i personally don't care because it's not like their personal modifications will affect my copy
Fight Club but the script is written by Todd Howard and George Lucas
Oh hell yeah, I'd mod tron using updated graphics, I'd fix scenes in X3, make characters die at more meaningful times.If I could fix all the things I don't like about the stories I love, I would.
I've never really been into mods for my games, so I don't have much of an opinion on that. However, modifying movies/shows is something while I wont say you can't do, I will say you shouldn't. Ultimately what one person does with their copy is their business, so long as they realize they're admitting what they're doing is only a benefit to themselves. There's a regular on /a/ who has taken it upon himself to redo the entire NGE series that was released on Blu-ray several years ago. Normally this wouldn't bother me; if some asshole wants to destroy his $300 copy he's more than welcome to. However he then releases it to the public claiming it's the "Definitive" version that fixes the "color mistakes made during the remaster process". Here is one individual going over the original creators process of remastering NGE for Blu-ray: I find it insulting how some dipshit who literally played around with the coloring on his copy during his free time claims that the 40+ hours an episode that was worked on just color was a mistake. It's a huge middle finger to the creators who really busted their ass to release a twenty year old title on Blu-ray for the first time for their fans, just to have some guy metaphorically spit in their face and say he can do it better.
Quote from: Fishcakes on April 03, 2017, 10:01:08 PMOh hell yeah, I'd mod tron using updated graphics, I'd fix scenes in X3, make characters die at more meaningful times.If I could fix all the things I don't like about the stories I love, I would.then do you really love the story?
Quote from: Verbatim on April 03, 2017, 10:03:21 PMQuote from: Fishcakes on April 03, 2017, 10:01:08 PMOh hell yeah, I'd mod tron using updated graphics, I'd fix scenes in X3, make characters die at more meaningful times.If I could fix all the things I don't like about the stories I love, I would.then do you really love the story?yesJust like I love my family, even though there are things I don't like about them.And if I didn't want to change anything about them, then I wouldn't spend so much time talking to them and trying to change their minds. If I could just do it, like making a mod, it would be a load off of me emotionally.
how are mods any different from a song cover? is trent reznor spitting in the face of ian curtist when he records dead souls? is he metaphorically claiming that he's better than ian curtis, or is he just paying homage to an artist he admires by adding his own spin.
see, this is exactly how i feel, but i just apply the same principle to games as wellthe more i think about it, the more difficult it is for me to understand why nobody else feels the same wayso i was sitting down and this analogy came to mind--people get offended as fuck when people screw around with their favorite movies, yet screwing around with games is not only acceptable, but encouraged by literally everybodyas an appreciator of all forms of art, and someone who believes that it should all remain untouched, this phenomenon is bizarre to me
Quote from: Snake on April 03, 2017, 10:16:14 PMhow are mods any different from a song cover? is trent reznor spitting in the face of ian curtist when he records dead souls? is he metaphorically claiming that he's better than ian curtis, or is he just paying homage to an artist he admires by adding his own spin.not really what i had in minda better comparison would be if trent recorded his vocals over the instrumental of the original song--that would be bad--but even then, that's a stretch, because that's basically just karaokethe best example of what i'm talking about here is if trent took the original song and just sprinkled a few MLG airhorn noises haphazardly throughout the track--that would be analagous to a "mod"but no, it's that the entire song was rebuilt from the ground up with his flavoring that makes it his own work, so it's acceptable
Quote from: LC on April 03, 2017, 09:44:52 PMi personally don't care because it's not like their personal modifications will affect my copyi will never understand this mentality
i'd like to extend this to games as well if you don't mind.it doesn't really matter if he recorded everything over again with his own instruments and voice -- the musical bones remain (mostly) unchanged. I would argue these bones are no different than taking the world that Skyrim was built on and creating new storylines and quests from the ground up in a similar fashion. in fact, i would argue that is more artistically valid than a song cover. i use skyrim because it is the one game i know of that has fantastic mod support.
obviously there are stupid mods out there that don't service the original intent of the artist or further another artist's ideal (such as nude mods for Street Fighter) but something like reediting the original releases or star wars could surely be seen as a fine modification. project m as well.
Quote from: Verbatim on April 03, 2017, 09:51:51 PMQuote from: LC on April 03, 2017, 09:44:52 PMi personally don't care because it's not like their personal modifications will affect my copyi will never understand this mentalityPeople like things to be tailored to them.Modding exists for the same reason we wear clothes that fit.
Yeah. When I watch the Original Trilogy, I typically watch the Despecialized Editions. Not only are scenes cut/changed to better align it to the theatrical versions, but the team painstakingly transforming the VHS/Betamax/Laserdisc film to hi-definition video and making sure scene colors/transitions were consistent.Those are typically the only kind of mods I download, anyway: increasing texture quality and restoring cut content.
Quote from: Aria × Aria on April 03, 2017, 11:01:40 PMYeah. When I watch the Original Trilogy, I typically watch the Despecialized Editions. Not only are scenes cut/changed to better align it to the theatrical versions, but the team painstakingly transforming the VHS/Betamax/Laserdisc film to hi-definition video and making sure scene colors/transitions were consistent.Those are typically the only kind of mods I download, anyway: increasing texture quality and restoring cut content.in the case of film, i always like it when a movie captures the era it was created infilm grain is one of those inseparable elements--removing it would only make other imperfections all the more visiblei can sort of get behind adding cut content, but things tend to be cut for good reasons (unless it's executive meddling)
Quote from: Fishcakes on April 03, 2017, 10:53:34 PMQuote from: Verbatim on April 03, 2017, 09:51:51 PMQuote from: LC on April 03, 2017, 09:44:52 PMi personally don't care because it's not like their personal modifications will affect my copyi will never understand this mentalityPeople like things to be tailored to them.Modding exists for the same reason we wear clothes that fit.that doesn't seem healthy to me
There's still film grain. They were captured on film, and film has an insane resolution (because not digital). VHS/Betamax/Laserdisc, however, don't have a great resolution. The transformation was to try and retain quality while stretching the tapes out to 1080p. I'd argue that it makes it closer to the theatrical release than the home release in terms of fidelity, but that's just an arguing point and not a legitimate consideration.
Quote from: Verbatim on April 03, 2017, 11:10:32 PMQuote from: Fishcakes on April 03, 2017, 10:53:34 PMQuote from: Verbatim on April 03, 2017, 09:51:51 PMQuote from: LC on April 03, 2017, 09:44:52 PMi personally don't care because it's not like their personal modifications will affect my copyi will never understand this mentalityPeople like things to be tailored to them.Modding exists for the same reason we wear clothes that fit.that doesn't seem healthy to meNeither does eating the diet we evolved to eat, so I can see why you wouldn't understand wearing fitting clothes.
Quote from: Aria × Aria on April 03, 2017, 11:24:38 PMThere's still film grain. They were captured on film, and film has an insane resolution (because not digital). VHS/Betamax/Laserdisc, however, don't have a great resolution. The transformation was to try and retain quality while stretching the tapes out to 1080p. I'd argue that it makes it closer to the theatrical release than the home release in terms of fidelity, but that's just an arguing point and not a legitimate consideration.that would be difficult to argue, given that HD resolutions weren't around in the 70s