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Serious / Millennials like socialism - until they get jobs
« on: October 14, 2016, 11:17:17 AM »
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Millennials are the only age group in America in which a majority views socialism favorably. A national Reason-Rupe survey found that 53 percent of Americans under 30 have a favorable view of socialism compared with less than a third of those over 30. Moreover, Gallup has found that an astounding 69 percent of millennials say they’d be willing to vote for a “socialist” candidate for president — among their parents’ generation, only a third would do so. Indeed, national polls and exit polls reveal about 70 to 80 percent of young Democrats are casting their ballots for presidential candidate Bernie Sanders, who calls himself a “democratic socialist.”

Yet millennials tend to reject the actual definition of socialism — government ownership of the means of production, or government running businesses. Only 32 percent of millennials favor “an economy managed by the government,” while, similar to older generations, 64 percent prefer a free-market economy. And as millennials age and begin to earn more, their socialistic ideals seem to slip away.

So what does socialism actually mean to millennials? Scandinavia. Even though countries such as Denmark aren’t socialist states (as the Danish prime minster has taken great pains to emphasize) and Denmark itself outranks the United States on a number of economic freedom measures such as less business regulation and lower corporate tax rates, young people like that country’s expanded social welfare programs.

Coming of age during the Great Recession, millennials aren’t sure if free markets are sufficient to drive income mobility and thus many are comfortable with government helping to provide for people’s needs. Indeed, a Reason-Rupe study found that 69 percent of millennials favor a government guarantee for health insurance and 54 percent support a guarantee for a college education. Perhaps most striking is that millennials favor a bigger government that provides more services — 52 percent of them do, compared with 38 percent of the nation overall.

So, will it last? Are millennials ushering in a sea change of public opinion? Do they signal the transformation of the United States into a Scandinavian social democracy?

It depends. There is some evidence that this generation’s views on activist government will stick. However, there is more reason to expect that support for their Scandinavian version of socialism may wither as they age, make more money and pay more in taxes.

The expanded social welfare state Sanders thinks the United States should adopt requires everyday people to pay considerably more in taxes. Yet millennials become averse to social welfare spending if they foot the bill. As they reach the threshold of earning $40,000 to $60,000 a year, the majority of millennials come to oppose income redistribution, including raising taxes to increase financial assistance to the poor.

Similarly, a Reason-Rupe poll found that while millennials still on their parents’ health-insurance policies supported the idea of paying higher premiums to help cover the uninsured (57 percent), support flipped among millennials paying for their own health insurance with 59 percent opposed to higher premiums.

When tax rates are not explicit, millennials say they’d prefer larger government offering more services (54 percent) to smaller government offering fewer services (43 percent). However when larger government offering more services is described as requiring high taxes, support flips and 57 percent of millennials opt for smaller government with fewer services and low taxes, while 41 percent prefer large government.

Millennials wouldn’t be the first generation to flip-flop. In the 1980s, the same share (52 percent) of baby boomers also supported bigger government, and so did Generation Xers (53 percent) in the 1990s. Yet, both baby boomers and Gen Xers grew more skeptical of government over time and by about the same magnitude. Today, only 25 percent of boomers and 37 percent of Gen Xers continue to favor larger government.

Many conservatives bemoan millennials’ increased comfort with the idea of “socialism.” But conservatives aren’t recognizing that in the 20th-century battle between free enterprise and socialism, free enterprise already won. In contrast with the 1960s and ’70s, college students today are not debating whether we should adopt the Soviet or Maoist command-and-control regimes that devastated economies and killed millions. Instead, the debate today is about whether the social welfare model in Scandinavia (which is essentially a “beta-test,” because it hasn’t been around long) is sustainable and transferable.

Millennials like free markets, and most already accept that free markets have done more to lift the world out of poverty than any other system. Instead, what this generation has to decide is whether higher education and health-care innovation, access, and high quality can be best achieved through opening these sectors to more free-market reforms or though increased government control. This is a debate we should be glad to have.

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The Flood / WHAT A BANGER
« on: October 11, 2016, 10:58:13 AM »
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The Flood / first joint of the day
« on: October 09, 2016, 09:52:01 AM »
mdma comedowns are shit



stay in school kids


AMA me anything about how i smoke joints and how only cool cats smoke joints so im a cool cat

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Serious / New research - inequality worse than we think
« on: October 07, 2016, 10:47:59 AM »
WaPo.

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Social mobility, the amount that a typical American moves up or down the economic ladder from where their parents and grandparents stood, has became a major focus of political discussion, academic research and popular outrage in the years since the global financial crisis. While Americans have traditionally seen their country as a place where anyone can make through hard work and a stroke of luck, data collected in the past decade have shown otherwise.

Compared with many European countries, for example, few Americans end up with an income or educational level that is substantially different than their parents. Research by economists from Harvard and Berkeley found that fewer than 10 percent of people in the bottom fifth of the wealth distribution will make it into the top fifth. Things weren't much better for the middle class: Only about 20 percent of people in the middle fifth would rise into the top fifth over the course of their lives.

Now, new research suggests that social mobility in America may be even more limited than researchers have realized. In a new paper, Joseph Ferrie of Northwestern University, Catherine Massey of the University of Michigan and Jonathan Rothbaum of the U.S. Census Bureau draw on a newly constructed dataset about American families reaching back to 1910. Unlike past studies, which have mainly compared parents and children, the new work adds data on grandparents and great-grandparents to show just how fixed the fortunes of many Americans have become.

In the past, researchers have overestimated the amount of social mobility in American society because they had a limited amount of data to study, Ferrie and his colleagues argue. Much scholarly work has been done examining how inequality has persisted between parents and children since the 1960s and beyond, but researchers have lacked data on previous generations.

That limited historical insight is a problem, says Ferrie, because families can see one-generation fluctuations in education and income. For example, suppose you have a banker whose son decided to become a poet, surrendering a huge income in favor of a more fulfilling career. But the poet’s daughter decides to go back to the family business and become a banker.

If you just looked at the poet and his daughter, you might think that economic mobility is alive and well in America -- she probably makes a lot more money than her father does. But actually, the daughter might be drawing on much older, preexisting family resources – such as financial resources, personal connections, or knowledge about how Wall Street works from her grandfather – that make it easier for her to become a banker than it is for the average kid.

Looking across multiple generations gives researchers a better idea of the real state of inequality, “because there can be these one-generation blips that obscure the total amount of generational mobility,” says Ferrie.

The new calculations suggest that these one-generation blips have obscured a lot. Adding in data about past generations, Ferrie and his colleagues find that conventional measures of immobility, which just look at parents and children, have underestimated mobility by 20 percent compared to looking at three generations or more.

For example, Ferrie and his colleagues cite five previous studies that found that the correlation in educational attainment between a parent and a child is generally around .4 to .6. This basically means that, if my parent has one more year of schooling than your parent, I will automatically end up with 4/10 to 6/10 of an extra year of school than you have, all else equal. In other words, the amount of education you and I receive is highly determined by the achievements of our parents.

The new research, which takes account of grandparents, suggests that the correlation in education across generations is 20 percent higher than previously thought -- it is actually between .5 and .7. If my parent has an extra year of schooling compared to your parent, I will end up with roughly an extra half to 7/10 of a year of school than you have, all else equal. And that means that, measured by educational attainment, social inequality is more likely to persist over time than previous estimates of educational correlations between just parents and children had implied.

The study focuses specifically on how the educational attainment of families changes over time, which the researchers use as a proxy for economic mobility. That lack of mobility should be especially worrying for Americans, said Ferrie.

If the U.S. were to be a fairly unequal place but also have a lot of social mobility, that might be less worrying for economists, ethicists and others, Ferrie said. That would imply that America has a sharp divide between the rich and poor, but that the people at the bottom of the economic ladder could work their way up through luck or hard work. In fact, that has been a popular view of how the U.S. works ever since Horatio Alger published his rags-to-riches stories in the mid-19th Century.

Unfortunately, evidence now abounds that this idyllic version of America -- a place where men and women can attain their highest potential regardless of the circumstances of their birth -- is not one that many Americans experience.

“Any measure of mobility we have is too high,” says Ferrie. “Whatever you thought, it’s worse.”

Ferrie cautions that their research does not yet provide clues as to why this is occurring. It could be that grandparents and parents are passing on financial resources, or intangible resources like information and values. Or it could be something else entirely. The researchers are continuing to study the topic, and they expect to have more data soon on why these trends might occur. Eventually, they aim to link six generations of data together, to create family lines that stretch from 2013 all the way back to 1850.

Their findings could have big implications for how the government addresses poverty. If exposure to a good role model is enough to lift educational outcomes in children, that would have very different implications for public policy than if inequality stems from deeper, more intractable reasons. Regardless, the new research suggests those policy solutions are more needed than ever.

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Also, first time doing E for months ama

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Serious / Bank of England may have double counted some Brexit costs
« on: September 24, 2016, 07:37:42 AM »
Wow.

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The Bank of England may need to revise up its growth forecasts after double-counting some of the costs of economic uncertainty linked to the country's Brexit vote, policymaker Kristin Forbes said in an interview published on Thursday.

"We may be over-counting the effects," Forbes was quoted as saying by Bloomberg News. "I've worried a bit in our forecast that we control for many of the measures that simultaneously control for uncertainty, and then we put in uncertainty effects, so we're putting them in twice," she added.

Last week the BoE said it expected the economy to slow less rapidly in the three months to September than it had previously estimated, but most of its policymakers were still likely to back a rate cut later this year. Earlier on Thursday, Forbes said she did not see a case for a further rate cut.

(Reporting by David Milliken; editing by William Schomberg)

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Serious / There is no War on Drugs
« on: September 22, 2016, 02:31:04 AM »
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And now we have these fat fucking slobs trying to raise money walking just ten miles. People are unwilling to walk more than ten minutes to work. And you better believe if the job is too demanding they'll just claim jobseekers' while they "look" for something "more appropriate".

Fuck this society.

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Serious / SKINNY CAPPUCCINO
« on: September 21, 2016, 08:30:47 PM »
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The Flood / lets smoke soem zoots and have a party
« on: September 19, 2016, 02:18:47 PM »

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Serious / Germany softens stance on Brexit
« on: September 15, 2016, 04:26:53 AM »
WSJ

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Germany seems to be softening its stance on Brexit, and not a moment too soon.

“Given Britain’s size, significance, and its long membership of the European Union, there will probably be a special status which only bears limited comparison to that of countries that have never belonged to the European Union,” Michael Roth, Germany’s minister of European affairs, said last month. Mr. Roth’s comments mark a departure from Chancellor Angela Merkel’s declaration, made shortly after the Brexit referendum in June, that Britain would receive no special treatment, nor would it be allowed to “cherry pick” benefits such as full access to the single market.

The change in tone was probably inevitable. Mrs. Merkel’s initial response was a negotiating tactic that stalled when new British Prime Minister Theresa May refused to trigger formal exit negotiations immediately. Mrs. Merkel apparently hoped that the lack of any Brexit plan might lead the British government to call a second referendum or an early election.


Instead, the passage of time is revealing how weak Germany’s and the EU’s negotiating position actually is. Politically, Mrs. Merkel is committed to “ever closer” integration within the EU and wants to transform Germany into a “moral superpower.” But these goals, which have manifested partly in a willingness to bail out bankrupt eurozone member states and partly in controversial policies, such as welcoming more than 1.5 million migrants over the past 18 months, carry spiraling economic and social costs that German voters might not be prepared to bear.

So Mrs. Merkel has sought to disguise the true costs of European union by shifting the book value of Germany’s total euro rescue loans and guarantee exposure to the Bundesbank, the European Central Bank and the European Stability Mechanism. But this strategy has turned those three institutions into “bad banks” holding nonperforming assets such as Greek sovereign debt. With taxpayers on the hook in the event of losses at those institutions, Berlin can’t afford many more financial shocks.


Meanwhile, Germany has stood by while, for the sake of holding the euro together, the ECB has pursued policies that hurt Germans. German savers lost interest income worth €125 billion ($140 billion) between 2011 and 2015 as a result of the ECB’s ultralow rates and quantitative easing, according to a study from Germany’s Postbank. And the open door to migrants will cost €50 billion in 2016 and 2017 alone and nearly €400 billion over the next 20 years, assuming optimistically that most of these refugees eventually find work. If integration fails or many more refugees arrive, the costs will be significantly higher.

Due to continuing euro crisis measures and the increasing costs of its refugee policy, Germany’s economy and public finances are likely to weaken while German unemployment should start rising again beginning next year. With economic growth chronically sputtering, Berlin (and the EU overall) will have to depend on trade-induced moderate growth to minimize the future costs of these various policies to taxpayers.

Trade with the U.K. will be a crucial component. Nine EU member states send at least 5% of their total exports to Britain, and in Germany that percentage is around 7.5. Germany’s trade surplus with the U.K. was €51 billion in 2015, around 20.5% of Germany’s entire trade surplus.

Yet even these figures understate Germany’s economic dependence on Britain. Around 36% of Germany’s total exports in 2015 went to countries within the eurozone. However, under the so-called Target2 payments system operated by the ECB, Germany’s balance-of-payments surplus with the eurozone is financed not by the transfer of foreign-currency reserves, gold or other near-liquid assets, but by an open-ended overdraft facility granted by the Bundesbank.

Under this peculiar system, the exporter is paid not by the importing country but by Germany’s central bank, which itself never receives payment. Rather, a credit note is issued by the importing country’s central bank, which it has no obligation ever to pay.

The Bundesbank’s Target2 balance stood at more than €660 billion as of July. If Germany’s eurozone exports were paid for in the same way as its other exports, it would be a much richer country.

That Germany is moderately prosperous at all under this system is owed in large measure to its trade surplus with partners outside the eurozone. This surplus is paid for in the traditional way, by transferring actual money to Germany. Germany and other export-driven eurozone economies thus depend on trade with Britain as a key partner outside the dysfunctional eurozone much more than is commonly realized.

ECB President Mario Draghi is well aware of the EU’s fragility. According to ECB and Italian political sources, he has assured investment banks, including Goldman Sachs, that Germany won’t do anything to put trade relations at risk. Mr. Draghi has also reportedly expressed confidence that French and European Commission resistance to concessions to Britain could be overcome and that, in return, Mrs. Merkel would be open to French demands for a eurozone finance ministry after the 2017 German election, as well as new bail-out facilities for Italy’s moribund banks. According to Wells Fargo, Italian banks are currently sitting on €350 billion in nonperforming loans.

If the British government plays its hand well, it will be able to choose its terms of renegotiation with the EU. By postponing the official start of withdrawal negotiation until 2017, Mrs. May has made a promising start.

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Serious / Nigel Farage in EU Parliament: "You act like you want war."
« on: September 14, 2016, 03:09:38 PM »
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The Flood / God save our gracious memes
« on: September 13, 2016, 10:39:36 AM »
Long live our noble memes
God save the memes
Send them dankly forward
Overused and tortured
God save the memes

O Lord our Pepe arise
Scatter the normies
And make $hillary fall
Counfound their waifus
Smite all the weeaboos
We give our memes to you
Pepe save us all

Thy choicest gifs in store
The dankest memes of all
Long may Pepe reign
May you defend our boards
From newfag cringe galore
We sing with Pepe's voice
God save the memes

Not in this forum alone
But be Pepe's dankness known
From board to board
Pepe make the internets see
That dank should memes be
And make fun of the normie
Under Trump's gaze

From every normie fag
From $hillary's Saudi swag
God save the memes
O'er memes Pepe's arm extends
For dankness sake he defends
Our jpegs, gifs and macros
God save the memes

Pepe grant that Marshal Meme
May by thy politically incorrect theme
Our dankness he repays 
May he $hillary hush
And with high energy rush
Normie faggots to crush
God save our Pepes

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The Flood / Seriously, fuck spiders
« on: September 12, 2016, 09:33:36 PM »
Anybody who's not an atheist after having seen a spider is clearly a fucking masochist.

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Haven't they done enough?

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Microsoft recently posted a brand-new blog post regarding the upcoming Windows 10 update which will launch this Aug. 2. Among the updates, it has been stated that every game Microsoft published from that point on will use the Xbox Play Anywhere platform, guaranteeing upcoming games like "Halo 6" will be on both the PC and the Xbox One.

"Every new title published from Microsoft Studios will support Xbox Play Anywhere and will be easily accessible in the Windows Store," reads the official statement from Microsoft. Given that "Halo 6" comes out much later than the Windows 10 update it is likely that it will also be affected by this, ensuring it will play on both platforms.

PC Gamer confirms that "Halo 6" is indeed in development right now and 343 Industries does have plans to keep the franchise going for another decade or two. The game is also rumored to start yet another trilogy in the series, meaning "Halo 7" to "Halo 9" will see the main hero, the Master Chief, dealing with a new set of enemies than before.

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Only parenthetically in the middle of the 10-minute conversation did Trump turn to a favorite topic—size. “40 Wall Street,” he said, referring to his 71-story building blocks away from the now-collapsed twin towers, “actually was the second-tallest building in downtown Manhattan, and it was actually, before the World Trade Center, was the tallest—and then, when they built the World Trade Center, it became known as the second-tallest. And now it’s the tallest.”

Marcus chalked up the remark to “Donald being Donald. … He is the brand manager of Trump, and he is going to tout that brand, and he does it reflexively,” he said. “Even on that day.”

Assassination when?

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Fuck. Off.

This is getting fucking ridiculous.

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Serious / Gary Johnson: "What is Aleppo?"
« on: September 08, 2016, 07:27:14 PM »

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Serious / Two banks cancel Brexit recession forecasts
« on: September 06, 2016, 03:52:12 PM »
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Two leading City institutions have cancelled predictions of an EU referendum recession and revised their economic forecasts higher in response to better than expected economic surveys.

Economists from Credit Suisse and Morgan Stanley lifted growth predictions for 2016 and 2017, removing the expectation of a recession, but they said the Brexit vote would still slow growth.

The upward revisions followed good August results in the three main purchasing manager surveys — for the services, manufacturing and construction sectors. Brexit-supporting MPs said the results demonstrate the economy would remain robust following the vote.

Credit Suisse increased its forecast for 2016 growth from 1 per cent to 1.9 per cent and its 2017 forecast from a contraction of 1 per cent to growth of 0.5 per cent. Its economists had been the second most pessimistic among those surveyed by the Treasury in August.

Sonali Punhani, an economist at Credit Suisse, said that recent data had demonstrated that the shock of Brexit was “materially less than we expected in late June”.

“Given the resilience of the data, combined with some political stability and the fact that people do not know how much Brexit will affect them, we now expect subdued growth, but not a recession,” she said.

Morgan Stanley said it had changed its forecast because of the latest data “from a sharp slowdown and Brecession, to a lesser slowdown, which narrowly avoids a technical recession”.

Both banks expected Brexit would harm the UK economy and both expected the shock would be felt after the Article 50 leaving process was triggered rather than the referendum result itself.

Melanie Baker of Morgan Stanley said that when households notice changes to the economy, they are likely to become more reluctant to spend. “We expect current resilience will be undermined over time by firms holding back on investment and hiring, and an erosion of purchasing power, as the weaker GBP drives a pick-up in inflation,” she said.
Morgan Stanley revised its forecasts up from 1.2 to 1.9 per cent for 2016 and in 2017 from 0.5 to 0.6 per cent.

Many economists have been revising their forecasts up in response to the latest data, but almost all still expect the UK economy to perform worse after Brexit.

In the latest Treasury survey, the average independent economic forecasts for total growth over the 2016 to 2020 period were 3.3 percentage points lower than those in May.

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Serious / Should the British have stayed out of World War One?
« on: September 05, 2016, 02:49:29 PM »
And, by extension, the Americans.

Wikipedia excerpt on Niall Ferguson's book The Pity of War:

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This is an analytic account of what Ferguson considered to be the ten great myths of the Great War. The book generated much controversy, particularly Ferguson's suggestion that it might have proved more beneficial for Europe if Britain had stayed out of the First World War in 1914, thereby allowing Germany to win.[50] Ferguson has argued that the British decision to intervene was what stopped a German victory in 1914–15.

Furthermore, Ferguson expressed disagreement with the Sonderweg interpretation of German history championed by some German historians such as Fritz Fischer, Hans-Ulrich Wehler, Hans Mommsen and Wolfgang Mommsen, who argued that the German Empire deliberately started an aggressive war in 1914. Likewise, Ferguson has often attacked the work of the German historian Michael Stürmer, who argued that it was Germany's geographical situation in Central Europe that determined the course of German history.

On the contrary, Ferguson maintained that Germany waged a preventive war in 1914, a war largely forced on the Germans by reckless and irresponsible British diplomacy. In particular, Ferguson accused the British Foreign Secretary Sir Edward Grey of maintaining an ambiguous attitude to the question of whether Britain would enter the war or not, and thus confusing Berlin over just what was the British attitude towards the question of intervention in the war.[51] Ferguson accused London of unnecessarily allowing a regional war in Europe to escalate into a world war. Moreover, Ferguson denied that the origins of National Socialism could be traced back to Imperial Germany; instead Ferguson asserted the origins of Nazism could only be traced back to the First World War and its aftermath.

Ferguson attacked a number of ideas that he called "myths" in the book. They are listed here (with his counter-arguments in parentheses):

- That Germany was a highly militarist country before 1914 (Ferguson claims Germany was Europe's most anti-militarist country).[52]

- That naval challenges mounted by Germany drove Britain into informal alliances with France and Russia before 1914 (Ferguson claims the British chose alliances with France and Russia as a form of appeasement due to the strength of those nations, and an Anglo-German alliance failed to materialize due to German weakness).[53]

- That British foreign policy was driven by legitimate fears of Germany (Ferguson claims Germany posed no threat to Britain before 1914, and that all British fears of Germany were due to irrational anti-German prejudices).[54]

- That the pre-1914 arms race was consuming ever larger portions of national budgets at an unsustainable rate (Ferguson claims that the only limitations on more military spending before 1914 were political, not economic).[55]

- That World War I was, as Fritz Fischer claimed, a war of aggression on the part of Germany that necessitated British involvement to stop Germany from conquering Europe (Ferguson claims that if Germany had been victorious, something like the European Union would have been created in 1914, and that it would have been for the best if Britain had chosen to opt out of war in 1914).[56]

- That most people were happy with the outbreak of war in 1914 (Ferguson claims that most Europeans were saddened by the coming of war).[57]

- That propaganda was successful in making men wish to fight (Ferguson argues the opposite).[58]

- That the Allies made the best use of their economic resources (Ferguson argues that the Allies “squandered” their economic resources).[59]

- That the British and the French had the better armies (Ferguson claims the German Army was superior).[60]

- That the Allies were more efficient at killing Germans (Ferguson argues that the Germans were more efficient at killing the Allies).[61]

- That most soldiers hated fighting in the war (Ferguson argues most soldiers fought more or less willingly).[62]

- That the British treated German prisoners of war well (Ferguson argues the British routinely killed German POWs).[63]

- That Germany was faced with reparations after 1921 that could not be paid except at ruinous economic cost (Ferguson argues that Germany could easily have paid reparations had there been the political will).[64]

Another controversial aspect of The Pity of War is Ferguson's use of counterfactual history also known as "speculative" or "hypothetical" history. In the book, Ferguson presents a hypothetical version of Europe being, under Imperial German domination, a peaceful, prosperous, democratic continent, without ideologies like communism or fascism.[65]

In Ferguson's view, had Germany won World War I, then the lives of millions would have been saved, something like the European Union would have been founded in 1914, and Britain would have remained an empire as well as the world's dominant financial power.[65]

Interview with Ferguson (just stick it at the beginning):

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IQ Squared debate on the topic:

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An article from Radio Times where Max Hastings and Niall Ferguson present their opposing viewpoints.

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The Flood / this song is for real niggaz ONLY
« on: September 05, 2016, 04:14:58 AM »
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The Flood / never fails to make me laugh
« on: September 03, 2016, 10:57:05 AM »
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The Flood / where the fuck is my pizza
« on: September 03, 2016, 09:28:41 AM »
was supposed to be here at 3:15, then they added ten minutes to the delivery time

it's now 3:28.

what the fuck man

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The Flood / verb wtf
« on: September 03, 2016, 07:52:28 AM »
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ded

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The Flood / remember when deej banned me for two years
« on: September 03, 2016, 12:02:37 AM »
W E W
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that was some dank memery

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The Flood / its nearly 6am
« on: September 02, 2016, 11:44:04 PM »
and im just sat on my moms bed listening to johnny cash while doing lines of ket and staring out the window

wtf even if my life lads


















i figured out what this watched nonsense is too

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Serious / Scottish Conservative leader more popular than Nicola Sturgeon
« on: September 02, 2016, 05:09:08 AM »


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