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10531
Serious / Re: Rise of the Stepford Student
« on: November 29, 2014, 01:37:28 PM »
It looks interesting from a cursory glance.

Can I get a tl;dr?

10532
Serious / Re: UN Report Criticizes US Torture, Police Brutality
« on: November 29, 2014, 10:34:38 AM »
so much more than everybody here.


Most people would probably agree that I'm in greater support of measures to ensure liberty, and I don't even self-identify as a libertarian that often.

10533
Serious / Re: UN Report Criticizes US Torture, Police Brutality
« on: November 29, 2014, 10:23:16 AM »
There's a big difference: One is a citizen of the United States
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
And the Declaration isn't a code of law document, it's a document that declares freedom from the British. You only have certain rights till you violate the law and infringe on the rights of others, as in attacking the nation. In that case you will be killed (if you're currently attacking) or arrested
I never claimed it was, I'm saying it's morally disgusting for you to claim to be a libertarian - a man of liberty - and think that those words only apply insomuch as you're a citizen and whether or not what you're doing is illegal.

But, besides that, the Bill of Rights does exempt everybody from cruel and unusual punishment. Funnily enough, torture fits that description.

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Serious / Re: UN Report Criticizes US Torture, Police Brutality
« on: November 29, 2014, 10:13:57 AM »
There's a big difference: One is a citizen of the United States
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

10535
Serious / Private Military Corporations
« on: November 29, 2014, 10:12:42 AM »
I really am split on them; I'm not entirely sure what to think. What's your impression of them?

10536
Serious / Re: Double standards among Muslims
« on: November 29, 2014, 02:44:06 AM »
And jews do the same, you're just letting your bias get in the way.
You're completely missing the point of the OP. You're letting your bias get in the way - at no point did I even begin to imply Jews don't act in an outraged manner.

10537
Serious / Re: US Army "On a mission for both God and country"
« on: November 29, 2014, 02:39:07 AM »
When you think about it, plenty of mainstream religions have a single deity at their head, especially Judaism and Islam. I don't see it as relating to one specific religion
But, y'see, there's this thing called secularism. . .

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Serious / Re: UN Report Criticizes US Torture, Police Brutality
« on: November 29, 2014, 02:38:10 AM »
Oh boo fucking hoo, cry me a damn river. If you're going to conduct terrorist operations against any nation, then you don't deserve a damn spa treatment
Are you seriously trying to excuse torture?

10539
Serious / Re: US Army "On a mission for both God and country"
« on: November 28, 2014, 05:54:53 PM »
For fuck's sake.

10540
Serious / Re: Hey protesters, some people actually have jobs and a life
« on: November 28, 2014, 04:24:58 PM »
This protest isn't just about Brown anymore, it's about the state of the police in general, which is a serious problem that needs addressing. Stopping a few nurses from getting to their menial jobs isn't going to kill anyone, stop being so melodramatic. Like someone else said, no one would pay attention to the protest if it was held on the sidewalk. And are you seriously kidding? Peaceful protests are the crux of social change in America. That's how nearly every movement changed the nation.
A few nurses? Thousands of people were held up, don't pretend to know how many nurses or workers in other areas of important infrastructure were stopped from getting to their jobs. To deny that stopping nurses from getting to their jobs is irresponsible is purely idiotic, and there's no way around that; less nurses mean a higher workload for everybody else.

Nonetheless, they want to protest? Great, I'm with them. Ferguson (and a bunch of other police departments) have serious issues with racism, and it does need changing. This protest, in particular, however, was ill-thought-out, consequentially damaging and just a fucking nuisance at the end of the day. I mean, shit, just look at the media: they're covering the negative aspects of the protest because that was the larger effect of their actions, they aren't focusing on their cause because it's actually quite insignificant.

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Serious / Re: Hey protesters, some people actually have jobs and a life
« on: November 28, 2014, 04:15:34 PM »
Are you kidding? Delaying people from getting to work should be a prosecutable offense? That's just unadulterated idiocy.
I quite clearly said for people involved in healthcare.

Unless you want this protest, about the death of an individual, to result in more deaths? But something tells me you aren't that unreasonable. Not to mention, it does absolutely jack fucking balls for the cause they're promoting.

Progress isn't made by standing across a highway holding signs.

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Serious / Re: Hey protesters, some people actually have jobs and a life
« on: November 28, 2014, 04:12:21 PM »
They're getting in the way of justice and social progression.
Are you fucking kidding?

10543
Serious / Re: Hey protesters, some people actually have jobs and a life
« on: November 28, 2014, 03:44:47 PM »
People are going to argue the same for officers, or for a plethora of jobs.

Passing laws to prosecute protestors, because it's an inconvenience to people, isn't going to make anything better. However, it should be easier for people to find out where protests are going on to adjust travel plans as necessary.
I have no problem with protesting. It's when you cause a serious inconvenience to other people. The fuck are they doing across a road?

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Serious / Re: The Official Serious Reading List
« on: November 28, 2014, 03:43:50 PM »

10545
Serious / Re: Hey protesters, some people actually have jobs and a life
« on: November 28, 2014, 03:42:31 PM »
Stopping people from getting to work is bad enough as it is, but stopping people from working when they're quite clearly in a job of public interest is fundamentally immoral.

The nurses are necessary to the operation of a hospital.

10546
Serious / Re: The Official Serious Reading List
« on: November 28, 2014, 03:40:19 PM »

10547
Serious / Re: Hey protesters, some people actually have jobs and a life
« on: November 28, 2014, 03:38:27 PM »
I see no problem with the protests.
Causing an obstruction to people trying to get to jobs involved in healthcare should be a prosecute-able offence.

10548
Serious / The Official Serious Reading List
« on: November 28, 2014, 03:32:16 PM »
A lot of the books have overlapping themes, so I just tried to group them according to their central ideology. I'm just going off my own books, so feel free to suggest additions.

Libertarianism:
- 1984 and Animal Farm by George Orwell
- The Moon is a Harsh Mistress by Robert A. Heinlein
- Liberty Defined by Ron Paul
- Brave New World by Aldous Huxley
- Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand
- Free to Choose by Milton Friedman
- The Age of Turbulence: Adventures in a New World by Alan Greenspan

Capitalism:
- Capitalism and Freedom by Milton Friedman
- The Wealth of Nations by Adam Smith
- Austrian Economics: A Primer by Dr. Eamonn Butler
- The General Theory of Employment, Interest and Money by John Maynard Keynes
- The Failure of New Economics: An Analysis of the Keynesian Fallacies by Henry Hazlitt
- End the Fed by Ron Paul
- The Federal Reserve and the Financial Crisis by Ben S. Bernanke
- Boom and Bust Banking: the Causes and Cures of the Great Recession by David Beckworth

Authoritarianism:
- Mein Kampf by Adolf Hitler

Conservatism:
- The Quest for Cosmic Justice by Thomas Sowell
- Liberal Fascism by Jonah Goldberg
- American Conservatism: An Encyclopedia by Bruce Fohnen

Liberalism:
- FDR by Jean Edward Smith

Socialism:
- Profit Over People: Neoliberalism and the Global Order by Noam Chomsky
- Occupy by Noam Chomsky
- The Conquest of Bread by Pyotr Kropotkin
- The Communist Manifesto by Karl Marx

Philosophy:
- Thus Spake Zarathustra by Friedrich Nietzsche
- Beyond Good and Evil by Friedrich Nietzsche
- Anarchism by Ruth Kinna
- Enquiries Concerning Human Understanding and Concerning the Principles of Morals by David Hume
- The World as Will and Representation by Arthur Schopenhauer
- Republic by Plato
- The Moral Landscape by Sam Harris
- Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance by Robert M. Pirsig
- The Prince by Niccolo Machiavelli
- Leviathan by Thomas Hobbes
- Common Sense by Thomas Paine

Religion:
- God is Not Great by Christopher Hitchens
- The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins

10549
Serious / Re: Lol, turns out China's "miracle growth" is bullshit.
« on: November 28, 2014, 03:08:30 PM »
Define excessive, because I can say the stimulus packages passed by Bush and Obama have not improved the economy and only created an artificial demand
They didn't, they just counteracted spending restrictions in local/state governments. I don't think stimulus packages can create artificial demand during a recession, anyway, since a recession is literally defined by nominal shocks. You need some really fucked-up investment drives to get misallocation on this level.

Nonetheless, the stimulus packages were a waste.

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Serious / Re: Lol, turns out China's "miracle growth" is bullshit.
« on: November 28, 2014, 03:03:57 PM »
internet magazine
The FT is quite literally the most respected newspaper on the planet.

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So basically this shows that government involvement in the economy simply doesn't work and creates an artificial demand?
Not exactly, no. It shows that excessive government involvement in the economy and excessive amounts of corruption does. Usually, excessive government involvement causes stagnation and inefficiency - but the sheer scale of Chinese investment and corruption basically means their economy could come crashing down.

10551
Serious / Re: Double standards among Muslims
« on: November 28, 2014, 02:00:35 PM »
I'm not sure if I'd quite call it a double standard, if someone was devoutly jewish and supported Israel wholeheartedly with a sticker saying 'Israel is right' (Or something more snappy) then I would expect to see them get pissy about a free palestine sticker >.>
I'm not saying they wouldn't, I'm merely saying it wouldn't be as acceptable as a Muslim getting upset over the issue.

Perhaps, but the conflict is pretty disproportionately sided. The palestinians are getting blown the fuck to pieces whilst the israelis take less casualties than I have fingers. That doesn't make the palestinians right just because they are being hammered, but still >.>
I thought that, but it still doesn't explain the full story, I don't think.

For instance, my example of Nazis and Stalinists. The latter, at least numerically, were worse than the former - so why is the disequilibrium weighted in the other direction.

10552
Serious / Re: Double standards among Muslims
« on: November 28, 2014, 01:47:07 PM »
I'm not sure if I'd quite call it a double standard, if someone was devoutly jewish and supported Israel wholeheartedly with a sticker saying 'Israel is right' (Or something more snappy) then I would expect to see them get pissy about a free palestine sticker >.>
I'm not saying they wouldn't, I'm merely saying it wouldn't be as acceptable as a Muslim getting upset over the issue.

10553
From the BBC.
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Seven mental health patients have killed themselves in England since 2012 after being told there were no hospital beds for them, the BBC has learned.

An investigation of coroners' reports and NHS trust papers with the journal Community Care found another patient denied a bed later killed his mother.

It comes as mental health beds are being cut in England - figures show more than 2100 have gone since 2011.

The NHS England said spending on mental health was increasing in real terms.

The investigation by BBC News and Community Care has also revealed an email that a chief executive of a mental health trust wrote to NHS England in frustration this summer after one of her senior officials came to tell her that: "Yet again there were no mental health beds in London in either the NHS or private sector."

Wendy Wallace, head of Camden and Islington NHS Foundation Trust, bemoaned NHS England's lack of interest in the problem. She wrote: "I could not envisage a situation where all the acute beds in London were full and there was not even an investigation into the situation nor a plan of action."

The investigation established that since 2012 seven people across England have taken their own lives having been told no beds were available. They were:

Pauline Binch, 64, from Nottingham
Stephanie Daniels, 32, from Manchester
Michael Knight, 20, from Norfolk
Mandy Peck, 39, from Essex
Anthony Quigley, 53, London
Terence Mullin, 53, from Liverpool
An unnamed man from Sheffield
In addition, Peter Holboll from London admitted the manslaughter of his mother, Tamara, having been told no beds were available.

A ninth person, Amanda Vickers, 47, from Cumbria, died after being denied a bed in a crisis house, a facility used to treat patients outside hospitals.

10554
Serious / Double standards among Muslims
« on: November 28, 2014, 01:32:48 PM »
There's a Muslim girl in my school with a sticker on the back of her laptop with the statement: "Free Palestine".

Now, I've dealt with my distaste for Islam and preference of Israel over Hamas before, but those are auxiliary issues in this discussion. What I find interesting is that I find Hamas to be, quite seriously, morally offensive. And yet, had I worn something like a lapel pin or put a sticker on my laptop of the Israeli flag, I know quite seriously that this would've provoked some sort of outrage from her.

No, the issue here is not one of the state of Palestine, but the fact that it's okay to hate Israel. If she had displayed her outrage to me for my hypothetical actions, she wouldn't have been punished by my college and yet, had I done the same for her support of Hamas I most definitely would've been punished.

Now, the girl, being a Muslim, might be "allowed" a higher degree of emotionally connectivity to the issue, but why? Even had she not been a Muslim, it's still more socially favourable to not side with Israel on the matter, and yet why is this?

There are perfectly good reasons to think of both Israel and Hamas as morally reprehensible and yet only one side is emotionally and socially acceptable. It's a similar situations for Nazis and Stalinists - it's merely decorum to hate the Nazis more, and it's surely more frowned upon to be a Nazi over a Stalinist.

I'm not going to say it's explicitly to do with religion, but it's certainly dogma. I'm not entirely sure why, though, rational thinking Muslims think they can express higher degrees of emotional outrage at other people's (potentially) morally offensive opinions, and yet expect none of the same in return. And I'm not sure why a majority of them insist on using the freedom of speech afforded to them to curtail other's freedoms, and yet cry bloody murder whenever they smell a whiff of non-existent persecution.

10555
Serious / Quote about immigration - do you agree?
« on: November 28, 2014, 11:42:57 AM »
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Most high-income people in our country do not realize that their incomes are being subsidized by their protection from competition from highly skilled people who are prevented from immigrating to the United States. But we need such skills in order to staff our productive economy, so that the standard of living for Americans as a whole can grow.
From the Maestro.

10556
Serious / Lol, turns out China's "miracle growth" is bullshit.
« on: November 28, 2014, 10:57:18 AM »
China has wasted $6.8 trillion in investment
Chinese "ghost cities" are the result of government stimulus methods and "hyperactive construction", as the Financial Times puts it. According to a report by government researchers, since 2009, $6.8tn worth of investment has been utterly wasted. A State planning agency from China claims that in 2009 and 2013 separately "ineffective" or wasted investment accounted for half the total investment in the Chinese economy.

This year is looking to be China's lowest growth since 1990, and the Chinese government is concerned about bad loans circulating through the financial system which could well cause a debt crisis. Wasted investment, supposedly, went mainly to industries like steel and the construction of cars.

According to two officials from one of the State's research teams, this is due to ultra-loose monetary policy and lack of oversight in government investment. The second explanation is certainly viable, but I'm not sure about the first. Chinese inflation currently stands at 2.3pc, which isn't at all "ultra-loose" and is, in fact, pretty good. However, the PCB's bank rate stands at 6pc, which certainly points away from tightness but doesn't indicate any excessive loose-ness. I can't find any data on ngdp growth, so I can't say for sure.

So, basically, a lot of China's gdp growth has just been wasted.

10557
It was a completely retarded change of tone in comparison to Empire.

10558
Serious / Re: Video of 12 year old shot (NSFW)
« on: November 28, 2014, 09:55:58 AM »
You still justify a child being shot? Well that tells us everything.
I know right!

Damn those police officers for not going up to him and politely asking him to hand over the deadly weapon.

10559
Serious / Yemen's main oil pipeline blown up
« on: November 28, 2014, 02:02:26 AM »
Reuters.
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Nov 26 (Reuters) - Saboteurs blew up Yemen's main oil export pipeline on Wednesday, halting crude flows, the country's defence ministry and an industry source said, in the latest attack on a key source of foreign currency.

Yemen's oil and gas pipelines have been targeted repeatedly, often by tribesmen feuding with the central government, causing fuel shortages and slashing export earnings for the impoverished Arabian peninsula country.

The defence ministry's news website www.26sept.net said Wednesday's attack had occurred in the area of Habab in Marib province, halting flows to export facilities on the Red Sea. An industry source confirmed the stoppage in crude flows.

Yemen has said oil flows through the Marib pipeline, its main petroleum export route, at a rate of around 70,000 barrels per day (bpd). Before the spate of attacks began three years ago, the 270-mile (435-km) pipeline carried around 110,000 barrels per day to Ras Isa, the export terminal on the Red Sea.

Most of Yemen's output is from the Marib-Jawf area in the north, with the rest coming from Masila in the southeast.

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Serious / Re: OPEC decides against production cut
« on: November 28, 2014, 01:48:28 AM »
And yet the price of petrol here is like 60pc tax, anyway.

Fuck the government.

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