I'm still waiting for him to demonstrate how China is communist by either Marx and Engel's measures or by the Oxford English Dictionary's.

He's failed on both counts, thus far.

You linked me to a forum post by a user named SoulSkill.

Which follows quite easily to this:
http://www.technologyreview.com/view/519241/report-suggests-nearly-half-of-us-jobs-are-vulnerable-to-computerization/

This fucking thread is so fucking.

Added Dustin and Officer Faglicker.

Here's the correct definition from the Oxford dictionary

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A political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs

See, the reason I used that definition was because it cited the literature of Friedrich Engels.

Finally, when all capital, all production, all exchange have been brought together in the hands of the nation, private property will disappear of its own accord, money will become superfluous, and production will so expand and man so change that society will be able to slough off whatever of its old economic habits may remain.

However, sticking with your own definition, it'd be great if you should show me exactly how the Chinese class war has succeeded, how all property is publicly owned (I'd say the government doesn't necessarily count, but I don't even need that premise) and how the economy is structured around production for use.

I'll save you the fucking time: none of that is the case. Stop being so facile.

Also, as an aside, the Oxford English Dictionary is surprisingly wrong on this front. People are paid in Communism because their is no money, and it's based on the principles of a gift economy.

MY DING DING DONG

Quote from: Meta Cognition on October 28, 2014, 06:03:24 PM

Quote from: Kinder on October 28, 2014, 06:01:33 PM

China is communist.

Blatantly ignoring facts is more retarded than anything Icy's done.

So you attempt to ignoring the facts? Because the facts is that China is communist

I've posted a definition of Communism for you before, and in this thread. China aren't communist. They don't even call themselves communist, they try to pass themselves off as market socialist, which still isn't true. They are, as I've said, state capitalist.

To think of China as communist isn't just to believe what the Chinese government tells you - which is intellectually arresting in the first place - but to assume that the name of the governing, corrupt party somehow translates into the actual socioeconomic system.

China is communist.

Blatantly ignoring facts is more retarded than anything Icy's done.

From MarketWatch.

AMBERG, Germany--The next front in Germany's effort to keep up with the digital revolution lies in a factory in this sleepy industrial town.

At stake isn't what the Siemens AG plant produces--in this case, automated machines to be used in other industrial factories--but how its 1,000 manufacturing units communicate through the Web.

As a result, most units in this 100,000-plus square-foot factory are able to fetch and assemble components without further human input.

The Amberg plant is an early-stage example of a concerted effort by the German government, companies, universities and research institutions to develop fully automated, Internet-based "smart" factories.

Such factories would make products fully customizable while on the shop floor: An incomplete product on the assembly line would tell "the machine itself what services it needs" and the final product would immediately be put together, said Wolfgang Wahlster, a co-chairman of Industrie 4.0, as the collective project is known.

The initiative seeks to help German industrial manufacturing--the backbone of Europe's largest economy--keep its competitive edge against the labor-cost advantages of developing countries and a resurgence in U.S. manufacturing.

Underpinning the effort is the Internet of Things, where the Web meets real-world equipment. Google Inc. made a big push on the consumer front this year with its $3.2 billion purchase of Nest Labs Inc., which makes thermostats that can be remotely controlled by smartphones and other connected devices.

Full-fledged smart manufacturing is still in the pilot phase. But the German Research Center for Artificial Intelligence has worked with German industrial companies to engineer some of the most advanced demonstrations in the field.

At the center's pilot smart factory in Kaiserslautern, chemicals giant BASF SE produced fully customized shampoos and liquid soaps. As a test order was placed online, radio identification tags attached to empty soap bottles on an assembly line simultaneously communicated to production machines what kind of soap, fragrance, bottle cap color, and labeling it required. Each bottle had the potential to be entirely different from the one next to it on the conveyor belt.

The experiment relied on a wireless network through which the machines and products did all the talking, with the only human input coming from the person placing the sample order.

Siemens's Amberg facility shows what is possible in an operational factory at this point. The plant, which builds automated machines for the factories of German industrial companies like BASF, Bayer AG, Daimler AG and BMW AG--and many of their rivals abroad--has been digitizing gradually for 25 years. Today it is about 75% on autopilot, with 1,150 employees mostly operating computers and monitoring the production process.

Designing a self-operating intelligent manufacturing system over an Internet network could still be a decade away. "We have the building blocks," said Siemens board member Siegfried Russwurm.

Besides Amberg, other German factories on the road to intelligent manufacturing include one operated by electronic motors producer Wittenstein AG, and Robert Bosch GmbH's nascent adaptive assembly line for hydraulic equipment, set to be operational in Homburg this fall.

Germany's foray into the industrial Internet comes amid widespread unease here about U.S. domination of the Internet. Google currently handles 95% of all German Internet searches, according to online statistics portal Statista, and its pervasiveness could pose a challenge for German industrial companies trying to harness the Internet to adopt a more service-oriented business model.

Günther Schuh, a member of the National Academy of Science and Engineering, which helped launch Industrie 4.0, said he has noted "genuine concern in German industry about the monopoly position of companies like Amazon or Google" because they control the interface between consumers and companies.

Google could potentially use its dominant position as a search engine to push its own products and services, while expanding beyond simply providing email, word processing and cloud computing software. For example, the tech company is in the early stages of producing technology for a self-driving car.

Amazon hasn't just stuck to online retailing, but has moved into consumer electronics with its tablet device Kindle Fire and its Fire Phone smartphone.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel has warned that German companies need to do more to stay competitive in the digital economy, while German economics minister Sigmar Gabriel sees dangers in allowing American companies like Google to dominate the so-called Internet data business.

"The big data necessary for Industrie 4.0 to work isn't being collected by German companies, but by four big firms in Silicon Valley. That's our worry," Mr. Gabriel said at a public debate with Google Chairman Eric Schmidt earlier this month.

German executives appear less worried.

Peter Herweck, chief executive of Siemens's division handling motorized equipment, said he doesn't see Google's Internet dominance as a threat to Siemens's digital-manufacturing efforts. "Maybe they can become a partner," he said, by someday helping engineers find tools or parts needing repair inside factories.

"When it comes to the connected world, one needs more than just software" for smart manufacturing, said Werner Struth, a Bosch board member. "One needs products one can touch."

German companies have been at the cutting edge of production technology for years--and now they are getting government help to stay on top.

Industrie 4.0 is the kind of public-private program Germany does well. The government doesn't pick winners through subsidies, but is giving EUR200 million ($253 million) for research to create new technologies and networking opportunities for companies to develop common standards--harnessing a vast system of public research institutes that help companies carry out research and development.

In the U.S., the Obama administration is trying to emulate that research network, having earmarked over $2.2 billion in 2013 for a nationwide manufacturing initiative.

Concurrently, U.S. industrial and tech giants including General Electric Co., AT&T Inc., Cisco Systems Inc., Intel Corp., and International Business Machines Corp. have joined forces in March to create the Industrial Internet Consortium. Like Industrie 4.0, the nonprofit consortium seeks to create a framework for companies and university researchers to establish standards and best practices for industrial applications of the Internet.

We truly are on the cusp of something fundamental, great and beautiful.

I would just say it's a war for stable oil prices.

That doesn't make sense, though. The CCASG, which is unfortunately falling apart at the moment, has done the most for stable oil prices in recent history.

However, is the desire for stable oil prices that reprehensible in the first place?

Quote from: Meta Cognition on October 28, 2014, 04:14:56 PM

Ugh, I hate Bill Maher.

How come?

He's just so fucking uninteresting and unintelligent.

I'm really not mad though, since you're all essentially proving the point.

But we aren't in Serious.

It's a war on Islam, as it should be.

If Muslims want to live here, and conform to our liberal system of the rule of law and tolerance of others' rights - as they haven't done in great enough numbers - I'm more than happy for them to do that. It's great; multiculturalism is socially beautiful.

I will not, however, bend my knee to barbarism and those who would impose upon me their medieval ethics and laws.

Quote from: Meta Cognition on October 28, 2014, 04:15:43 PM

Quote from: Saleem on October 28, 2014, 04:14:33 PM

Are we at war with Eastasia or Eurasia?

Eurasia.

Alright.

*Sips victory gin*

Manipulating information from Minipax?

Off to a labour camp, prole!

Ugh, I hate Bill Maher.