Yes, business owners should be allowed to deny services to gays

 
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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
For the same reason they should be allowed to deny services to Nazis. Of course, the latter example is much more understandable. Nazis are - rightly - universally reviled for their largely disgusting creed. It's completely reasonable for a business owner to want to deny goods and services to these people, based on their sentiments.

If we allow this to be true then it seems prudent they should also be allowed to deny services to gays - or anybody else for that matter. I think it'd be objectively immoral to do so, but it isn't my job to lobby the government to enforce morality. It's also not really the governments job, in my mind, to promote such forms of morality.

That isn't to say, however, that these people should be excused. We, as consumers, ought to take a bit of responsibility and don a bit of self-reliance, and make these people incur the financial costs. Spread the word, protest, tell people that the owners are bigoted. If people still go to this service, and they remain in business then tough shit, really. It isn't your place to compel anyone to not receive services from such a place for such a reason.

But, what we don't do is cry to the government and get some fucking pointless law signed into being for the sake of "progress" and "justice".


 
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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
Employment is different though.
I'm divided, to be honest.


 
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emigrate or degenerate. the choice is yours
I agree to an extent. The free market dictates that the alienation of their consumers will more than likely drive their business into the ground anyway.


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Last Edit: December 08, 2014, 06:58:12 PM by challengerX


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Denying anybody service because of their beliefs is wrong.
And it should be up to the consumers to show them how wrong they are.
In other words, put them out of business. Set social standards without having to get the law involved.
That's against everything America and all other Western nations stand for.

What if you're a minority in a town of white people? You can't get a bottle of water because they don't want to serve you (apart from the degradation and humiliation of that), you have nobody who will rally with you to bring the place down financially because all the other white folks keep going.

No. Hell no. We just got rid of this shit half a century ago and you want to bring it back? What's next, segregated schools and water fountains?
>tfw you can order a case of water on amazon

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At the core of the argument, I must agree, but, seeing as how we don't allow stores to discriminate it's customer base by race, religion, or gender, this would be one rare moment of "all or nothing" logic that I support in not allowing discrimination of customers by sexual orientation.


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We always say to fight fire, you must use fire. This is wrong. Fighting fire with fire will leave scars and a new flame will rise. We must instead use water. It is the opposite of fire, it extinguishes the fire, it cools, it refreshes, it heals. We are made up of 70% water, we are not made up of 70% fire. Please practice what we truly are
You are a fool if you deny someone service just because of harmless practices such as being a gay or lesbian. All you do is hurt your wallet.


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For the same reason they should be allowed to deny services to Nazis.
I disagree. Being a Nazi is a choice. Being gay isn't.

They shouldn't allowed to deny service for the same reason.


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Part of me agrees that businesses should be allowed to deny service to customers for any reason. The other acknowledges how fucking retarded some communities are, and it's very likely that segregated parts of town will develop based on what businesses serve what customers.


 
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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
and it's very likely that segregated parts of town will develop based on what businesses serve what customers.
Do you think segregation could've occurred as seriously as it did without the Jim Crow laws?

The government cares not for morality. It's only interest is pleasing the loudest voice. Segregation isn't sustainable without government support.


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and it's very likely that segregated parts of town will develop based on what businesses serve what customers.
Do you think segregation could've occurred as seriously as it did without the Jim Crow laws?
Honestly, I have no idea. I don't know a whole lot about the time period.


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Part of me agrees that businesses should be allowed to deny service to customers for any reason. The other acknowledges how fucking retarded some communities are, and it's very likely that segregated parts of town will develop based on what businesses serve what customers.
But that's kind of why we have the ability to set laws by city/state.
If things get out of hand, that's where the law steps in. If local law is being unreasonable, then you take it to the state level.
How do you legislate that, though? It's okay if only (x) number of businesses do it?


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But they are allowed to do that...


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But they are allowed to do that...
Unfortunately..

I think we need to amend some shit to include discrimination based on sexual orientation.

edit: woo! pink!
Last Edit: December 08, 2014, 07:53:17 PM by Mad Max