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The Flood / I've done it, I've found the funniest vine
« on: October 02, 2014, 11:27:50 AM »
YouTube


I'm gonna die.

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Serious / Guy at my college was busted for selling drugs
« on: October 01, 2014, 01:30:38 PM »
Some teachers took him out of a lesson and searched him, apparently finding ecstasy which is Class A here. Supplying Class As can land you up to life in prison, an unlimited fine or both.

The police raided his house, found drugs in his room and he, apparently, answered "No comment" to everything while being questioned. No idea what'll happen to him, but I guess we'll find out.

Damn drug laws, man.

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Serious / Do you prefer Richard Dawkins or Christopher Hitchens
« on: October 01, 2014, 01:19:53 PM »


I just found that picture, and it's actually quite reasonable in its perception.

OT: I massively preferred Hitchens.

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fracking hell
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It was a horrific killing that shocked even the most hardened prison officers.

Vile paedophile Mitchell Harrison was butchered by two fellow cons who cut out his stomach in one of Britain’s toughest jails.

The 23-year-old child rapist was ­allegedly held down and tortured by Michael Parr and Nathan Mann who are said to have covered his mouth and ignored his screams for mercy.

He was disembowelled with a makeshift blade believed to have been embedded in plastic.

A jail source last night said the brutal attack was like “something out of a medieval torture chamber”.

The insider added: “It was barbaric. Mitchell’s body was discovered shortly after breakfast.

“He was in a terrible state. His killers had somehow managed to overpower him, keep him down and keep him quiet before disembowelling him.”

Parr, 32, and 23-year-old Mann ­allegedly targeted Harrison in Durham’s Frankland Jail because of his sickening history of child sex offences.

Durham Police confirmed three cons had been arrested after another inmate was found dead in a cell.

The third man was later ruled out of the investigation.

Police said of the attack: “The man who died can now be named as Mitchell Dean Harrison, whose last address was in Cumbria. He was pronounced dead at the scene. A homicide investigation is under way. Three men, who were also prisoners, were arrested at the scene.

“The cell where the man was found has been cordoned off pending a full forensic examination.”

Two men aged 32 and 23 have been charged with murder and are due before Peterlee magistrates today.

Harrison, of Kendal, Cumbria, was jailed last year after raping a 13-year-old schoolgirl twice.

The unsuspecting youngster had accompanied him back to his flat where he said he was going to get money for cigarettes and drink.

But once he had lured her inside he ordered the terrified girl to strip and raped her twice.

She managed to escape when another man arrived and was found naked in the street with her clothes in her arms.

The pervert was given an indeterminate sentence by a judge at Carlisle crown court as it was the third time he had been involved in sex attacks on young girls.

At the age of 13 Harrison got a formal warning for indecently assaulting a seven-year-old in an incident which would now be classed as rape.

And two years later he was back in court for threatening to rape a 15-year-old classmate whose breasts he grabbed during a lesson.

Prosecutor Rob Dudley told the court that Harrison, who is originally from Wolverhampton, had sexual activity with a 15-year-old just a few days before the rape of the 13-year-old.

Judge Peter Hughes QC said Harrison had to be locked up for public protection because it was clear that he posed a substantial risk to young girls.

A postmortem examination found Harrison died from multiple injuries.

A nice selection from my news feed:
- Fab
- Should have cut his nob off n made him eat it
- serves him right!

We're surrounded by barbarians.

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The Flood / FUCK YOU CHEAT
« on: October 01, 2014, 11:22:51 AM »
Why can't I swear anymore.

Fucking cunting fuckers.

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The Flood / COME ON TERRIO
« on: October 01, 2014, 11:22:15 AM »
YouTube

Fucking Christ.


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From the Atlantic.
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It was shortly before 3:00 a.m. on May 30, 2012 when I turned off my computer for the last time. I slid my recliner over three feet and tucked myself into my bed, for another sleepless session of self-loathing and self-pity. Later that morning, I would not be at my friends’ home as I had planned to help them celebrate their 25th wedding anniversary. Instead, I would find myself sitting on the hard wooden bench of a police holding cell.

For almost 20 years, I spent virtually every night of my life in the same manner: Sitting in front of my computer and either trawling the Internet for child pornography or looking at the pictures and videos that were already a part of my collection. No matter how many images I found and regardless of how sleep deprived I felt, nothing would stop me from continuing this perverse pursuit. It was my own carelessness that finally got me arrested, when I used my credit card to order some films that had images of naked boys, although none of these movies were of a sexual nature. One police officer later told me he thought I had gotten caught on purpose, because, subliminally, it was the only way I would stop. He was right about the latter, but not the former. No one who is a pedophile wants to get caught and have their horrifying secret revealed to the world.

In fact, there were some nights—but not too many—when I would dare to sit in my chair after my computer was turned off and imagine how it would feel to get arrested. Would I fall to the ground in the fetal position, would I throw up, burst into tears or perhaps even have a heart attack? When that day finally came for me, I did none of those. After the lead detective read me my rights and asked several questions regarding my computer, a strange calm washed over me. I knew my job as a local newspaper editor and my hobby coaching baseball had both come to an end. Yet the overriding thoughts in my head were not of my past, but more of my future. I knew that I was in a unique position to help others understand the bewildering life of a pedophile. I had never asked to be cursed with this sexual attraction, and I had never hurt a child. In fact, I was always a good role model as a coach, and an upstanding citizen throughout my days. It was the nights that were a problem.

Over the months that followed my arrest, my journalistic instincts took over. I wanted to know how a lifetime of lusting after young children could seem so normal to me on an emotional level, even though I knew rationally that it was a completely deviant lifestyle. I would spend my days longing to get back onto my computer, the way a gourmand anticipates a scrumptious feast. Yet when the computer was turned off, I despised myself for being so aroused while looking at pictures of young children whose lives had been destroyed thanks to their unwilling participation.

I spent much of my time in the days right after my arrested reflecting on my childhood. Was there some horrible trauma, an incident of abuse perhaps, that I had covered up which lead to my pedophilia. Was there some anomaly in my formative years that skewed my sexual development? I asked my sister, an experienced therapist, for her help, but she assured me that as far as she knew, nothing of that kind happened to me. I was the victim of an unhappy childhood and a psychologically disturbed father. I had all the symptoms of arrested development, which left me at the emotional level of a 10-year-old. But there was nothing remarkable or unspeakable about my childhood.

I decided to continue my journey by seeking the help of a therapist and doing as much research on the topic of pedophilia as I could, with the help of my sister and her computer. What I discovered was that for every small nugget of helpful information, there was a sinkhole of unanswered questions that remained. The main query that I am convinced will always be without an answer is why I am a pedophile. It is the equivalent of trying to determine why someone is heterosexual or gay. We don’t choose our sexual orientations. If we could, believe me, no one would choose mine.

The most important thing I've discovered in the 15 months since my arrest isn't the why, but rather what can be done to change the preconceptions and misconceptions that society has when it comes to pedophiles. Most people hear that word and think of the Jerry Sanduskys and abusive Catholic priests of the world. Fewer people think about the millions who grapple with sexual feelings on which they can never act. When someone hears the word “pedophile”, they immediately think of a child molester. Yet the majority of pedophiles do not molest, but instead spend hours looking at child pornography. And as those numbers grow, so does the number of child victims.

I am not advocating the cross-generational lifestyle. In fact, there is never an instance when an adult should engage in sexual behavior with a child. But until we as a society learn that help for those who view child pornography is a far better alternative to incarceration, we are doomed to see the continued proliferation of this problem. Scientists don’t know for certain if there is a correlation between viewing child pornography and offending against children. Wouldn't it be nice to get pedophiles help before we find out for certain?

Despite my arrest, I am one of the lucky ones. Because I was arrested in Canada, I was only given a 90-day sentence. Had I been arrested in the U.S., I could have served many years with hardened criminals. My family and friends stood by since my arrest and love and accept me, despite my sexual flaws.

How many millions of pedophiles throughout the world aren't as lucky as I? How many will never seek help, too scared of the legal and social consequences? How many will continue to create the demand that fuels a malicious child pornography market? Is locking them away for a while the answer? Will the day ever come when we, as a society, reach out and offer them the help they so desperately need?

Paedophilia, like drugs, is a medical issue. It isn't a criminal issue. I firmly believe that the demonisation of paedophiles is one of the last obstacles to a truly liberal society.

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Serious / "Don't judge a religion by its fundamentalists"
« on: September 29, 2014, 02:07:13 PM »
Well, all right. We often hear it said that ISIS aren't "true" Muslims, or that the Westboro Baptist Church aren't "true" Christians, and that we shouldn't judge a religion by its fundamentalists. I take issue with this, for a number of reasons, but even if I accept such a proposition it doesn't harm my position.

I needn't take the fundamentalists to prove a point, I can judge a religion by its scripture and its mainstream authorities. For instance, taking Islam, the Ayatollah Khomeini issued the fatwa against Salman Rushdie which lasted for ten years, the hadith calls for the murder of apostates and there was widespread dissatisfaction - to put it mildly - with the expressions of a Danish cartoonist.

The book of Deuteronomy calls for your wife's hand to be cut off if, should she try to deliver you from the wrath of a countryman, she accidentally touches another man's genitals. In Numbers, Moses ordered his generals - after the slaughter of the Midianites - to kill all the young boys and older women who have lain with men and keep the "women children" for their own pleasure.

Kings recounts the story of when God sent two bears to maul 42 children for mocking a bald prophet and in the story of Sodom and Gomorrah an innkeeper gives up his virgin daughter to an irate crowd demanding to be able to meet the angels.

The Catholic Church has long proselytised in Africa and condemned the use of contraception and set its face against the only and pretty much definitive cure for poverty - the empowerment of women. It has professed and recanted ideas such as limbo, causing untold misery for Catholic parents who lost their children, and beatified disgustingly immoral people such as the likes of Mother Theresa. Not to mention, it signed the Reichskonkordat with Nazi Germany and didn't officially forgive the Jews of "Deicide" until 1965.

The Church of England, often seen as the meekest and mildest of the bunch, isn't free from fault, either. Graham Dow, the former Bishop of Carlisle, said in 2007 that the storms and floods in the north of the country were judgement for the country's lax attitude towards gays and the Archbishop of Canterbury in 1958 said a nuclear holocaust wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing as it would simply wipe people out and usher them from this world to the next.

Taking all of this into account, I don't think it'd be appropriate to try and judge the merits of a religion without considering the "moderating" influences.

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Serious / Why does a truth hold more value than a non-truth?
« on: September 29, 2014, 12:35:13 PM »
Why is the actual more important, why does it command more immediacy, over the non-actual? Why is the real more valuable than the wishful? Why is the matter-of-fact considered to be of a higher nature than what we should like to be true.

Assuming no atrocious or magnificent outcomes from choosing one over the other, what gives a truth more value than a falsehood?

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Serious / You CAN prove a negative
« on: September 29, 2014, 02:12:39 AM »
Seen this lovely bit of sophistry - "You can't prove a negative" - floating around for quite some time. Years, in fact, I've seen it said and I've even seen it said by Verbatim himself at one point, although I have no idea if he's renounced it. Indeed, I used to believe it too.

Here's just one article on the matter, from Psychology Today.
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One reason that some people suppose science and reason are incapable of establishing beyond reasonable doubt that certain supernatural claims—for example, that fairies or angels or spirit beings exist—are false, is that they assume you can't prove a negative. Indeed this is widely supposed to be some sort of "law of logic."

For example, Georgia minister Dr. Nelson L. Price asserts on his website that "one of the laws of logic is that you can't prove a negative." If Price is correct and this is indeed a law of logic, then of course it immediately follows that we can't prove that there are no fairies, angels, or spirit beings, or, indeed, that there is no god. We will have established that the nonexistence of God is indeed beyond the ability of reason and/or science to establish!

 The fact is, however, that this supposed "law of logic" is no such thing. As Steven D. Hales points in his paper "You Can Prove a Negative," "You can't prove a negative" is a principle of folk logic, not actual logic.

Notice, for a start, that "You cannot prove a negative" is itself a negative. So, if it were true, it would itself be unprovable. Notice that any claim can be transformed into a negative by a little rephrasing—most obviously, by negating the claim and then negating it again. "I exist" is logically equivalent to "I do not not exist," which is a negative. Yet here is a negative it seems I might perhaps be able to prove (in the style of Descartes—I think, therefore I do not not exist!)

Of course, those who say "You can't prove a negative" will insist that I have misunderstood their point. As Hales notes, when people say, "You can't prove a negative," what they really mean is that you cannot prove that something does not exist. If this point were correct, it would apply not just to supernatural beings lying beyond the cosmic veil but also to things that might be supposed to exist on this side of the veil, such as unicorns, Martians, rabbits with twenty heads, and so on. We would not be able to prove the nonexistence of any of these things either.

But is the point correct? Is it true that we can never prove that something does not exist? Again, it depends. If John claims there's a unicorn in the tool shed, I can quickly establish he is mistaken by going and taking a look. We could similarly establish there's no Loch Ness monster by draining the loch. But what of the claim that unicorns once existed? We can't travel back in time and directly observe all of the past as we can every corner of the tool shed or Loch Ness. Does it follow that we can't prove unicorns never existed?

It depends in part on what you mean by "prove." The word has a variety of meanings. By saying something is "proved," I might mean that it is established beyond all possible doubt. Or I might mean it has been established beyond reasonable doubt (this is the kind of proof required in a court of law). Can we establish beyond reasonable doubt that unicorns have never inhabited the earth? True, the history of our planet has been and gone, so we can no longer directly inspect it. But surely, if unicorns did roam the earth, we would expect to find some evidence of their presence, such as fossils of unicorns or at least of closely related animals from which unicorns might plausibly have evolved. There is none. We also have plenty of evidence that unicorns are a fictional creation, in which case, it's surely reasonable for us to conclude that there never were any unicorns. Indeed, I'd suggest we can prove this beyond reasonable doubt.

In response, it might be said "But you can't prove conclusively, beyond all possible doubt, that unicorns never roamed the earth." This is undeniably true. However, this point is not peculiar to negatives. It can be made about any claim about the unobserved, and thus any scientific theory at all, including scientific theories about what does exist. We can prove beyond reasonable doubt that dinosaurs existed, but not beyond all possible doubt.

Despite the mountain of evidence that dinosaurs roamed the earth, it's still possible that, say, all those dinosaur fossils are fakes placed there by alien pranksters long ago.

Let's sum up. If "you can't prove a negative" means you can't prove beyond reasonable doubt that certain things don't exist, then the claim is just false. We prove the nonexistence of things on a regular basis. If, on the other hand, "you can't prove a negative" means you cannot prove beyond all possible doubt that something does not exist, well, that may, arguably, be true. But so what? That point is irrelevant so far as defending beliefs in supernatural entities against the charge that science and/or reason have established beyond reasonable doubt that they don't exist.

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The Flood / Today I learned I've been pronouncing "forbade" wrong
« on: September 28, 2014, 06:28:36 PM »
Turns out it's "for-bad", not "for-bade".

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The Flood / Favourite (alcoholic) drink?
« on: September 28, 2014, 03:34:11 PM »
Johnnie Walker Black Label with Perrier, lime and sometimes ice cubes.

Shame it's so expensive though. I can do just water or ice cubes if I don't have an perrier though. Having a job will certainly help.

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Serious / Favourite quotes from scientists/philosophers/intellectuals?
« on: September 28, 2014, 02:59:02 PM »
Bertrand Russell:
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I believe in using words, not fists. I believe in my outrage knowing people are living in boxes on the street. I believe in honesty. I believe in a good time. I believe in good food. I believe in sex.
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The secret to happiness is to face the fact that the world is horrible.
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Advocates of capitalism are very apt to appeal to the sacred principles of liberty, which are embodied in one maxim: The fortunate must not be restrained in the exercise of tyranny over the unfortunate.
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The megalomaniac differs from the narcissist by the fact that he wishes to be powerful rather than charming, and seeks to be feared rather than loved. To this type belong many lunatics and most of the great men of history.

Christopher Hitchens:
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The totalitarian, to me, is the enemy - the one that's absolute, the one that wants control over the inside of your head, not just your actions and your taxes.
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Knowing that we are primates, I think, is a fascinating discovery, and a very interesting and rather cheering one.
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It's impossible, I think, however much I'd become disillusioned politically or evolve into a post-political person, I don't think I'd ever change my view that socialism is the best political moment humans have ever come up with.
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I'm not particularly a feminist, but if you get women off the animal cycle of reproduction and give them some say in how many children they'll have, immediately the floor will rise.


H.L. Mencken:
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I believe that it is better to tell the truth than a lie. I believe it is better to be free than to be a slave. And I believe it is better to know than to be ignorant.
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Democracy is a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance.
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Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.

I'll leave it here since I don't want the OP to be dominated by a giant fuck-off list.

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Serious / Is fundamentalism growing?
« on: September 28, 2014, 01:37:34 PM »
My religious studies teacher was talking about fundamentalism as a growing force in the religious and social worlds due to the fact that we've gone so far away from the "original". She says that the English Christians and the Muslims all over the world are becoming more fundamentalist in their views and more traditionalist.

She used one example of three girls who came up to her in one lesson asking for a textbook because they didn't want to work on a computer after seeing screens all their lives (the girls were born within the 2000s) and religious pupils in her lessons (again born within the 2000s) being more literalist in their views.

Personally, I think she doesn't understand what she's talking about. I can't bring myself to claim that fundamentalism is growing. Can you?

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Serious / Bertrand Russell's "Message to the Future"
« on: September 28, 2014, 10:22:57 AM »
YouTube

Good ol' Berty.

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The Flood / Well, I just had the best night of my life
« on: September 27, 2014, 04:16:27 PM »
Me, my mates Luke and Robbie and Robbie's girlfriend just went to see the movie Before I Go To Sleep. The movie itself was decent, but the best part of the night was after it. We were joking about this scene in the movie, and Robbie made a funny joke and we fell into about ten minutes of utter madness.

It was just self-perpetuating laughter. We were all crying and Robbie's girlfriend pissed herself a bit. Eventually, Robbie had to pull over so he didn't crash and we spent a good five minutes just at the side of the road dying.

So, how was your night?


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The Flood / This fucking forum is out to get me
« on: September 26, 2014, 04:41:19 PM »

Fuck this.

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Serious / A challenge for the religious/conservative users here
« on: September 26, 2014, 02:28:05 PM »
This is probably more properly aimed at people who don't support secularism and think (some) Western nations should be Christian (or otherwise religious), or humanism*. It just so coincides that such people are likely to be religious or of a very conservative persuasion (please don't think I'm trying to single out people for mockery).

Name me a society that has based its values on the likes of Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Paine, David Hume, Bertrand Russell, et cetera, that is even vaguely comparable to the shortcomings and atrocities of religious or worshipful states.

And, name me a moral act which can be committed by a believer which can't be committed by a non-believer (prayer doesn't count).

*
Spoiler
Humanism is a philosophical and ethical stance that emphasizes the value and agency of human beings, individually and collectively, and generally prefers critical thinking and evidence (rationalism, empiricism) over established doctrine or faith (fideism).

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The Flood / >tfw your mother is a fucking idiot
« on: September 26, 2014, 02:15:26 PM »
My mother's gone on a spate of buying me books recently. It's been quite cool, to be honest, the first one she got me - of her own accord - was The Righteous Mind by Jonathan Haidt and she recently got me - from my prompt - Capitalism and Freedom by Milton Friedman.

All great up until that point, I thoroughly enjoyed reading both of them. Don't get me wrong, I'm not bagging on her for making the effort, I'm calling her out for not being able to follow instructions. I hate having used books, which is why I clearly instructed her to get Free to Choose from Amazon, which offers not only reliably good-quality books but also the latest edition.

What does she do? Get's a horrible looking used book which isn't the latest edition. . . From fucking EBay.


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The Flood / "Abusing" the report function
« on: September 26, 2014, 02:05:56 PM »
Does it actually cause a real hindrance to the mods?

If not, it shouldn't be a bannable offence.

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Does anyone else agree with that sentiment? It's obvious that ideologues who strongly subscribe to an ideology are usually more intelligent than your guy of the street, but if you pursue it further than self-justification and learn about differing approaches or the nature of politics itself, then it becomes harder and harder to "pick a side".

In a sense, it leaves you in a state of paralysis and perpetual self-doubt.

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Serious / So, how is extrajudicial murder not unconstitutional?
« on: September 25, 2014, 05:14:07 PM »
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On September 30, 2011 a drone strike in Yemen killed American citizens Anwar al-Awlaki and Samir Khan.[64] Both individuals resided in Yemen at the time of their deaths. The executive order approving Al-Awlaki's death was issued by the Obama administration in 2010 and challenged by the American Civil Liberties Union and the Center for Constitutional Rights in that year.

Amendment VI:-
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confonted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favour, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defence.

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Serious / Yanks, help me with my politics homework!
« on: September 25, 2014, 02:17:02 PM »
I need to write an essay on: "To what extent is the constitutional system of checks and balances an obstacle to effective government?"

I just finished about 10 pages of notes on the reign of Nicholas II, so I can't be fucked.

I have:

No they aren't an obstacle;
- They stop the government growing too large, all tyrannies throughout history have seen the erosion of checks and balances.
- They allow the government to punish bad conduct in any other branch of government.

Yes they are an obstacle:
- The polarisation of American politics means the checks and balances system can be exploited for partisan gain.
- They can be cumbersome and result in gridlock.

If anyone wants to offer a revision or call me out on any of those, feel free. Some examples for each would be swell too.

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I'm on a technology kick at the moment, just roll with me.

So, let's assume we've reached a point where most jobs are automated and the civil unrest of mass unemployment has been solved by some sort of governmental implementation. The only people we really see having "jobs" are the likes of politicians, police officers, and a few engineers and scientists, although in ever-dwindling numbers.

With this in mind, everybody's end goal of employment - consumption - is effectively fulfilled despite not having a job. A lot of people would probably go "great", but the more pragmatic and conservative will ask "what about this. . .?"

Obviously, employment provides a sense of fulfillment and a profitable way of passing the time. A few people on here would relish the chance to read more and have more time for general self-reflection, however, among most of society it could promote mental illness, boredom, suicide and lawlessness.

Basically, how would we fill our time when we don't need to work? How would people keep socially engaged? Would the government need to encourage this? How would they encourage it?

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Serious / Filthy bourgeoisie capitaist converts to the glory of Marx
« on: September 24, 2014, 06:25:19 AM »
From Tim Worstall, a fellow at the Adam Smith Institute, felt appropriate with the current talk of automation, aliens and AI going on at the minute.
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Paul Krugman is here actually addressing a slightly different question: have we reached a slow down in technological innovation? But in the answer to this question is the answer to what’s going to happen to us once the robots can do everything better than we can, what will happen when the robots take all our jobs.

"Well, suppose that we learned to build true androids – robots that could do more or less anything humans can do. Surely that would be transformative; it would effectively end diminishing returns to capital accumulation, and raising GDP per capita would simply be a matter of multiplying the androids."

That Krugman thinks we’re closer now to building androids than we were isn’t relevant to this next part of the argument. But that argument that “if we can build androids then” is exactly the same one as what happens when the robots take all our jobs? They’re the same statement in fact.

And the answer is that we humans all become immensely rich. Because if we want to have some more of something we just construct an android to go off and make more of whatever good or service it is that we want more of. We find ourselves in a world of pretty much no material scarcity. We’re still bounded by resource scarcity of course: we cannot have more energy or atoms of copper than is to be found on the planet. We also still have a scarcity of positional goods. But actual real material scarcity pretty much disappears. There is one further question though:

"You might also be a pessimist in the sense that you wonder what happens to wages once androids can do most human work."
 
That will depend upon the economic system we adopt. If we’ve pretty much abolished material scarcity then of course real wages have just soared. Real wages being, really, a measure of how much consumption is possible rather than the nominal value of earnings. If you are of a Marxist persuasion you might think that all of the money from those androids will just go to capital, leaving the workers starving and destitute without any jobs and thus not earning at all. But to do that you would have to believe in Monopoly Capitalism, this idea that the capitalists as a class will gang up on everyone else and keep all the good stuff for themselves. But note that this does depend upon that monopoly.

If the monopoly is broken then the various capitalists will be competing with each other for the custom either of building and selling androids to people or of selling the things made by robots and androids to people. Competition does, as we can see from the world outside the windows, bring prices down somewhat. And if everything is being made by robots (including the robots themselves of course) then there is effectively no cost of production. Or rather the only cost of production is the original capital investment in the androids, the hard limits of resource availability and the inherent shortage of positional goods. For everything else, as no human has had to drip the sweat of their brow to produce it then no human being needs to get paid to do so. Which is what is being complained about of course, the absence of jobs. But that very absence of jobs in producing anything means that the cost of production is zero.

At which point we’ve legions of competing capitalists attempting to outdo each other at selling us the production of their armies of robots. Prices collapse and we’re all near infinitely rich.

Amusingly, at this point, those of a Marxist cast of mind should be able to recognise the scene. For this is what Marx called true communism. When the productive capacity of industry has reached the point where all needs and desires could be met then we will indeed be at that communist nirvana. Marx though that this would means that people could do much as they wished, be a farmer in the morning and a philosopher in the evening. Or as we might put it, do a bit of gardening and then yakk with the guys over a few beers. If we’re honest it doesn’t sound like such a bad world either. And it is what will happen in a competitive marketplace if the robots ever do get good enough to steal all our jobs. We’ll have a cornucopian river of goods and services to consume that are produced for us by said robots. That is, we’ll all be rich.

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Serious / 40 minute documentary on aliens, by Stephen Hawking
« on: September 23, 2014, 05:22:51 PM »
YouTube


Given the recent topics of conversation, it seems appropriate. Really good watch.

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The Flood / Oh God, somebody help
« on: September 23, 2014, 03:47:00 PM »
The taskbar has disappeared from the bottom of my screen.

Ctrl, alt, del also does nothing.

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The Flood / Blow gently onto your screen in 3, 2, 1. . .
« on: September 23, 2014, 03:29:32 PM »
YouTube


All of my kek.

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Serious / A question for Verbatim
« on: September 23, 2014, 02:04:14 PM »
Assume we live in some sort of techno-socialist utopia. Bio-ethics is ridden with abolitionism and utilitarianism; suffering simply doesn't exist anymore.

However, despite all of this amazing technological progress, suffering is offered as a choice to people. 100% of the population cause themselves to suffer in varying degrees at various point in their life.

If this were true - take it to be - would procreation still be immoral, and would suffering be still inherently undesirable in your mind?

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