank about your personality you try to argue against us, confine us to the limits of your OP and de-legitimise our complaints.
12455
« on: October 02, 2014, 05:25:03 PM »
And you'd be right, but when some twisted individual comes along and doesn't know any better, thats where the perspective skews, but only for the individual.
And the argument is that those people are wrong. There needn't be a sacralisation of personal morality to the point of respecting the moral positions of psychopathic, psychotic and deranged individuals. We, as a society, are generally capable of calling people who seriously go against the grain as immoral or evil or even, which is perhaps worse, amoral. We are so intrinsically social that morality can't be separated from it. There are correct and incorrect ways to appreciate human well-being in the same way that medicine tries to appreciate physical health.
12456
« on: October 02, 2014, 05:16:46 PM »
It was just a joke Meta. God forbid I lack the ability to read the tone of letters.
12457
« on: October 02, 2014, 05:15:49 PM »
Nor right, its merely up for interpretation.
And yet there is a clear distinction between actions which depress or appreciate human well-being, when sufficiently separated. We can say with a fair degree of certainty that not removing the eyes of every third child would generally appreciate human well-being more so than removing their eyes.
12458
« on: October 02, 2014, 05:14:16 PM »
If you didn't know that science was created out of the goal to master alchemy, it's fine, it's really not common knowledge.
Well that's like saying the Soviet Union was based on the values of Communism, which it wasn't. It doesn't matter how it started, really.
12459
« on: October 02, 2014, 05:13:02 PM »
Wow, someone is really upset over something so miniscule. How exactly does it work that people get so mad just by a blatantly obviously non-serious post.
dont be a prick the internet is srs bsns espeshly in srs 4um
12460
« on: October 02, 2014, 05:09:13 PM »
I think you're overthinking it.
Well it's your fault. How am I supposed to know when to take you seriously, anymore?
12461
« on: October 02, 2014, 05:05:17 PM »
Science itself is based on the values of empiricism and open discussion.
Technically, science is based on the art of mastering alchemy.
I can't tell if you're trying to make a really obvious joke, or whether you're going to engage in some sort of sophistry >.> Or is it a reference to Newton's apparent fondness for mercury?
12462
« on: October 02, 2014, 04:57:28 PM »
You kinda lost me at the last half of the last sentence. Are you saying there is logical order to morality?
I suppose that's one way of phrasing it, although you could run into a quagmire going by such an axiom. Logical orders to morality are often treated to reductio ad absurdum by people imagining instances where rape, murder, genocide or all manner of atrocities could be logically permissible. As Harris notes, however, it's merely a shortcoming in the ability of people to think reasonably about what a consequence is. The idea that if you have a value to uphold, then facts will follow as you look for the best approach to uphold such a value. Science itself is based on the values of empiricism and open discussion.
12463
« on: October 02, 2014, 04:50:31 PM »
Its subjective.
Is it.
Would you not call a society which scoops the eyeballs out of every third child immoral?
A man can think highly of his morals which he believes are right and just.
Another man can believe in the opposite of the other, and think it normal to do so.
And yet that doesn't rule out the possibility of one - or both - of them being wrong.
12464
« on: October 02, 2014, 04:45:10 PM »
Its subjective.
Is it.
Would you not call a society which scoops the eyeballs out of every third child immoral?
Wouldn't that prove his point to its' subjectivity seeing as there is a contrast between the two culture's views on eye scooping?
No. If a Christian believes God created water before the stars, as he did, thus making the hydrogen-oxygen composition of water impossible he is simply wrong. The same applies for morality, insofar as you admit human well-being is the aim.
12465
« on: October 02, 2014, 04:29:48 PM »
Its subjective.
Is it. Would you not call a society which scoops the eyeballs out of every third child immoral?
12466
« on: October 02, 2014, 03:54:44 PM »
I've been reading and watching some Sam Harris stuff recently, specifically on the science of morality. Basically, he shares the view of many religious people that moral relativism is a piece of philosophical casuistry and, at worst, dangerous.
His general proposition is that as soon as you admit the moral value that an ethical system should be reducible to the foundation of the well-being of people then you can make a judgement call on whether or not an ethical system is better or worse than another one.
Thoughts?
12467
« on: October 02, 2014, 03:45:43 PM »
the death penalty is never justified
For once I actually agree with Kiyo.
12468
« on: October 02, 2014, 03:14:09 PM »
Classic Walker is objectively the best drink on this planet.
No ice though.
frack ice.
>anything but white russians
>best
>being this much of a closet communist go home, red
12469
« on: October 02, 2014, 03:12:25 PM »
Classic Walker is objectively the best drink on this planet.
No ice though.
Fuck ice.
12470
« on: October 02, 2014, 03:10:32 PM »
>tfw class doesn't know scotch is a sort of whiskey
>tfw I did
>tfw scotch still tastes much better than regular whiskey
>tfw vodka > all
>tfw you ask me to post scotch and that's exactly what johnnie walker black is
12471
« on: October 02, 2014, 03:09:56 PM »
Gaming, please.
12472
« on: October 02, 2014, 03:08:59 PM »
So I'd rate it as much safer than alcohol.
Oh, yeah, I agree there.
12473
« on: October 02, 2014, 03:05:54 PM »
>tfw class doesn't know scotch is a sort of whiskey
12474
« on: October 02, 2014, 03:05:03 PM »
However, weed is objectively better for you than alcohol. It's literally harmless.
Apart from aggravating schizophrenia, particularly in teens.
12475
« on: October 02, 2014, 03:03:52 PM »
>shows a picture of redneck piss
>Johnnie Walker 40 whiskey blend, 12 years old >redneck piss Fucking pick one, you degenerate.
12476
« on: October 02, 2014, 03:00:18 PM »
First of all Sept I am not high okay nagger
dis muddafracka
I do not get it.
we can't fucking swear anymore because cheat's a fucking nigger cunt
12477
« on: October 02, 2014, 02:59:01 PM »
12478
« on: October 02, 2014, 02:57:58 PM »
First of all Sept I am not high okay nagger
dis muddafucka
12479
« on: October 02, 2014, 12:13:27 PM »
No, you illiterate dicks.
12480
« on: October 02, 2014, 12:11:06 PM »
Meta has the same problem. Umm, what?
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