I don't see the argument that suicide hurts those around you to be valid. I think you should condemn suicide for the same reason you would condemn cutting, binge eating, bulimia, or addiction -- that is, because it comes from an illness.
Muslims do it, so. LOL But honestly, it doesn't solve anything. Everything just ceases to exist, that's not a solution. There's always an out. But I can understand some people that go through with it.
The only argument I have against it is that giving some unlucky driver a nightmare experience is pretty shitty.Otherwise, I have no argument against it. If someone does not want to be alive anymore, no one else has the right to tell them they have to be.
Quote from: Bacon on November 20, 2015, 07:14:27 PMThe only argument I have against it is that giving some unlucky driver a nightmare experience is pretty shitty.Otherwise, I have no argument against it. If someone does not want to be alive anymore, no one else has the right to tell them they have to be.Well, that's where things get sketchy, a bit. Right or no, people will act for those they care for. And certainly, tell them to stick around. I agree about messy suicides though.
Living's nicer?Seriously, life can suck but has good as well as bad, with proportionally more good if you know what you're doing. Hell, you don't even have to know what you're doing and life can be fine.It's also finite. Death, whether or not you subscribe to the belief that there is an afterlife, is eternal. Eternal nothingness because you physically don't exist anymore is a pretty shitty end, and eternal paradise, isn't, because that's not possible. It's like eating your favourite food every day, watching your favourite movie every day, listening to your favourite song every day, forever. (I don't think I need to go into details with Hell here...). Making the most of the relatively already short time you have existing on this plane is worth it even if you believe your life is shit.
Quote from: Sandtrap on November 20, 2015, 07:19:30 PMQuote from: Bacon on November 20, 2015, 07:14:27 PMThe only argument I have against it is that giving some unlucky driver a nightmare experience is pretty shitty.Otherwise, I have no argument against it. If someone does not want to be alive anymore, no one else has the right to tell them they have to be.Well, that's where things get sketchy, a bit. Right or no, people will act for those they care for. And certainly, tell them to stick around. I agree about messy suicides though.I'm more going into how suicide/ attempted/ assisted suicide is illegal and more the 'suicide is for cowards' mentality some people have. Or the mentality that someone who does commit suicide should be demonised for not wanting to live a shitty existence just so their family/ friends don't get a bit sad.
Quote from: SuperIrish on November 20, 2015, 03:11:50 PMLiving's nicer?Seriously, life can suck but has good as well as bad, with proportionally more good if you know what you're doing. Hell, you don't even have to know what you're doing and life can be fine.It's also finite. Death, whether or not you subscribe to the belief that there is an afterlife, is eternal. Eternal nothingness because you physically don't exist anymore is a pretty shitty end, and eternal paradise, isn't, because that's not possible. It's like eating your favourite food every day, watching your favourite movie every day, listening to your favourite song every day, forever. (I don't think I need to go into details with Hell here...). Making the most of the relatively already short time you have existing on this plane is worth it even if you believe your life is shit.You face an end, no matter what you do. And in all likelyhood most people are either going to live lives of medicority or shit, with a small percentage of them being truly content by the time their respective end shows up.Doesn't it seem....I dunno, like a waste of time? Almost like pointless meandering about while you wait for an outcome you can't avoid? Think about it. Enjoying your time while you have it being worth it?How so? Eternal nothing is just that. You're not gonna wallow in some dark room for eternity beating yourself up over how you didn't "enjoy your time." So why beat around the bush, essentially? At the end of the day, your enjoyed time doesn't amount to much if you won't even know you ever had it in the first place.
Quote from: Sandtrap on November 20, 2015, 07:33:35 PMQuote from: SuperIrish on November 20, 2015, 03:11:50 PMLiving's nicer?Seriously, life can suck but has good as well as bad, with proportionally more good if you know what you're doing. Hell, you don't even have to know what you're doing and life can be fine.It's also finite. Death, whether or not you subscribe to the belief that there is an afterlife, is eternal. Eternal nothingness because you physically don't exist anymore is a pretty shitty end, and eternal paradise, isn't, because that's not possible. It's like eating your favourite food every day, watching your favourite movie every day, listening to your favourite song every day, forever. (I don't think I need to go into details with Hell here...). Making the most of the relatively already short time you have existing on this plane is worth it even if you believe your life is shit.You face an end, no matter what you do. And in all likelyhood most people are either going to live lives of medicority or shit, with a small percentage of them being truly content by the time their respective end shows up.Doesn't it seem....I dunno, like a waste of time? Almost like pointless meandering about while you wait for an outcome you can't avoid? Think about it. Enjoying your time while you have it being worth it?How so? Eternal nothing is just that. You're not gonna wallow in some dark room for eternity beating yourself up over how you didn't "enjoy your time." So why beat around the bush, essentially? At the end of the day, your enjoyed time doesn't amount to much if you won't even know you ever had it in the first place.I'd rather know I enjoyed my experience on my deathbed than be suddenly regretting what I wasted in the end if I decided "fuck it all".We'd be a short lived species if we all thought "What's the point?" and just gave up living then and there.
Quote from: SuperIrish on November 20, 2015, 07:41:06 PMQuote from: Sandtrap on November 20, 2015, 07:33:35 PMQuote from: SuperIrish on November 20, 2015, 03:11:50 PMLiving's nicer?Seriously, life can suck but has good as well as bad, with proportionally more good if you know what you're doing. Hell, you don't even have to know what you're doing and life can be fine.It's also finite. Death, whether or not you subscribe to the belief that there is an afterlife, is eternal. Eternal nothingness because you physically don't exist anymore is a pretty shitty end, and eternal paradise, isn't, because that's not possible. It's like eating your favourite food every day, watching your favourite movie every day, listening to your favourite song every day, forever. (I don't think I need to go into details with Hell here...). Making the most of the relatively already short time you have existing on this plane is worth it even if you believe your life is shit.You face an end, no matter what you do. And in all likelyhood most people are either going to live lives of medicority or shit, with a small percentage of them being truly content by the time their respective end shows up.Doesn't it seem....I dunno, like a waste of time? Almost like pointless meandering about while you wait for an outcome you can't avoid? Think about it. Enjoying your time while you have it being worth it?How so? Eternal nothing is just that. You're not gonna wallow in some dark room for eternity beating yourself up over how you didn't "enjoy your time." So why beat around the bush, essentially? At the end of the day, your enjoyed time doesn't amount to much if you won't even know you ever had it in the first place.I'd rather know I enjoyed my experience on my deathbed than be suddenly regretting what I wasted in the end if I decided "fuck it all".We'd be a short lived species if we all thought "What's the point?" and just gave up living then and there.Short lived species or no has nothing to do with anything.
Quote from: RadioactiveTurkey on November 20, 2015, 01:53:37 PMI don't see the argument that suicide hurts those around you to be valid. I think you should condemn suicide for the same reason you would condemn cutting, binge eating, bulimia, or addiction -- that is, because it comes from an illness.Condemn seems like a harsh word for that. You don't condemn people for any of the things you listed.
Quote from: Sandtrap on November 20, 2015, 07:07:09 PMQuote from: RadioactiveTurkey on November 20, 2015, 01:53:37 PMI don't see the argument that suicide hurts those around you to be valid. I think you should condemn suicide for the same reason you would condemn cutting, binge eating, bulimia, or addiction -- that is, because it comes from an illness.Condemn seems like a harsh word for that. You don't condemn people for any of the things you listed.You don't condemn addiction, bulimia, or self harm? I recommend you double check the definition if you think it's harsh.
Quote from: RadioactiveTurkey on November 20, 2015, 09:08:02 PMQuote from: Sandtrap on November 20, 2015, 07:07:09 PMQuote from: RadioactiveTurkey on November 20, 2015, 01:53:37 PMI don't see the argument that suicide hurts those around you to be valid. I think you should condemn suicide for the same reason you would condemn cutting, binge eating, bulimia, or addiction -- that is, because it comes from an illness.Condemn seems like a harsh word for that. You don't condemn people for any of the things you listed.You don't condemn addiction, bulimia, or self harm? I recommend you double check the definition if you think it's harsh.No, I don't condemn. I don't think it should be chastiized. You don't chastize somebody who's addicted, or bulimic, or self harming.You help them. You don't shame the idea or concept of it like some stone age neanderthal. Because people fall into it fairly often, not by choice. Being surrounded by people who are too keen to condemn it, but do fuck all to help it, aren't exactly the best motivators.