It's only a meme because it appeals to autists I guess.

Quote from: The Hidden Gabber on May 26, 2017, 09:27:10 AM

Quote from: Cindy on May 26, 2017, 09:15:57 AM

You can find shit equally as bad if not worse in the Torah and New Testament as you can in the Quran.

Well yeah, but they're not as prevalent.

It's all very good saying religion is shit and that they're all equally violent faiths (which is incorrect), but the fact of the matter is Islam is the slowest kid in the class when it comes to reconciliation of faith with the values of western society.

ISIS and various other Islamic terrorist organisations take the most extremist interpretations of the text that the majority of Muslims do not subscribe to, yes, but that doesn't mean they're not legitimate interpretations.

The "what about X religion as well!" is such a cop out argument. Yeah, Christianity and Judaism contain a slew of disgusting passages, but Christian and Jewish terrorism is not the primary concern right now, is it?

Yes but Christianity and Judaism also aren't the majority religion of pretty much the most unstable areas of the entire world.

Religion is a factor, but it's not the only factor.

Muslims make up about a forth of the entire world's population. If Islam was as radicalizing and horrific as people like to say that it is, we'd know.

See, if you're going to posit the "destabilisation" argument you also need to explain why ISIS and other extremist groups existed before 9/11 and before the invasion of Iraq.

You also need to explain why Islamic immigration produces more problems in developed societies than Christian and Jewish immigration does. Malmö and London, cities which you and I both know aren't exactly poverty stricken shit holes, have seen a rapid increase in homophobic opinions and anti-Semitic behaviour. Have the Swedes and the English suddenly become fervent bigots over the space of a couple years? Or is it more likely that insular Muslim communities have grown larger and more ghettoised?

Nobody is contesting the fact that destabilisation has produced more harm than good in the Middle East, but that's not what we're trying to discuss here, so I'm not entirely sure why you keep bringing it up. We're talking about the social cohesiveness of Muslim populations and the lack thereof, largely due to the values they espouse that originate from the texts of the religion.

Of course you don't, because you don't know the first thing about Islam and assume the Quran just says "kill whities and rape women" for hundreds of pages and then ends.

There are quite a substantial amount of passages about violence and conquering, though.

The sparse peaceful verses that do exist are only superseded by the violent ones, and that's only because the peaceful passages are referring to practising Muslims.

Yeah, the Q'uran might not be the serial killing cookbook Trumpanzees make it out to be, but it's not inaccurate to say it's a heavily violent book.

It's the preface to the redpill roundhouse you're about to get.

Some positive spoilers I suppose:

Quote from: The Hidden Gabber on May 23, 2017, 07:45:07 PM

I agree that immigration needs restricting, but the solution to terrorist activities isn't to hound out people who have lived here for generations just because they subscribe to a set of belief systems, however immoral they may be.

So you're okay with allowing people who believe in a religion that refers to non-believers as infidels, and that infidels should be killed to live in your country when you know for a fact that these sort of attacks, conducted by people of this religion, aren't going to stop? You're okay with these same people who treat your women like disposable garbage because to them they are whores and impure, simply for not following their religious standards? You're okay with these people who hate your country and westernism as a whole?

Morals have already been thrown out of the window.

Well yeah, because we have a little thing called freedom of religion and thought in developed societies.

Many Muslims have managed to reconcile their faith with the laws of this country, despite the fact that they advocate a lot of abhorrent tripe. Yes, there is a social cohesiveness problem within Muslim communities, and yes various Muslim communities have posed a problem with integrating in the pluralistic visions of Western societies, that doesn't mean our response should be a knee jerk widespread mass deportation. The majority of them are already citizens now, so if you're going to advocate the removal of people who believe in distasteful ideas then you need to also apply it to /pol/acks, neo-nazis and cults.

You tote around this idea like it's completely feasible, but it really isn't.

when you have a problem with incredibly racist language you actually just need to lighten up. there is definitely nothing wrong with that sort of behavior. it is totally acceptable

Is this the part where you call sep7 a racist hugbox again while simultaneously retreating to your own?

A bloo bloo, a couple of socially unacceptable jokes got thrown around, so what. The whole point of a forum is to openly converse anonymously without fear of actual reproach anyway.

You're not changing anything by autistically screeching over taboo jokes by the way, if that's what you think is happening here. You're just giving us more incentive to do it.

Quote from: The Hidden Gabber on May 23, 2017, 07:24:16 PM

Quote from: 🅱🅾🅾🅿 on May 23, 2017, 07:19:20 PM

Hate​ to say it but if these countries don't start deporting these refugees en masse​ then they're pretty much asking for it at this point.

The guy was a home grown terrorist though.

The last several attacks were home grown in fact, as Flee pointed out.

There are obviously various logistic and integration issues in regards to taking in such monumental numbers of migrants and refugees at the level Europe has for the past half a decade now, but terrorism isn't one of them, at least in the UK.

So then how do you propose stopping these home grown terrorists, and why is it that countries who haven't accepted any refugees haven't had these same problems? It goes beyond just the terrorist attacks, crime in general has gone up too.

Well I'm not a counter terrorist expert, but targeting the hot beds of radicalisation such as prisons and mosques would be a start. Rehabilitation centres where extremists can be deradicalised by exposing potential terrorists and Islamists who wish to leave their organisations. Tackle the Westophobic ideological influences and social insularity within Muslim communities by Muslims themselves whilst simultaneously, an active focus towards creating an inclusive national identity to be adopted by all members of society.

The reason the countries you are presumably alluding to haven't experienced terrorism in recent history is because they don't have significantly insular Muslim populations. However, that doesn't mean the solution is to deport all the Muzzies. They're here now as citizens of these countries, so what's done is done, and the prospect of rounding them up and sending them packing on boats not only presents a seismic logistical problem, but a moral one as well. I agree that immigration needs restricting, but the solution to terrorist activities isn't to hound out people who have lived here for generations just because they subscribe to a set of belief systems, however immoral they may be.

Hate​ to say it but if these countries don't start deporting these refugees en masse​ then they're pretty much asking for it at this point.

The guy was a home grown terrorist though.

The last several attacks were home grown in fact, as Flee pointed out.

There are obviously various logistic and integration issues in regards to taking in such monumental numbers of migrants and refugees at the level Europe has for the past half a decade now, but terrorism isn't one of them, at least in the UK.

I'm all for criticizing fanaticism but burning down innocent people's livelihoods?

Pathetic.

Worst Bond imo, but eh, thoughts go out to the family.

Fire in the Sky experiment scene.

Nothing has been able to top it.

Just had a sad cum