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how would you feel about that

would you do it


 
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people already do, i personally don't care because it's not like their personal modifications will affect my copy
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i personally don't care because it's not like their personal modifications will affect my copy
i will never understand this mentality


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Fight Club but the script is written by Todd Howard and George Lucas


 
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Fight Club but the script is written by Todd Howard and George Lucas
that's not really how i imagined it working

the mods would be made from scratch, just like they are for games

so unless you had access to todd howard or george lucas, this couldn't happen


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Oh hell yeah, I'd mod tron using updated graphics, I'd fix scenes in X3, make characters die at more meaningful times.

If I could fix all the things I don't like about the stories I love, I would.


 
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Oh hell yeah, I'd mod tron using updated graphics, I'd fix scenes in X3, make characters die at more meaningful times.

If I could fix all the things I don't like about the stories I love, I would.
then do you really love the story?
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I've never really been into mods for my games, so I don't have much of an opinion on that. However, modifying movies/shows is something while I wont say you can't do, I will say you shouldn't. Ultimately what one person does with their copy is their business, so long as they realize they're admitting what they're doing is only a benefit to themselves.

There's a regular on /a/ who has taken it upon himself to redo the entire NGE series that was released on Blu-ray several years ago. Normally this wouldn't bother me; if some asshole wants to destroy his $300 copy he's more than welcome to. However he then releases it to the public claiming it's the "Definitive" version that fixes the "color mistakes made during the remaster process".

Here is one individual going over the original creators process of remastering NGE for Blu-ray:



I find it insulting how some dipshit who literally played around with the coloring on his copy during his free time claims that the 40+ hours an episode that was worked on just color was a mistake. It's a huge middle finger to the creators who really busted their ass to release a twenty year old title on Blu-ray for the first time for their fans, just to have some guy metaphorically spit in their face and say he can do it better.


 
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I've never really been into mods for my games, so I don't have much of an opinion on that. However, modifying movies/shows is something while I wont say you can't do, I will say you shouldn't. Ultimately what one person does with their copy is their business, so long as they realize they're admitting what they're doing is only a benefit to themselves.

There's a regular on /a/ who has taken it upon himself to redo the entire NGE series that was released on Blu-ray several years ago. Normally this wouldn't bother me; if some asshole wants to destroy his $300 copy he's more than welcome to. However he then releases it to the public claiming it's the "Definitive" version that fixes the "color mistakes made during the remaster process".

Here is one individual going over the original creators process of remastering NGE for Blu-ray:



I find it insulting how some dipshit who literally played around with the coloring on his copy during his free time claims that the 40+ hours an episode that was worked on just color was a mistake. It's a huge middle finger to the creators who really busted their ass to release a twenty year old title on Blu-ray for the first time for their fans, just to have some guy metaphorically spit in their face and say he can do it better.
see, this is exactly how i feel, but i just apply the same principle to games as well

the more i think about it, the more difficult it is for me to understand why nobody else feels the same way

so i was sitting down and this analogy came to mind--people get offended as fuck when people screw around with their favorite movies, yet screwing around with games is not only acceptable, but encouraged by literally everybody

as an appreciator of all forms of art, and someone who believes that it should all remain untouched, this phenomenon is bizarre to me
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Oh hell yeah, I'd mod tron using updated graphics, I'd fix scenes in X3, make characters die at more meaningful times.

If I could fix all the things I don't like about the stories I love, I would.
then do you really love the story?
yes

Just like I love my family, even though there are things I don't like about them.
And if I didn't want to change anything about them, then I wouldn't spend so much time talking to them and trying to change their minds. If I could just do it, like making a mod, it would be a load off of me emotionally.


 
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how are mods any different from a song cover? is trent reznor spitting in the face of ian curtist when he records dead souls? is he metaphorically claiming that he's better, or is he just paying homage to an artist he admires by adding his own spin.


 
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Oh hell yeah, I'd mod tron using updated graphics, I'd fix scenes in X3, make characters die at more meaningful times.

If I could fix all the things I don't like about the stories I love, I would.
then do you really love the story?
yes

Just like I love my family, even though there are things I don't like about them.
And if I didn't want to change anything about them, then I wouldn't spend so much time talking to them and trying to change their minds. If I could just do it, like making a mod, it would be a load off of me emotionally.
we disagree on what love means

i also don't categorize love for art with love for family


 
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how are mods any different from a song cover? is trent reznor spitting in the face of ian curtist when he records dead souls? is he metaphorically claiming that he's better than ian curtis, or is he just paying homage to an artist he admires by adding his own spin.
not really what i had in mind

a better comparison would be if trent recorded his vocals over the instrumental of the original song--that would be bad--but even then, that's a stretch, because that's basically just karaoke

the best example of what i'm talking about here is if trent took the original song and just sprinkled a few MLG airhorn noises haphazardly throughout the track--that would be analagous to a "mod"

but no, it's that the entire song was rebuilt from the ground up with his flavoring that makes it his own work, so it's acceptable


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As I said before, I can't vouch for game modders I can only try to understand the thought process. Even under the scenario of the guy manipulating his copy of NGE on BD, it wasn't a problem to me until it was labeled as superior to what Studio Khara put out.

I'm pretty sure no one gives a shit if you mod your copy of whatever, half the time we'll never know cause you don't have to let anyone know you're even doing it. And I doubt even content creators wouldn't care if they knew you were sharing it with your friends and whatnot, it's just the principle of the thing more often than not. I'm sure modders just wanted to get even more out of their game than what was originally intended, but in the case of movies/shows I don't see how you can get more out of trying to "fix" what other people have worked long hours for months to achieve.

see, this is exactly how i feel, but i just apply the same principle to games as well

the more i think about it, the more difficult it is for me to understand why nobody else feels the same way

so i was sitting down and this analogy came to mind--people get offended as fuck when people screw around with their favorite movies, yet screwing around with games is not only acceptable, but encouraged by literally everybody

as an appreciator of all forms of art, and someone who believes that it should all remain untouched, this phenomenon is bizarre to me


 
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how are mods any different from a song cover? is trent reznor spitting in the face of ian curtist when he records dead souls? is he metaphorically claiming that he's better than ian curtis, or is he just paying homage to an artist he admires by adding his own spin.
not really what i had in mind

a better comparison would be if trent recorded his vocals over the instrumental of the original song--that would be bad--but even then, that's a stretch, because that's basically just karaoke

the best example of what i'm talking about here is if trent took the original song and just sprinkled a few MLG airhorn noises haphazardly throughout the track--that would be analagous to a "mod"

but no, it's that the entire song was rebuilt from the ground up with his flavoring that makes it his own work, so it's acceptable

i'd like to extend this to games as well if you don't mind.

it doesn't really matter if he recorded everything over again with his own instruments and voice -- the musical bones remain (mostly) unchanged. I would argue these bones are no different than taking the world that Skyrim was built on and creating new storylines and quests from the ground up in a similar fashion. in fact, i would argue that is more artistically valid than a song cover. i use skyrim because it is the one game i know of that has fantastic mod support.

obviously there are stupid mods out there that don't service the original intent of the artist or further another artist's ideal (such as nude mods for Street Fighter) but something like reediting the original releases or star wars could surely be seen as a fine modification. project m as well.


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i personally don't care because it's not like their personal modifications will affect my copy
i will never understand this mentality
People like things to be tailored to them.

Modding exists for the same reason we wear clothes that fit.


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Yeah. When I watch the Original Trilogy, I typically watch the Despecialized Editions. Not only are scenes cut/changed to better align it to the theatrical versions, but the team painstakingly transforming the VHS/Betamax/Laserdisc film to hi-definition video and making sure scene colors/transitions were consistent.

Those are typically the only kind of mods I download, anyway: increasing texture quality and restoring cut content.


 
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i'd like to extend this to games as well if you don't mind.

it doesn't really matter if he recorded everything over again with his own instruments and voice -- the musical bones remain (mostly) unchanged. I would argue these bones are no different than taking the world that Skyrim was built on and creating new storylines and quests from the ground up in a similar fashion. in fact, i would argue that is more artistically valid than a song cover. i use skyrim because it is the one game i know of that has fantastic mod support.
i really don't like that analogy, but then again, we're talking about and comparing two wildly different mediums

the "bones" of a song are really only comparable to a game's engine, in my mind

this is why i don't care about games like counterstrike, even though the entire game is a mod
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obviously there are stupid mods out there that don't service the original intent of the artist or further another artist's ideal (such as nude mods for Street Fighter) but something like reediting the original releases or star wars could surely be seen as a fine modification. project m as well.
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i personally don't care because it's not like their personal modifications will affect my copy
i will never understand this mentality
People like things to be tailored to them.

Modding exists for the same reason we wear clothes that fit.
that doesn't seem healthy to me


 
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Yeah. When I watch the Original Trilogy, I typically watch the Despecialized Editions. Not only are scenes cut/changed to better align it to the theatrical versions, but the team painstakingly transforming the VHS/Betamax/Laserdisc film to hi-definition video and making sure scene colors/transitions were consistent.

Those are typically the only kind of mods I download, anyway: increasing texture quality and restoring cut content.
in the case of film, i always like it when a movie captures the era it was created in

film grain is one of those inseparable elements--removing it would only make other imperfections all the more visible

i can sort of get behind adding cut content, but things tend to be cut for good reasons (unless it's executive meddling)
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Yeah. When I watch the Original Trilogy, I typically watch the Despecialized Editions. Not only are scenes cut/changed to better align it to the theatrical versions, but the team painstakingly transforming the VHS/Betamax/Laserdisc film to hi-definition video and making sure scene colors/transitions were consistent.

Those are typically the only kind of mods I download, anyway: increasing texture quality and restoring cut content.
in the case of film, i always like it when a movie captures the era it was created in

film grain is one of those inseparable elements--removing it would only make other imperfections all the more visible

i can sort of get behind adding cut content, but things tend to be cut for good reasons (unless it's executive meddling)
There's still film grain. They were captured on film, and film has an insane resolution (because not digital). VHS/Betamax/Laserdisc, however, don't have a great resolution. The transformation was to try and retain quality while stretching the tapes out to 1080p. I'd argue that it makes it closer to the theatrical release than the home release in terms of fidelity, but that's just an arguing point and not a legitimate consideration.

And a lot of content gets cut due to executive meddling, both in film and games (even more so games). The entire reason fans can restore that content is because entire assets (models, voiced dialogue, code) are left in the game, just in an unused state.


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i personally don't care because it's not like their personal modifications will affect my copy
i will never understand this mentality
People like things to be tailored to them.

Modding exists for the same reason we wear clothes that fit.
that doesn't seem healthy to me
Neither does eating the diet we evolved to eat, so I can see why you wouldn't understand wearing fitting clothes.


 
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There's still film grain. They were captured on film, and film has an insane resolution (because not digital). VHS/Betamax/Laserdisc, however, don't have a great resolution. The transformation was to try and retain quality while stretching the tapes out to 1080p. I'd argue that it makes it closer to the theatrical release than the home release in terms of fidelity, but that's just an arguing point and not a legitimate consideration.
that would be difficult to argue, given that HD resolutions weren't around in the 70s


 
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i personally don't care because it's not like their personal modifications will affect my copy
i will never understand this mentality
People like things to be tailored to them.

Modding exists for the same reason we wear clothes that fit.
that doesn't seem healthy to me
Neither does eating the diet we evolved to eat, so I can see why you wouldn't understand wearing fitting clothes.
No, I just don't understand why everything must be tailored to you people
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His eyebrows sparkling, his white beard hangs down to his chest. The thatched mats, spread outside his chise, spread softly, his splendid attos. He polishes, cross-legged, his makiri, with his eyes completely absorbed.

He is Ainu.

The god of Ainu Mosir, Ae-Oine Kamuy, descendant of Okiku-Rumi, He perishes, a living corpse. The summers day, the white sunlight, unabrushed, ends simply through his breath alone.
There's still film grain. They were captured on film, and film has an insane resolution (because not digital). VHS/Betamax/Laserdisc, however, don't have a great resolution. The transformation was to try and retain quality while stretching the tapes out to 1080p. I'd argue that it makes it closer to the theatrical release than the home release in terms of fidelity, but that's just an arguing point and not a legitimate consideration.
that would be difficult to argue, given that HD resolutions weren't around in the 70s
Right, but film quality is dependent on the optics used and the film-grain. Many films shot before the digital revolution are very high resolution, typically higher than digital. You just wouldn't have been able to tell by watching a VHS copy because it wouldn't have to been able to fit on a cassette with cheap magnetic tape. It's like if you bought a game that had four discs, but you had the option to play a lower fidelity version on one disc.
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