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The Flood / Meta's nameplate competition
« on: October 12, 2014, 03:32:11 PM »
The winner will have their nameplate featured on my profile.

If it's cool, I'll probably use it.

Themes I enjoy:
- Socialism
- Technology
- Violence
- The Middle Ages

Just fuc­king do something decent.

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The Flood / You niqqas can't even handle my nameplate
« on: October 12, 2014, 03:18:54 PM »
much swage

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Serious / Why the ontological argument for God's existence is bollocks
« on: October 12, 2014, 03:02:53 PM »
Since the first ontological argument - proposed by Anselm (and then discredited by Gaunilo of Marmourtiers, Hume and Kant) - is defunt, I'll be using the new version of Alvin Plantinga's, which uses modal logic.

Plantinga's argument goes like this:
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A being has maximal excellence in a given possible world W if and only if it is omnipotent, omniscient and wholly good in W; and

A being has maximal greatness if it has maximal excellence in every possible world.

It is possible that there is a being that has maximal greatness. (Premise)

Therefore, possibly, it is necessarily true that an omniscient, omnipotent, and perfectly good being exists.

Therefore, (by axiom S5) it is necessarily true that an omniscient, omnipotent and perfectly good being exists.

Therefore, an omniscient, omnipotent and perfectly good being exists.

First off, let me just mention that Plantinga doesn't actually claim this is proof for the existence of God but merely tries to express the rationality behind such a belief. However, the argument relies on Axiom S5 in modal logic, which is to do with possibility and necessity.

The argument essentially begs the question, as the conclusion is built into the premise as soon as you grant that something is metaphysically necessary and possibly exists. Building the necessity of an entity into modal logic is absurd - you could do the same with certain unproven mathematical problems.

However, if you really want to easily show how this argument is ridiculous, just replace "maximal excellence" with maximal wickedness, "maximal greatness" with maximal evil and "perfectly good" with perfectly bad.

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Serious / Is humour ever in bad taste?
« on: October 12, 2014, 02:49:02 PM »
I can honestly say I've never thought a joke "crosses the line".

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The Flood / ZOINKS
« on: October 12, 2014, 02:47:27 PM »
YouTube


RINGER IN RY RUTT


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Septagon / What're the measurements for nameplates?
« on: October 12, 2014, 02:39:53 PM »
T4R.

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The Flood / This made me laugh much more than it should've
« on: October 12, 2014, 02:34:06 PM »
YouTube

I can't breathe.

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The Flood / Foghorn Leghorn
« on: October 12, 2014, 02:15:00 PM »
YouTube

This is great.

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Serious / Court to decide if Chimpanzees get legal rights
« on: October 12, 2014, 01:59:44 PM »
From the Independent.
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Tommy, a 26-year-old former circus performer, lives on a caravan park in Gloversville in upstate New York, where he spends his days alone and confined to a shed, watching cartoons and nature programmes on television.

His lawyer, Steven Wise, says this is no kind of life for a human. The problem? Tommy is a chimpanzee.

This week, however, in what is believed to be the first court case of its kind, Mr Wise will argue that Tommy and other chimps are entitled to “legal personhood”. The Boston-based lawyer, who is also the president of animal advocacy group the Nonhuman Rights Project (NhRP), hopes a New York appeals court will rule that Tommy has been unlawfully imprisoned, and ought to be released to live among other chimps at a sanctuary in Florida.

Keeping Tommy alone in a cage is just like keeping a human in solitary confinement, says Mr Wise, who has spent much of his career attempting to extend human rights and protections – such as freedom from captivity – to other intelligent animals.

The NhRP purports to be “the only organisation working toward actual legal rights for members of species other than our own.” Its mission, according to its website, is “to change the common law status of at least some non-human animals from mere ‘things,’ which lack the capacity to possess any legal right, to ‘persons’.”

Tommy’s lawsuit has already been lost in lower courts, but Mr Wise is appealing the case, based on a legal mechanism that was historically used on behalf of slaves. “As a matter of both liberty and equality,” Mr Wise has said, “Tommy should be seen as a person.”

In a 65-page legal brief, the NhRP cites several specialists, such as the British primate expert Jane Goodall, to argue that chimps are “autonomous, self-determined, self-aware, highly intelligent, and emotionally complex beings who suffer from imprisonment.” As such, the animals fit the legal profile of a “person”. “Person is not a synonym for ‘human being’,” the brief explains, “but designates an entity with the capacity for legal rights.”

Should Tommy win his case, it could lead to broader rights not only for chimps and their fellow primates, but also for other intelligent animals such as elephants, orcas and dolphins. Mr Wise told Reuters, “The next argument could be that Tommy... has the right to bodily integrity, so he couldn’t be used in biomedical research.”

Tommy’s owner, Patrick Lavery, has declined to present his case to the appeals court in Albany, but has said previously that the chimp had been on a waiting list for a primate sanctuary for three years, and that his current home was in fact a state-of-the-art $150,000 (£93,400) enclosure. Last year, Mr Lavery told the Albany Times Union that Tommy has “got a lot of enrichment. He’s got colour TV, cable and a stereo... He likes being by himself.”

In December, Mr Wise will present a similar case to an appeals court in Rochester on behalf of Kiko, a chimp who lives in less-than-salubrious conditions in Niagara Falls.

The NhRP is expecting a decision from the appeals court in a few weeks’ time.
Figures crossed; this could be a fantastic breakthrough.

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The Flood / >when your Ebola test comes back negative
« on: October 12, 2014, 01:15:00 PM »
YouTube

>tfw

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Serious / 7 Family Issues Pope Francis Should - But Won't - Discuss
« on: October 12, 2014, 12:52:16 PM »
A good article.

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1. The Church should stop treating women as second-class people, and not just in family issues. Women should have the same rights and privileges as men in the Church. We can only dream that one day there will be a Pope Frances. At this point, women cannot even be priests.

2. It’s time to end the Church’s celibacy requirement for priests and nuns. While promoting natural law, the Church fails to acknowledge how unnatural celibacy is. Here’s a novel idea: Shouldn’t priests be viewed as role models with families, rather than as unquestionable messengers who act as necessary intermediaries to God?

3. The Church should give high priority to eliminating family poverty caused by having too many children. Provide evidence-based sex education for young people, especially since abstinence-only programs have such a high failure rate. Permit abortion under some circumstances and encourage contraception. Pregnant teenagers are not ready to start families of two and are likely to drop out of school. Education for women is a primary method of reducing poverty.

4. The Church should recognize that masturbation is not a sin. It is natural and healthy safe sex, giving harmless pleasure to individuals without leading to unwanted pregnancies or venereal disease.

5. Regarding gays, Pope Francis, move away from “Love the sinner, but hate the sin.” If two responsible and mature people love each other, are in a committed relationship, and would like to marry, you should be willing to bless such a union. And please stop telling people that the purpose of marriage is to have children, since you sometimes perform marriages for heterosexual couples who are incapable of having children.

6. Please recognize that it is degrading to have celibate male priests passing themselves off as experts on sexual advice for women, men, and children. Male leaders in the Catholic Church are obsessed with sex. Morality should not be viewed through the narrow prism of sexual conduct. Ethical and moral behavior is about treating everyone with respect. If there is any issue that is none of the Church’s business, it is the private sexual acts of consenting adults. Church leaders claim to be humble, but their treatment of women and people who don’t share their antiquated beliefs is the height of arrogance.

7. Don’t expect those outside the Catholic faith to behave like those in the faith. Stay out of politics and don’t prevent others from following the dictates of their conscience.

All valid except for the first, really.

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The Flood / ignore
« on: October 12, 2014, 12:47:52 PM »
whoops

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The Flood / ITT: you bash me
« on: October 11, 2014, 06:15:53 PM »
I figure myself to be more divisive than CIS Scum, so I feel more deserving of a thread like this.

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The Flood / How do you pass the time when bored?
« on: October 11, 2014, 02:48:18 PM »
I get into my sleeping bag, cover myself in butter and then slide around on the kitchen floor pretending to be a slug.

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Serious / Which is more unethical? Stem cell research, or killing flies
« on: October 11, 2014, 02:43:23 PM »
Blastocysts, used in stem cell research, consist of a few hundred cells.

A fly's brain consists of a few hundred thousand.

Clearly the destruction of a fly must have more ethical weight to it, considering the disproportionate ability of the fly to process stimuli and experience various sensations.

Spoiler
Seriously, I don't understand how anybody can possibly oppose stem-cell research in a reasonable way.

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The Flood / Your favourite serial killer?
« on: October 11, 2014, 02:26:02 PM »
Also, take this test to see which one you're most similar too.

I got Bundy, predictably.

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The Flood / I'm in the mood to be scared; post creepypastas
« on: October 11, 2014, 01:47:57 PM »
I'm a bigger fan of narratives with a slightly disturbed twist to them, more than anything else, which is why I enjoy the The Holder Series and the SCP Foundation more than most. I do remember one creepypasta which I read about four years ago which sent a shiver down my spine:

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A man went to a hotel and walked up to the front desk to check in. The woman at the desk gave him his key and told him that on the way to his room, there was a door with no number that was locked and no one was allowed in there. She explained that it was a storeroom, and that it was out of bounds. She reminded him of this several times before allowing him upstairs. So he followed the instructions of the woman at the front desk, going straight to his room, and going to bed.

However, the insistence of the woman had piqued his curiosity, so the next night he walked down the hall to the door and tried the handle. Sure enough it was locked. He bent down and looked through the wide keyhole. Cold air passed through it, chilling his eye. What he saw was a hotel bedroom, like his, and in the corner was a woman whose skin was incredibly pale. She was leaning her head against the wall, facing away from the door. He stared in confusion for a while. Was this a celebrity? The owner's daughter? He almost knocked on the door, out of curiosity but decided not to.

As he was still looking, the woman turned sharply and he jumped back from the door, hoping she would not suspect he had been spying on her. He crept away from the door and walked back to his room. The next day, he returned to the door and looked through the wide keyhole. This time, all he saw was redness. He couldn't make anything out besides a distinct red color, unmoving. Perhaps the inhabitants of the room knew he was spying the night before, and had blocked the keyhole with something red. He felt embarrassed that he had made the woman so uncomfortable, and hoped she had not made a complaint with the woman on the front desk.

At this point he decided to consult her for more information. She sighed and said, "Did you look through the keyhole?"

The man told her that he had and she said, "Well, I might as well tell you the story of what happened in that room. A long time ago, a man murdered his wife in there, and we find that even now, whoever stays there gets very uncomfortable. But these people were not ordinary. They were white all over, except for their eyes, which were red."

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Serious / Serial killer moved to tears as father of victim forgives him
« on: October 11, 2014, 12:21:38 PM »
YouTube


Just finished a documentary about Gary Ridgway, who murdered over 90 women, which has this scene at the end. As the relatives of the victims are allowed to speak, the father of one of the victims - Linda Rule - stands up and tells Ridgway he is forgiven.

Now, to the interesting question: Is there a foothold of genuine emotion there, or do you think they're just crocodile tears?

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Serious / Save Syria's Children
« on: October 11, 2014, 09:30:55 AM »
YouTube


Happy Birthday.

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The Flood / Is Slash black?
« on: October 11, 2014, 05:14:08 AM »

Don't let it be so!

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The Flood / How mad would you be if Sandtrap was just a troll?
« on: October 10, 2014, 05:38:43 PM »
It'd be almost on par with Clockman.

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Jesus.
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Fighters from the Islamic State have proudly posted photos of a child who they claim is the youngest person to die while fighting on their side.

The 10-year-old boy is named by the Islamists as Abu Ubaidah. A Twitter account run by Isil sympathisers said on October 9 that he was killed, alongside his father, by an American air strike two weeks ago.

US aircraft have been carrying out air strikes across Iraq and northern Syria, and the account did not say where he was killed.

But the disturbing series of photos posted by the Isil account show a smiling boy wearing a woollen hat and combat fatigues, posing frequently with guns.

In one image the machine gun is almost bigger than he is – standing in the hallway of a house, he beams to the camera as he strikes a pose with the gun.

b-b-b-but they aren't real muslims

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The Flood / The 1930s were a simpler time, a better time
« on: October 10, 2014, 02:45:21 PM »

Where nobody was a wimp and workers didn't need health and safety regulations to get the job done.

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Serious / How morally responsible are psychopaths and serial killers?
« on: October 10, 2014, 12:31:00 PM »
The reason I bring this up is because you will never find a serial killer who isn't psychopathic or mentally ill in some way. Accordingly, what degree of moral or social responsibility can we afford such people? Are they, truly, evil?

Consider, as an example, Jeffrey Dahmer. You'd struggle to call Dahmer a psychopath, as he seemed to display some degree of remorse for his crimes. Dahmer raped, murdered and dismembered 17 men and boys. He would often commit acts such as necrophilia, cannibalism and preserving trophies. Dahmer was diagnosed with Borderline Personality Disorder, Major Depressive Disorder and Anxiety Disorder. Psychologists took a while to decide whether he was legally sane, as he clearly could not control his impulses, had serious lapses of feelings of worthlessness and had an incredible fear of abandonment.

Tommy Lynn Sells was likely a secondary psychopath (or sociopath) who killed at least 22 people across the U.S.A., often in a haphazard and impulsive manner. Sells was molested as an eight-year-old with the consent of his mother and had serious problems with substance abuse. He was also incredibly emotionally unstable, in interviews both breaking down in tears at the thought of his crimes and at other times claiming to be the personification of hate. He had an IQ of about 80. Sells, like Dahmer, was diagnosed with Borderline Personality Disorder alongside Antisocial Personality Disorder, Bipolar Disorder, Depression and psychosis.

Ted Bundy was almost definitely a primary psychopath who killed around 35 people, often in a relatively organised and sadistic way. Bundy was considered attractive and had considerable interpersonal abilities which allowed him to manipulate those around him. He was pre-occupied with notions of power and "possession" over his victims. Unlike Dahmer and Sells, he never abused alcohol or drugs and his IQ was around 136. He, unlike the other two, also got a degree (A Bachelor's in Psychology). While diagnoses were hard to pin, it's incredibly likely that, on top of ASPD, he also had Narcissistic Personality Disorder.


Important Disorders:

Borderline Personality Disorder
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People with BPD feel emotions more easily, deeply and for longer than most other people. Accordingly, it may take a long time for somebody suffering from BPD to come up or down to a stable baseline. People with BPD may feel joy more strongly than others, but they are especially susceptible to dysphoria and have an intense fear of abandonment. People with this are often behaviourally impulsive and interpersonally manipulative.

Bipolar
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Bipolar Disorder is a mood disorder wherein people periodically shift from constant feelings of depression and mania or hypomania (in the former, psychosis and delusions are usually present). People with this disorder are often impulsive while manic and anxious/guilty/angry/hopeless when depressive.

Major Depressive
Spoiler
We all know what depression is.

Psychosis
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Psychosis is simply a loss of contact with reality. Believing you're the king of Sweden or that your neighbour is trying to invoke Satan to murder you are examples of psychotic thoughts.

Antisocial
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Antisocial Personality Disorder is characterised by a persistent disregard for the rights of other individuals as well as a lack of empathy or remorse. They often lie, are impulsive, aggressive and rationalise their immoral behaviour. About one in three antisocial people qualify for a "diagnosis" of psychopathy.

Psychopathy
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Psychopathy isn't considered a clinical condition, and is often considered synonymous with ASPD. However, the research of Robert D. Hare seems to indicate that there is a difference between the two conditions. It seems that psychopathy is an extension or more developed form of ASPD. Psychopaths are considered bold and disinhibited as well as having comparable or good interpersonal skills. Sociopaths have more negative emotions like fear, anxiety and irritability. Psychopaths usually have little fear and rarely feel anxious, are usually charming and find it easy to manipulate people and are, almost always, more sadistic than sociopaths. Both have comparable levels of antisocial behaviour, but sociopathy is caused by adverse environment conditions whereas psychopathy is considered genetic, and psychopaths are born with an emotional deficit.


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The Flood / WHOP IT OUT
« on: October 10, 2014, 02:20:45 AM »
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WAAAAAAH, LOADSAMONEY

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The Flood / Why the hell are we all jumping on the mods dicks?
« on: October 09, 2014, 04:22:21 PM »
Seriously. The new rules are bloody fine, stop whinging.

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Serious / Do you think Buddhism is really a religion?
« on: October 09, 2014, 03:18:51 PM »
I'm split on the issue, to be honest.

Just seems like a supernatural philosophy to me.

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The Flood / Update on the bullshit drama with my philosophy teacher
« on: October 09, 2014, 11:34:30 AM »
For those of you who don't know, my philosophy teacher and I got into a heated debate about whether or not the Danish cartoonist who published pictures of Muhammad (inciting riots and assassination attempts) should've been prosecuted. It included such gems as me saying "My rights don't end where another's feelings begins" and her asking "Why not?".

However, the drama comes from the fact that after the lesson she went into the faculty room and said to my other philosophy teacher: "I could've punched Ashton during that lesson", and accusing me of being unable to see things from somebody else's point of view. Bearing in mind she had ended the debate by saying "I've made up my mind and nothing will change it," I felt a bit short-changed.

It would've been fine except for this morning, however. I would've been content to leave it be there and just allow us to ignore it in the future. However, when a girl who wasn't present in the lesson went to find out what she missed the teacher said: "Go to Ashton and ask him how idiotic he was." This really did anger me, so I told the girl to go to her and ask her how much she hates free speech. The girl returned with the message that I wasn't welcome in her lessons, that I'm hated and that she deserves an apology.

Later in the day, however, I got called into the headteacher's office. She asked for my side and I gave it, conceding I may have been a bit too assertive during the debate, but voicing my concerns over the teacher's personal attacks of me and continuation of the issue this morning. The head said the actions of my teacher "disturbed her" and that she'd talk to her about it.

Essentially, I got into a heated debate, annoying my close-minded, Islamist-apologist teacher and it resulted in her making intentionally offensive comments about my character to another teacher. She made further offensive comments this morning through one of my peers and I retaliated, unleashing her righteous and thunderous fury. If she thinks I'm going to apologise without her making some concessions of her own now (I was actually planning on apologising that day), then she can go fu­ck herself.

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Serious / Ebola patient in Dallas dies
« on: October 08, 2014, 05:47:04 PM »

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The Flood / Dutch presenter can't stop laughing at guy's voice
« on: October 08, 2014, 05:30:27 PM »
YouTube

I'm gonna die.

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