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6631
« on: December 09, 2014, 10:52:56 AM »
6632
« on: December 09, 2014, 10:40:29 AM »
I'm advocating banning Mein Kampf. Thank you for repeating what I already know. If you have a problem with that, you're being overly liberal and politically correct. That's pretty rich coming from the guy advocating the censorship something because it doesn't align with his beliefs. I'm not trying to set up anything, what I'm saying is that there's no positive to allow people to read the book. Then tell people that and let them find out for themselves.
6633
« on: December 09, 2014, 10:37:48 AM »
If you call banning Mein Kampf a "suppression of ideologies" you're just being dumb. Fascism is an ideology. You can sugar coat it and twist it to suit your own narrative all you like, but objectively, it is an ideology. There's no two ways about it. I'd really love to hear your criteria for what is and isn't an ideology without using subjectivity. Nobody will be more likely to do anything if the book is banned. Yeah, because fascism and totalitarianism totally never existed before Hitler put pen to paper.
6634
« on: December 09, 2014, 10:26:31 AM »
I already explained why books carry more weight with somebody than a blog post does. You and me, and many other people see Mein Kampf for what it is. An ignorant and prejudiced person reads a book written by Hitler which reads a lot more eloquent than a Neo Nazi website, and they revere the book. There are fucking idiots in this world, and more times than not they're prejudiced and eat up anything that makes them feel better about themselves and blames everybody else. If you're going to tell me people don't worship books when we have holy texts people base their life on, you're wrong. Yes, they're idiots, we've established that. I don't see how a couple of troglodytes lacking in critical thinking warrants the censorship of one book though. There's plenty of other books that advocate worse shit than Mein Kampf you know, are you going to ban those too?
There's nothing fascistic about not wanting fascism (specifically Nazi ideogoly) in your society, No, but silencing the dissenting point of view because of its putridity is like the cornerstone of fascism. I really don't know why you don't seem to understand this basic concept, because I know you're smarter than this.
and no amount of comparisons and analogies will change that. It's an evil book written by an evil man and it has absolutely no place in this world. That really isn't up for you to decide.
And there you have it. Idiots getting ideas from an objectively evil book.
I don't advocate banning books, but I do for Mein Kampf. I'm tired of this reverence the Nazis get and the idolization of Hitler. It's disgusting and we need to start getting rid of that as quickly as possible. The TV too is FULL of Nazi documentaries.
It's about taking the "glamor" away from the Nazis. To stop installing it into people's minds that they were some of the worst around when far worse things have happened with far more people killed.
You guys can say reading it will stop this from happening again. It's happening now, and it just happened in Iraq with America's invasions. They set up concentration camps in Iraq, and did Mein Kampf come to the rescue? Nope. Meanwhile back home people are jacking off to the book saying "can't ban it or we'll never learn from our mistakes lol". What mistakes? I've never committed genocide. People are going to commit genocide all they want, a book promoting it isn't going to make them think "Huh. Maybe I shouldn't wipe out the Kurds". They're gonna do it anyway.
There is no good reason to allow this book to be legal. Because we're still doing the shit we were doing back then and a thousand years before then. Stories of how horrible slavery is hasn't stopped slavery throughout the world. If books had the power to promote something and at the same time make people view it as disgusting, we'd be living in a far better world.
If you're trying to establish a causal link between these strings of events and Mein Kampf, I really don't know what to say to you. That's pretty laughable. And like I said, there's far worse shit than Mein Kampf out there. If you're going to be a politically correct nanny state advocate, than at least be a consistent one.
6635
« on: December 09, 2014, 06:02:01 AM »
Don't diss and cuss me.
6636
« on: December 09, 2014, 03:35:00 AM »
I already explained why books carry more weight with somebody than a blog post does. You and me, and many other people see Mein Kampf for what it is. An ignorant and prejudiced person reads a book written by Hitler which reads a lot more eloquent than a Neo Nazi website, and they revere the book. There are fucking idiots in this world, and more times than not they're prejudiced and eat up anything that makes them feel better about themselves and blames everybody else. If you're going to tell me people don't worship books when we have holy texts people base their life on, you're wrong. Yes, they're idiots, we've established that. I don't see how a couple of troglodytes lacking in critical thinking warrants the censorship of one book though. There's plenty of other books that advocate worse shit than Mein Kampf you know, are you going to ban those too? There's nothing fascistic about not wanting fascism (specifically Nazi ideogoly) in your society, No, but silencing the dissenting point of view because of its putridity is like the cornerstone of fascism. I really don't know why you don't seem to understand this basic concept, because I know you're smarter than this. and no amount of comparisons and analogies will change that. It's an evil book written by an evil man and it has absolutely no place in this world. That really isn't up for you to decide.
6637
« on: December 08, 2014, 07:30:11 PM »
Don't patronize me. I did nothing of the sort. I apologize if you felt that way. I'm discussing this with you because you all keep replying. But I'm never going to change my mind on this. That's great, because neither am I. Somehow I get the feeling that you're the one that will keep replying until he gets the last word, not me. The book should be banned and destroyed. Then by definition, you are a fascist. If you're seriously going to sit there and say a book doesn't carry more weight than a blog or post on a forum, LOL. That's great, but do you have actual argumentation to explain your point on why it carries more weight instead of being smarmy and condescending? Like I said, we read books and view them as official sources of information from a young age. And we as individuals, can agree or disagree with the rhetoric being espoused. That's the beauty of learning and reading. You can discover the knowledge for yourself and decide whether it's something you agree with or something you think is totally bullshit. The general consensus is that Mein Kampf is a piece of shit anyway, both in prose and the ideas being conveyed. That means somebody will take Mein Kampf far more seriously than a blog post. You know, there's an extremist feminist on the internet that advocates for the mass sterilization and genital mutilation of men, but I take her about as seriously as I take Mein Kampf, which isn't very much. Exactly, the eloquence. The second phrase is far more likely to get you thinking than the first one Not really. The ideas are still there, the only difference being the sophistication of the writing style. You'd have to be a fucking idiot to be won over by ideas on the basis of whether it sounds pretty or not. And my point is I'm not for censorship in general. I just don't think Mein Kampf should be legal to buy. Hitler shouldn't be idolized like he is, and having people read his book is even worse. And yet again, that makes you an unconscious proponent of fascism. Congratulations.
6638
« on: December 08, 2014, 07:00:51 PM »
]Nope, people can say what they like on the Internet. Freedom of speech. So authors aren't allowed to convey their ideas on paper? I mean I'm just trying to wrap my head around your logic here. Apparently internet fascism = okay, but book fascism is a big no no for some reason. A book is more official, holds more weight, Which is no different than a blog, or a comment, or a thread. Really, the only difference is the physical aspects in which they're printed on, and maybe their length. and has more authority when it comes to reading and learning new ideas. What authority would this be exactly? I didn't say you couldn't learn from talking to people on the Internet, I said somebody saying "The Jews should be killed because they're ruining the world" is not the same as reading "The Jew is the sole source of corruption and evil in our species" in a Nazi book. I don't see the difference besides the eloquence. You know, I like you Challenger, I really do, but you have this annoying tendency to refuse to concede on a stance or point and bring up really stupid arguments when you've been flipped on your arse or backed into a corner. I don't even mean this as an insult, merely advice in your future debates.
6639
« on: December 08, 2014, 06:54:46 PM »
A lot better I presume. Training is much more rigorous and strictly enforced nowadays. Not to mention that we now place heavy emphasis on fitness and physicality, whereas WWII era soldiers smoked and drank to their hearts content.
6640
« on: December 08, 2014, 06:51:01 PM »
I agree to an extent. The free market dictates that the alienation of their consumers will more than likely drive their business into the ground anyway.
6641
« on: December 08, 2014, 06:48:30 PM »
A Song of Ice and Fire is a fictional book read for entertainment. And? The analogy still holds up. Anyone that takes a book literally is not mentally sound. I didn't say you said we should encourage it, I said it's almost encouraging it to allow it to be read. No, it really isn't. Again, I'm not talking about censorship of books. Just Mein Kampf. Then you may as well just go ahead and ban /pol/ and all the other fascist outlets that espouse Mein Kampf since they're such a detriment to the democratic process. And yes, books have more of an impact than a hateful comment on the Internet. Everybody knows this. I've learned just as much from this site alone by listening to other people's ideas as I have from books. What a completely dumfounded and ignorant statement.
6642
« on: December 08, 2014, 06:41:18 PM »
Nobody wants to hear it. "Book" being the important part. A book is official. A book holds weight and has "authority". A book is important and can teach. This is ingrained into our minds at an extremely young age. Yes, but A Song Of Ice And Fire doesn't make me want to pillage and rape and establish my on monarchic dynasty. If someone takes the teachings or writings of a book in a literal interpretation, then said person is not in touch with reality and/or is mentally ill. You can be influenced by Mein Kampf sure, but to adhere to its teachings probably makes you a psychopath. Mein Kampf isn't even that fascistic anyway. It's pretty much Hitler just whining about his time in prison >.>. Nobody wants to hear it's wrong when they read it and think it's right. Why should we have to tell people it's wrong and at the same time allow and almost encourage them to read it? I'm not saying we should "encourage people to read it." Don't put words in my mouth. There's a very stark difference between encouraging someone to read something and being against the censorship of ideas that you don't agree with. People can say what they like, peacefully gather, whatever. But not a book. So a collection of paper, letters and sentences is where you draw the line? It doesn't matter what's being said, just how it's being said? That's your criteria for censorship?
6643
« on: December 08, 2014, 06:26:09 PM »
That's where you're wrong. You're free from fascism. That shit has no place in a civilized society that values equality and democracy.
It doesn't really value the democratic process at all if it resorts to the censorship of material it doesn't like.
Fascism isn't material we don't like. It's a serious threat to democracy and books like that can give kids the wrong idea.
It's a book written by a madman promoting his bullshit ideals. It's not like we're writing textbooks omitting that part of history, we're just banning a disgusting book.
Then you already are a fascist society at that point you dip. Banning literature and art because you don't like what it stands for is kind of how fascism works. It's irony at its finest.
No it isn't.
If some guy wants to write a book promoting fascism, it shouldn't be allowed to be publicized. Fascism is a plague and needs to be eradicated. You can be a hippie all you like and call it "suppression of ideas", but it's suppression of fascism. It goes directly against our way of life.
Yes it is.
You're starting to sound like a fascist yourself.
It goes directly against our way of life
it shouldn't be allowed to be publicized
Just so you know, Mein Kampf is available to purchase in pretty much all Western Democracies, and we're far from becoming a totalitarian state, nor has there been any indication of such a transgression. The narrative you're going for is fallacious, no offense
I never said one book will create a fascist state. I'm saying there's a slippery slope effect. Where does it end? People already have this attitude of viewing Nazis with this sense of mysticism and grandeur.
Intolerance of intolerance is necessary, much as it may seem like you're behaving as your enemy would. You're not, you're doing it in the name of preserving freedom and not allowing it to be tainted by those who would take it away, while abusing the freedom of speech when they would abolish it if they had their way.
It ends where the ideas get put into practice, plain and simple. If someone starts gassing Jewish people because of a book they read, the general consensus would be that said person is inflicted with mental illness. There are plenty of people that believe and adhere to fascism who are law abiding citizens. Idiots? Yes, but their speech holds just as much validity to be heard as anyone else's. I'm not disagreeing with what your saying, but curtailing ideas because you disagree with them is the complete antithesis of a democracy. We should be discouraging fascism sure, but in open debate and discourse, not censorship.
6644
« on: December 08, 2014, 06:14:28 PM »
That's where you're wrong. You're free from fascism. That shit has no place in a civilized society that values equality and democracy.
It doesn't really value the democratic process at all if it resorts to the censorship of material it doesn't like.
Fascism isn't material we don't like. It's a serious threat to democracy and books like that can give kids the wrong idea.
It's a book written by a madman promoting his bullshit ideals. It's not like we're writing textbooks omitting that part of history, we're just banning a disgusting book.
Then you already are a fascist society at that point you dip. Banning literature and art because you don't like what it stands for is kind of how fascism works. It's irony at its finest.
No it isn't.
If some guy wants to write a book promoting fascism, it shouldn't be allowed to be publicized. Fascism is a plague and needs to be eradicated. You can be a hippie all you like and call it "suppression of ideas", but it's suppression of fascism. It goes directly against our way of life.
Yes it is. You're starting to sound like a fascist yourself. It goes directly against our way of life it shouldn't be allowed to be publicized Just so you know, Mein Kampf is available to purchase in pretty much all Western Democracies, and we're far from becoming a totalitarian state, nor has there been any indication of such a transgression. The narrative you're going for is fallacious, no offense
6645
« on: December 08, 2014, 06:08:48 PM »
That's where you're wrong. You're free from fascism. That shit has no place in a civilized society that values equality and democracy.
It doesn't really value the democratic process at all if it resorts to the censorship of material it doesn't like.
Fascism isn't material we don't like. It's a serious threat to democracy and books like that can give kids the wrong idea.
It's a book written by a madman promoting his bullshit ideals. It's not like we're writing textbooks omitting that part of history, we're just banning a disgusting book.
Then you already are a fascist society at that point you dip. Banning literature and art because you don't like what it stands for is kind of how fascism works. It's irony at its finest.
6646
« on: December 08, 2014, 06:06:17 PM »
True, but the book itself is utter crap.
It reads like a brick and would be better used as paper mache.
But, books are sacred and defiling them is haram >____>
Even if the content is tripe.
Even a book that tells people how to commit murder and get away with it?
Should guns be banned because they can be used as tools for murder?
 how will kinder get out of this one
6647
« on: December 08, 2014, 05:59:53 PM »
 the time where your father force choked your pregnant mother and fought me to the death in which he burned near a lake of lava screaming in vitriolic contempt at me? And he was a good friend.
6648
« on: December 08, 2014, 05:39:10 PM »
That's where you're wrong. You're free from fascism. That shit has no place in a civilized society that values equality and democracy.
It doesn't really value the democratic process at all if it resorts to the censorship of material it doesn't like.
6649
« on: December 08, 2014, 01:49:55 PM »
mein nigrah
>you will never pound that ass and ride the gyrating waves
6650
« on: December 08, 2014, 01:47:44 PM »
Quite ironic, considering the Christian stance on suicide.
6651
« on: December 08, 2014, 01:46:59 PM »
Yeah, not everyone can be equal.
Everyone should be given equal opportunities and liberties, though.
6652
« on: December 08, 2014, 01:45:27 PM »
 "You can’t ban a word, even a horrible one like “mong”. That’s just like saying “Let’s burn one book. Let’s just burn Mein Kampf; it’s a horrible book and nobody likes it”. At the point that you burn Mein Kampf, you’re a fucking fascist society. You’re not even a proper fascist society because you’ve burned the fucking guide book."-Frankie Boyle.
6653
« on: December 08, 2014, 01:43:14 PM »
Raimi trilogy was GOAT whatchu gettin fresh for?
6654
« on: December 08, 2014, 01:40:41 PM »
AngryJoe
His reviews might not be in depth or entrenched with eloquence, but he's pretty good at letting you know if the game is fun and/or is worth your money, and that's all I really care about.
Joe turned into an SJW crybaby
Explain?
6655
« on: December 08, 2014, 12:10:40 PM »
 >presses ctrl + f >types in name >no results
6656
« on: December 08, 2014, 12:05:20 PM »
AvP was a thing. It wasn't my cuppa tea, but it has snow.
I kinda liked AvP too.
Requiem a shit.
Agreed. AVP is objectively a pretty bad movie, but I must say that I really enjoyed it myself. I especially love the first acts of the movie where they're just finding and discovering the pyramid. I like the escalation of that into complete chaos.
The fights are well choreographed and the action is decent. If you don't go in expecting 2001 A Space Odyssey, or Ridley Scott's second Alien movie, you'll probably enjoy it more.
6657
« on: December 08, 2014, 12:02:34 PM »
 >"Neitzsche is my favourite philosopher"
6658
« on: December 08, 2014, 12:00:02 PM »
AngryJoe
His reviews might not be in depth or entrenched with eloquence, but he's pretty good at letting you know if the game is fun and/or is worth your money, and that's all I really care about.
6659
« on: December 08, 2014, 11:57:54 AM »
 >this thread
6660
« on: December 08, 2014, 11:47:53 AM »
 I'm not sure what this makes me.
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