Quote from: SoporificSlash on September 10, 2015, 12:39:09 PMI don't think the government did it themselves however I speculate that they did know that it was going to happen and didn't want to stop it because that was the excuse they needed to go to war and war = profit.Well that's what happened in WWII at Pearl Harbor.
I don't think the government did it themselves however I speculate that they did know that it was going to happen and didn't want to stop it because that was the excuse they needed to go to war and war = profit.
Quote from: Ascended Souls on September 10, 2015, 03:54:15 PMQuote from: HurtfulTurkey on September 10, 2015, 03:51:20 PMQuote from: Ascended Souls on September 10, 2015, 03:42:35 PMThey could have nuked key military bases but instead attacked cities.Hiroshima and Nagasaki were key military targets. Military bases aren't just isolated in the middle of nowhere; they have cities built around them.Would it have not been a more humane idea to destroy the military bases specifically with missiles rather than nuking the shit out of it?That wasn't the point. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were used to demonstrate what the United States' new wonder weapon was capable of.
Quote from: HurtfulTurkey on September 10, 2015, 03:51:20 PMQuote from: Ascended Souls on September 10, 2015, 03:42:35 PMThey could have nuked key military bases but instead attacked cities.Hiroshima and Nagasaki were key military targets. Military bases aren't just isolated in the middle of nowhere; they have cities built around them.Would it have not been a more humane idea to destroy the military bases specifically with missiles rather than nuking the shit out of it?
Quote from: Ascended Souls on September 10, 2015, 03:42:35 PMThey could have nuked key military bases but instead attacked cities.Hiroshima and Nagasaki were key military targets. Military bases aren't just isolated in the middle of nowhere; they have cities built around them.
They could have nuked key military bases but instead attacked cities.
Quote from: Ascended Souls on September 10, 2015, 03:54:15 PMQuote from: HurtfulTurkey on September 10, 2015, 03:51:20 PMQuote from: Ascended Souls on September 10, 2015, 03:42:35 PMThey could have nuked key military bases but instead attacked cities.Hiroshima and Nagasaki were key military targets. Military bases aren't just isolated in the middle of nowhere; they have cities built around them.Would it have not been a more humane idea to destroy the military bases specifically with missiles rather than nuking the shit out of it?>missiles>WWIIWhy didn't they use smaller bombs, then? They did. They firebombed Tokyo to ash and it didn't work. The nukes were a display of force necessary to yield a surrender.
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Quote from: Liquid Lime on September 10, 2015, 03:56:34 PMQuote from: Ascended Souls on September 10, 2015, 03:54:15 PMQuote from: HurtfulTurkey on September 10, 2015, 03:51:20 PMQuote from: Ascended Souls on September 10, 2015, 03:42:35 PMThey could have nuked key military bases but instead attacked cities.Hiroshima and Nagasaki were key military targets. Military bases aren't just isolated in the middle of nowhere; they have cities built around them.Would it have not been a more humane idea to destroy the military bases specifically with missiles rather than nuking the shit out of it?That wasn't the point. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were used to demonstrate what the United States' new wonder weapon was capable of.Exactly.
Quote from: HurtfulTurkey on September 10, 2015, 04:00:57 PMQuote from: Ascended Souls on September 10, 2015, 03:54:15 PMQuote from: HurtfulTurkey on September 10, 2015, 03:51:20 PMQuote from: Ascended Souls on September 10, 2015, 03:42:35 PMThey could have nuked key military bases but instead attacked cities.Hiroshima and Nagasaki were key military targets. Military bases aren't just isolated in the middle of nowhere; they have cities built around them.Would it have not been a more humane idea to destroy the military bases specifically with missiles rather than nuking the shit out of it?>missiles>WWIIWhy didn't they use smaller bombs, then? They did. They firebombed Tokyo to ash and it didn't work. The nukes were a display of force necessary to yield a surrender.But Japan had no allies. Its navy was basically destroyed, its islands were under a naval blockade and as you said, they were already performing intense bombings across cities. Surely a surrender was coming.
Quote from: Ascended Souls on September 10, 2015, 04:11:59 PMQuote from: HurtfulTurkey on September 10, 2015, 04:00:57 PMQuote from: Ascended Souls on September 10, 2015, 03:54:15 PMQuote from: HurtfulTurkey on September 10, 2015, 03:51:20 PMQuote from: Ascended Souls on September 10, 2015, 03:42:35 PMThey could have nuked key military bases but instead attacked cities.Hiroshima and Nagasaki were key military targets. Military bases aren't just isolated in the middle of nowhere; they have cities built around them.Would it have not been a more humane idea to destroy the military bases specifically with missiles rather than nuking the shit out of it?>missiles>WWIIWhy didn't they use smaller bombs, then? They did. They firebombed Tokyo to ash and it didn't work. The nukes were a display of force necessary to yield a surrender.But Japan had no allies. Its navy was basically destroyed, its islands were under a naval blockade and as you said, they were already performing intense bombings across cities. Surely a surrender was coming.LOL
Quote from: Ascended Souls on September 10, 2015, 04:11:59 PMQuote from: HurtfulTurkey on September 10, 2015, 04:00:57 PMQuote from: Ascended Souls on September 10, 2015, 03:54:15 PMQuote from: HurtfulTurkey on September 10, 2015, 03:51:20 PMQuote from: Ascended Souls on September 10, 2015, 03:42:35 PMThey could have nuked key military bases but instead attacked cities.Hiroshima and Nagasaki were key military targets. Military bases aren't just isolated in the middle of nowhere; they have cities built around them.Would it have not been a more humane idea to destroy the military bases specifically with missiles rather than nuking the shit out of it?>missiles>WWIIWhy didn't they use smaller bombs, then? They did. They firebombed Tokyo to ash and it didn't work. The nukes were a display of force necessary to yield a surrender.But Japan had no allies. Its navy was basically destroyed, its islands were under a naval blockade and as you said, they were already performing intense bombings across cities. Surely a surrender was coming.Japan's entire philosophy at the time was fighting to the last man. Fuck no, they wouldn't have surrendered.On the other hand, it's hard to say if they would have surrendered after the first atom bomb fell. They only had three days to consider before Nagasaki happened.
Quote from: Ascended Souls on September 10, 2015, 04:11:59 PMQuote from: HurtfulTurkey on September 10, 2015, 04:00:57 PMQuote from: Ascended Souls on September 10, 2015, 03:54:15 PMQuote from: HurtfulTurkey on September 10, 2015, 03:51:20 PMQuote from: Ascended Souls on September 10, 2015, 03:42:35 PMThey could have nuked key military bases but instead attacked cities.Hiroshima and Nagasaki were key military targets. Military bases aren't just isolated in the middle of nowhere; they have cities built around them.Would it have not been a more humane idea to destroy the military bases specifically with missiles rather than nuking the shit out of it?>missiles>WWIIWhy didn't they use smaller bombs, then? They did. They firebombed Tokyo to ash and it didn't work. The nukes were a display of force necessary to yield a surrender.But Japan had no allies. Its navy was basically destroyed, its islands were under a naval blockade and as you said, they were already performing intense bombings across cities. Surely a surrender was coming.Yeah, there are so many quotes from politicians saying Japan would've surrendered. After the Dresden bombings, surely Japan would surrender.After their allies Germany and Italy surrendered, surely Japan would surrender.After the U.S. firebombed Tokyo and dozens of other cities, surely Japan was ready to surrender.After the blockade and defeat of the Japanese navy, then Japan was obviously just about to surrender.After the warnings of imminent destruction, Japan definitely was right on the brink of surrendering.After the first nuclear weapon was used against them, Japan was literally days away from surrendering. After the second nuke was used, it took Japan a week and a half to announce their surrender. Their culture was one that would have willingly died for no reason at all, if the emperor asked. The people begged the emperor to surrender because they feared for his life, not because they didn't want to die themselves.
Japan wanted to surrender. Hirohito was advised multiple times to surrender. The emperor was a delusional fool that refused to admit defeat. Without nukes, it was extremely likely for Japan to surrender before the invasion planned on November 1st.
Quote from: Winy on September 10, 2015, 02:08:00 PMQuote from: Ascended Souls on September 10, 2015, 02:02:52 PMQuote from: Winy on September 10, 2015, 01:50:36 PMQuoteI also showed you a video on thermite reactions to compare it to the image. It looks pretty similar. Perhaps thermite charges were placed around key points in the buildings structure?The "motherfucking plane on fire" as you so eloquently put it could have ignited the thermite.You posted a fucking still-framed image of sparks coming out of a burning building that had just been hit with an airliner. WHOA MUST BE THERMITE, BECAUSE THERMITE ALSO SPARKSTimestamp says 9:52am on the image. The planes hit at 9:03am. This was a good 55 minutes after the planes hit.Pretty sure long after a plane impact, let alone under an hour, various things can continue to break, bend, spark, and cripple under the stress of the impact and damage. This is a plane we're talking about. A 767, filled with electronics, fuel, and various other flammable substances, crashing into a building filled with wires, things with wires, and mechanical parts. You have zero experience with this type of forensics. It's completely out of your league. It's out of mine, too, but I'm very sure that every materials scientist or chemist would be blowing their load at the sight of these pictures if it was so obviously the work of thermite. I'm pretty sure you're just messing with me, honestly.I'm not saying that it was thermite, but it looks like it. Did you even watch the video I posted? Thermite burns for a long, long time if it has a lot of metal to eat through.And yeah, no, I'm not messing with you. So sorry for having a different perspective.
Quote from: Ascended Souls on September 10, 2015, 02:02:52 PMQuote from: Winy on September 10, 2015, 01:50:36 PMQuoteI also showed you a video on thermite reactions to compare it to the image. It looks pretty similar. Perhaps thermite charges were placed around key points in the buildings structure?The "motherfucking plane on fire" as you so eloquently put it could have ignited the thermite.You posted a fucking still-framed image of sparks coming out of a burning building that had just been hit with an airliner. WHOA MUST BE THERMITE, BECAUSE THERMITE ALSO SPARKSTimestamp says 9:52am on the image. The planes hit at 9:03am. This was a good 55 minutes after the planes hit.Pretty sure long after a plane impact, let alone under an hour, various things can continue to break, bend, spark, and cripple under the stress of the impact and damage. This is a plane we're talking about. A 767, filled with electronics, fuel, and various other flammable substances, crashing into a building filled with wires, things with wires, and mechanical parts. You have zero experience with this type of forensics. It's completely out of your league. It's out of mine, too, but I'm very sure that every materials scientist or chemist would be blowing their load at the sight of these pictures if it was so obviously the work of thermite. I'm pretty sure you're just messing with me, honestly.
Quote from: Winy on September 10, 2015, 01:50:36 PMQuoteI also showed you a video on thermite reactions to compare it to the image. It looks pretty similar. Perhaps thermite charges were placed around key points in the buildings structure?The "motherfucking plane on fire" as you so eloquently put it could have ignited the thermite.You posted a fucking still-framed image of sparks coming out of a burning building that had just been hit with an airliner. WHOA MUST BE THERMITE, BECAUSE THERMITE ALSO SPARKSTimestamp says 9:52am on the image. The planes hit at 9:03am. This was a good 55 minutes after the planes hit.
QuoteI also showed you a video on thermite reactions to compare it to the image. It looks pretty similar. Perhaps thermite charges were placed around key points in the buildings structure?The "motherfucking plane on fire" as you so eloquently put it could have ignited the thermite.You posted a fucking still-framed image of sparks coming out of a burning building that had just been hit with an airliner. WHOA MUST BE THERMITE, BECAUSE THERMITE ALSO SPARKS
I also showed you a video on thermite reactions to compare it to the image. It looks pretty similar. Perhaps thermite charges were placed around key points in the buildings structure?The "motherfucking plane on fire" as you so eloquently put it could have ignited the thermite.
Quote from: Ascended Souls on September 10, 2015, 02:16:41 PMQuote from: Winy on September 10, 2015, 02:08:00 PMQuote from: Ascended Souls on September 10, 2015, 02:02:52 PMQuote from: Winy on September 10, 2015, 01:50:36 PMQuoteI also showed you a video on thermite reactions to compare it to the image. It looks pretty similar. Perhaps thermite charges were placed around key points in the buildings structure?The "motherfucking plane on fire" as you so eloquently put it could have ignited the thermite.You posted a fucking still-framed image of sparks coming out of a burning building that had just been hit with an airliner. WHOA MUST BE THERMITE, BECAUSE THERMITE ALSO SPARKSTimestamp says 9:52am on the image. The planes hit at 9:03am. This was a good 55 minutes after the planes hit.Pretty sure long after a plane impact, let alone under an hour, various things can continue to break, bend, spark, and cripple under the stress of the impact and damage. This is a plane we're talking about. A 767, filled with electronics, fuel, and various other flammable substances, crashing into a building filled with wires, things with wires, and mechanical parts. You have zero experience with this type of forensics. It's completely out of your league. It's out of mine, too, but I'm very sure that every materials scientist or chemist would be blowing their load at the sight of these pictures if it was so obviously the work of thermite. I'm pretty sure you're just messing with me, honestly.I'm not saying that it was thermite, but it looks like it. Did you even watch the video I posted? Thermite burns for a long, long time if it has a lot of metal to eat through.And yeah, no, I'm not messing with you. So sorry for having a different perspective.Your perspective is ridiculous, and it's incredibly easy to demonstrate why. You don't very likely don't "Know a little about thermite reactions" anymore than any other person in this thread. What credentials do you have? Are you a chemist? A materials scientist? And how could you possibly support such a ridiculous idea that nobody else, specifically experts in the fields required to analyze this type of destruction, seems to be a proponent of? Your supposedly fantastic and convincing video shows a chemical reaction where, big surprise, something burns for an extended period of time. So would a building and the various different materials in it that just got rammed into by a 150-ton fuselage of jet fuel and electronics. Playing "Devil's advocate" doesn't negate that what you're saying is beyond stupid, and you are continuing to defend it.
what actually happened still remains unclear
Quote from: Winy on September 10, 2015, 06:22:26 PMQuote from: Ascended Souls on September 10, 2015, 02:16:41 PMQuote from: Winy on September 10, 2015, 02:08:00 PMQuote from: Ascended Souls on September 10, 2015, 02:02:52 PMQuote from: Winy on September 10, 2015, 01:50:36 PMQuoteI also showed you a video on thermite reactions to compare it to the image. It looks pretty similar. Perhaps thermite charges were placed around key points in the buildings structure?The "motherfucking plane on fire" as you so eloquently put it could have ignited the thermite.You posted a fucking still-framed image of sparks coming out of a burning building that had just been hit with an airliner. WHOA MUST BE THERMITE, BECAUSE THERMITE ALSO SPARKSTimestamp says 9:52am on the image. The planes hit at 9:03am. This was a good 55 minutes after the planes hit.Pretty sure long after a plane impact, let alone under an hour, various things can continue to break, bend, spark, and cripple under the stress of the impact and damage. This is a plane we're talking about. A 767, filled with electronics, fuel, and various other flammable substances, crashing into a building filled with wires, things with wires, and mechanical parts. You have zero experience with this type of forensics. It's completely out of your league. It's out of mine, too, but I'm very sure that every materials scientist or chemist would be blowing their load at the sight of these pictures if it was so obviously the work of thermite. I'm pretty sure you're just messing with me, honestly.I'm not saying that it was thermite, but it looks like it. Did you even watch the video I posted? Thermite burns for a long, long time if it has a lot of metal to eat through.And yeah, no, I'm not messing with you. So sorry for having a different perspective.Your perspective is ridiculous, and it's incredibly easy to demonstrate why. You don't very likely don't "Know a little about thermite reactions" anymore than any other person in this thread. What credentials do you have? Are you a chemist? A materials scientist? And how could you possibly support such a ridiculous idea that nobody else, specifically experts in the fields required to analyze this type of destruction, seems to be a proponent of? Your supposedly fantastic and convincing video shows a chemical reaction where, big surprise, something burns for an extended period of time. So would a building and the various different materials in it that just got rammed into by a 150-ton fuselage of jet fuel and electronics. Playing "Devil's advocate" doesn't negate that what you're saying is beyond stupid, and you are continuing to defend it.It was already debunked and I stopped defending it, so you can just go ahead and kindly drop it, thanks.
Quote from: Ascended Souls on September 10, 2015, 06:27:25 PMQuote from: Winy on September 10, 2015, 06:22:26 PMQuote from: Ascended Souls on September 10, 2015, 02:16:41 PMQuote from: Winy on September 10, 2015, 02:08:00 PMQuote from: Ascended Souls on September 10, 2015, 02:02:52 PMQuote from: Winy on September 10, 2015, 01:50:36 PMQuoteI also showed you a video on thermite reactions to compare it to the image. It looks pretty similar. Perhaps thermite charges were placed around key points in the buildings structure?The "motherfucking plane on fire" as you so eloquently put it could have ignited the thermite.You posted a fucking still-framed image of sparks coming out of a burning building that had just been hit with an airliner. WHOA MUST BE THERMITE, BECAUSE THERMITE ALSO SPARKSTimestamp says 9:52am on the image. The planes hit at 9:03am. This was a good 55 minutes after the planes hit.Pretty sure long after a plane impact, let alone under an hour, various things can continue to break, bend, spark, and cripple under the stress of the impact and damage. This is a plane we're talking about. A 767, filled with electronics, fuel, and various other flammable substances, crashing into a building filled with wires, things with wires, and mechanical parts. You have zero experience with this type of forensics. It's completely out of your league. It's out of mine, too, but I'm very sure that every materials scientist or chemist would be blowing their load at the sight of these pictures if it was so obviously the work of thermite. I'm pretty sure you're just messing with me, honestly.I'm not saying that it was thermite, but it looks like it. Did you even watch the video I posted? Thermite burns for a long, long time if it has a lot of metal to eat through.And yeah, no, I'm not messing with you. So sorry for having a different perspective.Your perspective is ridiculous, and it's incredibly easy to demonstrate why. You don't very likely don't "Know a little about thermite reactions" anymore than any other person in this thread. What credentials do you have? Are you a chemist? A materials scientist? And how could you possibly support such a ridiculous idea that nobody else, specifically experts in the fields required to analyze this type of destruction, seems to be a proponent of? Your supposedly fantastic and convincing video shows a chemical reaction where, big surprise, something burns for an extended period of time. So would a building and the various different materials in it that just got rammed into by a 150-ton fuselage of jet fuel and electronics. Playing "Devil's advocate" doesn't negate that what you're saying is beyond stupid, and you are continuing to defend it.It was already debunked and I stopped defending it, so you can just go ahead and kindly drop it, thanks.lolIt was debunked on the first page.
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