The Forerunner Ecumene vs Imperium of Man

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fills his victims full of dread
Running as fast as they can
Iron Man lives again!"
That's right. Two rather large dogs fighting to the death.

Who wins in this fight for the galaxy???

Both empires are at their peak.
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The Forerunner Ecumene at its height would destroy the Imperium of Man.

The Forerunner Ecumene at its peak against the IoM at its peak plus the Emperor would be a closer fight.


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To say, 'nothing is true', is to realize that the foundations of society are fragile, and that we must be the shepherds of our own civilization. To say, 'everything is permitted', is to understand that we are the architects of our actions, and that we must live with their consequences, whether glorious or tragic.
The Forerunner Ecumene at its height would destroy the Imperium of Man.

The Forerunner Ecumene at its peak against the IoM at its peak plus the Emperor would be a closer fight.
>The Emperor
>Close fight
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The Forerunner Ecumene at its height would destroy the Imperium of Man.

The Forerunner Ecumene at its peak against the IoM at its peak plus the Emperor would be a closer fight.
>The Emperor
>Close fight
nice joke
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The Forerunner Ecumene at its height would destroy the Imperium of Man.

The Forerunner Ecumene at its peak against the IoM at its peak plus the Emperor would be a closer fight.
>The Emperor
>Close fight
nice joke
NIGGA IS THAT HERESY IM READIN HERE?!
To do a camnator, the only heretic here is yourself.

Doubting the Emperor cannot singlehandedly grape the entire forerunner species out of existence is almost cute in it's naive heresy.


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The Forerunner Ecumene at its height would destroy the Imperium of Man.

The Forerunner Ecumene at its peak against the IoM at its peak plus the Emperor would be a closer fight.
>The Emperor
>Close fight
nice joke
NIGGA IS THAT HERESY IM READIN HERE?!
To do a camnator, the only heretic here is yourself.

Doubting the Emperor cannot singlehandedly grape the entire forerunner species out of existence is almost cute in it's naive heresy.
Of course he can't, not while being alive and not in the Golden Throne. Alive he is powerful yes, but when the immense might of the superior Forerunner navy hits...yeah.


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The Forerunner Ecumene at its height would destroy the Imperium of Man.

The Forerunner Ecumene at its peak against the IoM at its peak plus the Emperor would be a closer fight.
>The Emperor
>Close fight
nice joke
NIGGA IS THAT HERESY IM READIN HERE?!
To do a camnator, the only heretic here is yourself.

Doubting the Emperor cannot singlehandedly grape the entire forerunner species out of existence is almost cute in it's naive heresy.



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The Forerunner Ecumene at its height would destroy the Imperium of Man.

The Forerunner Ecumene at its peak against the IoM at its peak plus the Emperor would be a closer fight.
>The Emperor
>Close fight
nice joke
NIGGA IS THAT HERESY IM READIN HERE?!
To do a camnator, the only heretic here is yourself.

Doubting the Emperor cannot singlehandedly grape the entire forerunner species out of existence is almost cute in it's naive heresy.
Of course he can't, not while being alive and not in the Golden Throne. Alive he is powerful yes, but when the immense might of the superior Forerunner navy hits...yeah.
If the forerunners get to be at their peak, so does the Emperor.

Or hell, just switch off the throne and watch him reincarnate.
Sure terra would be lost but then the golden boy is back in town.

This is a chap who dragged a dragon from syria to mars in an age without space travel.

Go figure.


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The Forerunner Ecumene at its height would destroy the Imperium of Man.

The Forerunner Ecumene at its peak against the IoM at its peak plus the Emperor would be a closer fight.
>The Emperor
>Close fight
nice joke
NIGGA IS THAT HERESY IM READIN HERE?!
To do a camnator, the only heretic here is yourself.

Doubting the Emperor cannot singlehandedly grape the entire forerunner species out of existence is almost cute in it's naive heresy.
Of course he can't, not while being alive and not in the Golden Throne. Alive he is powerful yes, but when the immense might of the superior Forerunner navy hits...yeah.
If the forerunners get to be at their peak, so does the Emperor.

Or hell, just switch off the throne and watch him reincarnate.
Sure terra would be lost but then the golden boy is back in town.

This is a chap who dragged a dragon from syria to mars in an age without space travel.

Go figure.
That would imply that the Star Child Theory is correct.


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"Heavy boots of lead
fills his victims full of dread
Running as fast as they can
Iron Man lives again!"
No Wankperor.

But even with him alive, the Emberor is powered by the faith of people (I believe). And when the Forerunner starts blowing up star systems and blowing up planets, I'm sure that his power will fade as people lose faith.


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To say, 'nothing is true', is to realize that the foundations of society are fragile, and that we must be the shepherds of our own civilization. To say, 'everything is permitted', is to understand that we are the architects of our actions, and that we must live with their consequences, whether glorious or tragic.
Or just have a couple thousand decent psyker gooks drink the punch and create another Emperor. Any way, the Forerunners are toast.


 
 
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The Forerunner Ecumene at its height would destroy the Imperium of Man.

The Forerunner Ecumene at its peak against the IoM at its peak plus the Emperor would be a closer fight.
>The Emperor
>Close fight
nice joke
NIGGA IS THAT HERESY IM READIN HERE?!
To do a camnator, the only heretic here is yourself.

Doubting the Emperor cannot singlehandedly grape the entire forerunner species out of existence is almost cute in it's naive heresy.
Of course he can't, not while being alive and not in the Golden Throne. Alive he is powerful yes, but when the immense might of the superior Forerunner navy hits...yeah.
If the forerunners get to be at their peak, so does the Emperor.

Or hell, just switch off the throne and watch him reincarnate.
Sure terra would be lost but then the golden boy is back in town.

This is a chap who dragged a dragon from syria to mars in an age without space travel.

Go figure.
That would imply that the Star Child Theory is correct.
I favour the Sensei theory really <_<

Nothing like feeding someone all of their children to reincarnate them the hard way.


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The Forerunner Ecumene at its height would destroy the Imperium of Man.

The Forerunner Ecumene at its peak against the IoM at its peak plus the Emperor would be a closer fight.
>The Emperor
>Close fight
nice joke
NIGGA IS THAT HERESY IM READIN HERE?!
To do a camnator, the only heretic here is yourself.

Doubting the Emperor cannot singlehandedly grape the entire forerunner species out of existence is almost cute in it's naive heresy.
Of course he can't, not while being alive and not in the Golden Throne. Alive he is powerful yes, but when the immense might of the superior Forerunner navy hits...yeah.
If the forerunners get to be at their peak, so does the Emperor.

Or hell, just switch off the throne and watch him reincarnate.
Sure terra would be lost but then the golden boy is back in town.

This is a chap who dragged a dragon from syria to mars in an age without space travel.

Go figure.
That would imply that the Star Child Theory is correct.
I favour the Sensei theory really <_<

Nothing like feeding someone all of their children to reincarnate them the hard way.
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No Wankperor.

But even with him alive, the Emberor is powered by the faith of people (I believe). And when the Forerunner starts blowing up star systems and blowing up planets, I'm sure that his power will fade as people lose faith.

Cry more.

The Emperor was a God powered being even before the faith in the Emperor started to supercharge his psychic imprint in the warp.

Oh no blowing up a few planets, whatever will the feeble hearted folk of the Imperium do.

It's not like the Imperium itself routinely burns entire planets to ashes, detonates their cores and atomises the rubble. Or that every day more and more planets fall to daemonic incursion. Or the Nids. Or the Tau. Or the Eldar Pirates. Or the Necrons. Or the Chaos Marines. Or the Orks.

Whatever will they do, they must be quaking at the thought of a few planets, star systems and subsectors being liquidated.

His power isn't a malleable thing based on faith points, the accumulated psychic imprint of the entire species has created a warp entity in the form of the Emperor which is at the same time the Emperor. Killing a few trillion humans won't do jack shit in 40k.


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No Wankperor.

But even with him alive, the Emberor is powered by the faith of people (I believe). And when the Forerunner starts blowing up star systems and blowing up planets, I'm sure that his power will fade as people lose faith.

Cry more.

The Emperor was a God powered being even before the faith in the Emperor started to supercharge his psychic imprint in the warp.

Oh no blowing up a few planets, whatever will the feeble hearted folk of the Imperium do.

It's not like the Imperium itself routinely burns entire planets to ashes, detonates their cores and atomises the rubble. Or that every day more and more planets fall to daemonic incursion. Or the Nids. Or the Tau. Or the Eldar Pirates. Or the Necrons. Or the Chaos Marines. Or the Orks.

Whatever will they do, they must be quaking at the thought of a few planets, star systems and subsectors being liquidated.

His power isn't a malleable thing based on faith points, the accumulated psychic imprint of the entire species has created a warp entity in the form of the Emperor which is at the same time the Emperor. Killing a few trillion humans won't do jack shit in 40k.
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No Wankperor.

But even with him alive, the Emberor is powered by the faith of people (I believe). And when the Forerunner starts blowing up star systems and blowing up planets, I'm sure that his power will fade as people lose faith.

Cry more.

The Emperor was a God powered being even before the faith in the Emperor started to supercharge his psychic imprint in the warp.

Oh no blowing up a few planets, whatever will the feeble hearted folk of the Imperium do.

It's not like the Imperium itself routinely burns entire planets to ashes, detonates their cores and atomises the rubble. Or that every day more and more planets fall to daemonic incursion. Or the Nids. Or the Tau. Or the Eldar Pirates. Or the Necrons. Or the Chaos Marines. Or the Orks.

Whatever will they do, they must be quaking at the thought of a few planets, star systems and subsectors being liquidated.

His power isn't a malleable thing based on faith points, the accumulated psychic imprint of the entire species has created a warp entity in the form of the Emperor which is at the same time the Emperor. Killing a few trillion humans won't do jack shit in 40k.
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Funny thing is, my OP never included the Empurur.

Or nids. Or Tau. Or CTan. Or anything.

This is the Imperium vs Forerunners.

Not the God Emburur of Mankind vs Forerunners.


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No Wankperor.

But even with him alive, the Emberor is powered by the faith of people (I believe). And when the Forerunner starts blowing up star systems and blowing up planets, I'm sure that his power will fade as people lose faith.

Cry more.

The Emperor was a God powered being even before the faith in the Emperor started to supercharge his psychic imprint in the warp.

Oh no blowing up a few planets, whatever will the feeble hearted folk of the Imperium do.

It's not like the Imperium itself routinely burns entire planets to ashes, detonates their cores and atomises the rubble. Or that every day more and more planets fall to daemonic incursion. Or the Nids. Or the Tau. Or the Eldar Pirates. Or the Necrons. Or the Chaos Marines. Or the Orks.

Whatever will they do, they must be quaking at the thought of a few planets, star systems and subsectors being liquidated.

His power isn't a malleable thing based on faith points, the accumulated psychic imprint of the entire species has created a warp entity in the form of the Emperor which is at the same time the Emperor. Killing a few trillion humans won't do jack shit in 40k.
Forerunners are closer to super-civilizations like the Culture and stuff than the IoM. Book Forerunners would deploy so fast though slipspace that the Imperium would lag behind.

Terra would be the only planet that would take years to besiege and conquer because...well its Terra. What the Imperium has going for them in standard infantry are flashlight guys against the Warrior-Servants, the Space Marines against the superior numbers of the ancient Prometheans, and their warships are outclassed by the Forerunner battleships. Contender-class AIs would render most of the IoM's naval ships useless and allow the rest of the Forerunner armada to mop the floor...or space with the inferior Imperial ships.

This is like comparing the Galactic Empire with United Federation of Planets.


 
 
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Funny thing is, my OP never included the Empurur.

Or nids. Or Tau. Or CTan. Or anything.

This is the Imperium vs Forerunners.

Not the God Emburur of Mankind vs Forerunners.
''The Imperium of Man''

Just not including the leader of said imperium.

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To say, 'nothing is true', is to realize that the foundations of society are fragile, and that we must be the shepherds of our own civilization. To say, 'everything is permitted', is to understand that we are the architects of our actions, and that we must live with their consequences, whether glorious or tragic.
Funny thing is, my OP never included the Empurur.

Or nids. Or Tau. Or CTan. Or anything.

This is the Imperium vs Forerunners.

Not the God Emburur of Mankind vs Forerunners.
It's his Empire dammit.


 
 
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No Wankperor.

But even with him alive, the Emberor is powered by the faith of people (I believe). And when the Forerunner starts blowing up star systems and blowing up planets, I'm sure that his power will fade as people lose faith.

Cry more.

The Emperor was a God powered being even before the faith in the Emperor started to supercharge his psychic imprint in the warp.

Oh no blowing up a few planets, whatever will the feeble hearted folk of the Imperium do.

It's not like the Imperium itself routinely burns entire planets to ashes, detonates their cores and atomises the rubble. Or that every day more and more planets fall to daemonic incursion. Or the Nids. Or the Tau. Or the Eldar Pirates. Or the Necrons. Or the Chaos Marines. Or the Orks.

Whatever will they do, they must be quaking at the thought of a few planets, star systems and subsectors being liquidated.

His power isn't a malleable thing based on faith points, the accumulated psychic imprint of the entire species has created a warp entity in the form of the Emperor which is at the same time the Emperor. Killing a few trillion humans won't do jack shit in 40k.
Forerunners are closer to super-civilizations like the Culture and stuff than the IoM. Book Forerunners would deploy so fast though slipspace that the Imperium would lag behind.

Terra would be the only planet that would take years to besiege and conquer because...well its Terra. What the Imperium has going for them in standard infantry are flashlight guys against the Warrior-Servants, the Space Marines against the superior numbers of the ancient Prometheans, and their warships are outclassed by the Forerunner battleships. Contender-class AIs would render most of the IoM's naval ships useless and allow the rest of the Forerunner armada to mop the floor...or space with the inferior Imperial ships.

This is like comparing the Galactic Empire with United Federation of Planets.

Hmm, well that would depend on which universe they decided to fight in.

If the forerunners were on the offensive, they'd be in the 40kverse and so they'd either have to ask the eldar very nicely about the webway or they'd be slogging through the warp. Without Gellar fields. That ends well.

But giving them the +1 handicap, because they need it, say they had the slipspace FTL advantage - That's all well and good for rapid deployment but then they tend to run into a bit of a problem. The Imperium doesn't give a shit about 98% of the planets in it's Empire, because they are all pretty much expendable.

Forge Worlds, Fortress Worlds, Space Marine homeworlds and Terra are the kind of places that count.

At any given time the amount of forces defending each of these locations is utterly overwhelming, it takes something like the 3rd war for Armageddon to draw forces away from these locations willingly.

The forerunner ships might have some nice fancy stuff going for them, but some of the bigger IoM spacecraft would still batter them to hell and back. Stick a few nova cannons into the fleets and that'll be GG for basically anything in the firing line.

Then to take the ground on each planet?

Good luck on that one, the IOM has trillions (not exaggerated) of flashlighters and figures vary but around about a million odd space marines. Quite aside from the toys the ad mech roll out to play.

Like Cadia for example.

13 black crusades and counting.


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No Wankperor.

But even with him alive, the Emberor is powered by the faith of people (I believe). And when the Forerunner starts blowing up star systems and blowing up planets, I'm sure that his power will fade as people lose faith.

Cry more.

The Emperor was a God powered being even before the faith in the Emperor started to supercharge his psychic imprint in the warp.

Oh no blowing up a few planets, whatever will the feeble hearted folk of the Imperium do.

It's not like the Imperium itself routinely burns entire planets to ashes, detonates their cores and atomises the rubble. Or that every day more and more planets fall to daemonic incursion. Or the Nids. Or the Tau. Or the Eldar Pirates. Or the Necrons. Or the Chaos Marines. Or the Orks.

Whatever will they do, they must be quaking at the thought of a few planets, star systems and subsectors being liquidated.

His power isn't a malleable thing based on faith points, the accumulated psychic imprint of the entire species has created a warp entity in the form of the Emperor which is at the same time the Emperor. Killing a few trillion humans won't do jack shit in 40k.
Forerunners are closer to super-civilizations like the Culture and stuff than the IoM. Book Forerunners would deploy so fast though slipspace that the Imperium would lag behind.

Terra would be the only planet that would take years to besiege and conquer because...well its Terra. What the Imperium has going for them in standard infantry are flashlight guys against the Warrior-Servants, the Space Marines against the superior numbers of the ancient Prometheans, and their warships are outclassed by the Forerunner battleships. Contender-class AIs would render most of the IoM's naval ships useless and allow the rest of the Forerunner armada to mop the floor...or space with the inferior Imperial ships.

This is like comparing the Galactic Empire with United Federation of Planets.

Hmm, well that would depend on which universe they decided to fight in.

If the forerunners were on the offensive, they'd be in the 40kverse and so they'd either have to ask the eldar very nicely about the webway or they'd be slogging through the warp. Without Gellar fields. That ends well.

But giving them the +1 handicap, because they need it, say they had the slipspace FTL advantage - That's all well and good for rapid deployment but then they tend to run into a bit of a problem. The Imperium doesn't give a shit about 98% of the planets in it's Empire, because they are all pretty much expendable.

Forge Worlds, Fortress Worlds, Space Marine homeworlds and Terra are the kind of places that count.

At any given time the amount of forces defending each of these locations is utterly overwhelming, it takes something like the 3rd war for Armageddon to draw forces away from these locations willingly.

The forerunner ships might have some nice fancy stuff going for them, but some of the bigger IoM spacecraft would still batter them to hell and back. Stick a few nova cannons into the fleets and that'll be GG for basically anything in the firing line.

Then to take the ground on each planet?

Good luck on that one, the IOM has trillions (not exaggerated) of flashlighters and figures vary but around about a million odd space marines. Quite aside from the toys the ad mech roll out to play.

Like Cadia for example.

13 black crusades and counting.
I think that the Eldar would allow them, since you know...fuck the humans right? lol

Well, then the Forerunners would have to wisely use their AIs, Strategos and military leaders who have served for thousands of years. But if it were fleet against fleet, the IoM side would be annihilated. Wiping out planet after planet would be a severe waste of resources, and the Forerunners would use some other type of offensive plans.

And also, better ships? Lets say, the Forerunners come equip with stuff that is stronger than hundreds of NOVA bombs. A single battleship being able to wipe out multiple stars in firepower, like the Didact's Mantle Approach, an old and support ship was bigger than the friggin Death Star II.
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No Wankperor.

But even with him alive, the Emberor is powered by the faith of people (I believe). And when the Forerunner starts blowing up star systems and blowing up planets, I'm sure that his power will fade as people lose faith.

Cry more.

The Emperor was a God powered being even before the faith in the Emperor started to supercharge his psychic imprint in the warp.

Oh no blowing up a few planets, whatever will the feeble hearted folk of the Imperium do.

It's not like the Imperium itself routinely burns entire planets to ashes, detonates their cores and atomises the rubble. Or that every day more and more planets fall to daemonic incursion. Or the Nids. Or the Tau. Or the Eldar Pirates. Or the Necrons. Or the Chaos Marines. Or the Orks.

Whatever will they do, they must be quaking at the thought of a few planets, star systems and subsectors being liquidated.

His power isn't a malleable thing based on faith points, the accumulated psychic imprint of the entire species has created a warp entity in the form of the Emperor which is at the same time the Emperor. Killing a few trillion humans won't do jack shit in 40k.
Forerunners are closer to super-civilizations like the Culture and stuff than the IoM. Book Forerunners would deploy so fast though slipspace that the Imperium would lag behind.

Terra would be the only planet that would take years to besiege and conquer because...well its Terra. What the Imperium has going for them in standard infantry are flashlight guys against the Warrior-Servants, the Space Marines against the superior numbers of the ancient Prometheans, and their warships are outclassed by the Forerunner battleships. Contender-class AIs would render most of the IoM's naval ships useless and allow the rest of the Forerunner armada to mop the floor...or space with the inferior Imperial ships.

This is like comparing the Galactic Empire with United Federation of Planets.

Hmm, well that would depend on which universe they decided to fight in.

If the forerunners were on the offensive, they'd be in the 40kverse and so they'd either have to ask the eldar very nicely about the webway or they'd be slogging through the warp. Without Gellar fields. That ends well.

But giving them the +1 handicap, because they need it, say they had the slipspace FTL advantage - That's all well and good for rapid deployment but then they tend to run into a bit of a problem. The Imperium doesn't give a shit about 98% of the planets in it's Empire, because they are all pretty much expendable.

Forge Worlds, Fortress Worlds, Space Marine homeworlds and Terra are the kind of places that count.

At any given time the amount of forces defending each of these locations is utterly overwhelming, it takes something like the 3rd war for Armageddon to draw forces away from these locations willingly.

The forerunner ships might have some nice fancy stuff going for them, but some of the bigger IoM spacecraft would still batter them to hell and back. Stick a few nova cannons into the fleets and that'll be GG for basically anything in the firing line.

Then to take the ground on each planet?

Good luck on that one, the IOM has trillions (not exaggerated) of flashlighters and figures vary but around about a million odd space marines. Quite aside from the toys the ad mech roll out to play.

Like Cadia for example.

13 black crusades and counting.
I think that the Eldar would allow them, since you know...fuck the humans right? lol

Well, then the Forerunners would have to wisely use their AIs, Strategos and military leaders who have served for thousands of years. But if it were fleet against fleet, the IoM side would be annihilated. Wiping out planet after planet would be a severe waste of resources, and the Forerunners would use some other type of offensive plans.
It's unlikely but equally likely. The Eldar are so far up their own arse with reading the runes and staring into the future they tend to only wake up when you have a bayonet through their abdomen.

The IOM is the ultimate meatgrinder, that's why it comes out on top. Not in the first war, the second or even the third. But it always overcomes.

The forerunners might break one fleet, the might break them all but the shipyards at Bakka-Triu and Jupiter would crank out another few hundred in the time it took them to wipe.

Everything in the Imperium is expendable barring the forgeworlds and terra really. Short of completely annihilating the IoM down to the last man there would always be one more guardsman with one more lasgun ready to shoot at one more forerunner.

If they didn't have that, they would have collapsed under the weight of 15k years of total war e.e

The KD would be atrocious I'm sure, but this is an Empire that spawned the Death Korps of Krieg. Every man, woman and child on that planet exists simply to die for the Emperor or make more children to die for the Emperor. They have no souls, lives or anything. Just one long march to the grave. Or a short one.

I don't think the forerunners have quite that amount of numbers or resources, or fanaticism that the catholic church could only hope to dream of.

e.e