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3331
« on: October 13, 2015, 10:57:28 AM »
Everyone was perfectly willing to sacrifice their privacy to massive conglomerate corporations so they could get access to Google and Facebook for free, but as soon as the NSA was 'revealed' to be collecting metadata (which requires a legal warrant to investigate, and really has no bearing on your personal privacy) it was immediately painted as this huge comic book tier government conspiracy.
...you don't see the difference between being able to choose what information you publish online, and the information the government gathers on you without your consent?
Information being what exactly? I feel like I need to emphasize this again, since you guys really don't understand the concept of Metadata. Think of it as a catalogue. A descriptive list of what kind of data is being recorded. The NSA have absolutely no legal basis to investigate this data without a probable cause and a warrant. Whilst I agree that the NSA has been getting a bit too big for its britches, this narrative that they were the American iteration of Big Brother is just patently false.
3332
« on: October 13, 2015, 10:47:19 AM »
>'revealed' what we already knew then handed classified documents of military operations to the Russians on a silver platter.
Why do you pretend that Russia and China were not his best options for personal safety? Hell China isn't an entirely safe bet now.
I really don't care about his personal safety. He clearly had no concern for the personal safety of the undercover military personnel he revealed to innumerable terrorist groups.
I'm just thinking you need to stop implying he handed information to Russia because he wants Russia to have the upperhand. He was essentially forced to because he is only protectend there as long as he cooperayes with them.
I don't think he really cares who has the upper hand. He saw an opportunity to sell data to the highest bidder and took it at the expense of the safety of others.
3333
« on: October 13, 2015, 10:44:28 AM »
In all honesty I find this whole Snowden debacle to be extremely patronising towards the American public. Everyone was perfectly willing to sacrifice their privacy to massive conglomerate corporations so they could get access to Google and Facebook for free, but as soon as the NSA was 'revealed' to be collecting metadata (which requires a legal warrant to investigate, and really has no bearing on your personal privacy) it was immediately painted as this huge comic book tier government conspiracy.
Metadata isn't even real data. It's just a transcript of phone calls and emails that the NSA had no legal grounding to look into without proper judicial sanctions.
3334
« on: October 13, 2015, 10:40:18 AM »
>'revealed' what we already knew then handed classified documents of military operations to the Russians on a silver platter.
Why do you pretend that Russia and China were not his best options for personal safety? Hell China isn't an entirely safe bet now.
I really don't care about his personal safety. He clearly had no concern for the personal safety of the undercover military personnel he revealed to innumerable terrorist groups.
3335
« on: October 13, 2015, 10:26:29 AM »
>'revealed' what we already knew then handed classified documents of military operations to the Russians on a silver platter.
But if we disagree with him I guess we're all gubment shills.
3336
« on: October 12, 2015, 08:44:00 PM »
yeah dune coons should drop dead tbh
3337
« on: October 12, 2015, 07:49:47 PM »
Max get off your alts.
3338
« on: October 12, 2015, 03:54:12 PM »
No.
With this logic a murderer can simply proclaim he doesn't consent to being arrested.
When you break someone else's consent, you have the possibility of forfeiting yours, depending on what you did.
But that's not what the OP specified. If I'm imposing an action on you for murdering someone then clearly I'm doing so without your consent.
3339
« on: October 12, 2015, 03:50:08 PM »
No.
With this logic a murderer can simply proclaim he doesn't consent to being arrested.
3340
« on: October 12, 2015, 02:45:50 PM »
It's hilarious to me how some people blame everything BUT the religion. As if it's irrelevant and has no bearing on their actions.
People love to jump through weird logical hoops that confirm their biases.
3341
« on: October 12, 2015, 02:41:25 PM »
Why do proponents of capitalists in this forum get labelled 'meta rehashers"? It's fucking annoying. I don't label any of you liberals "Mad Max rehashers."
i only pointed it out because he literally made the same argument
Yes, so the conclusion you've drawn is that we must be collaborating. Of course.
collaborating? no that means you're working together, my point was that you just take his arguments and present them as your own. we're derailing the thread, no need to go on longer tbh
It's kind of hard to replicate an argument when I never even saw the post to begin with. But whatever.
3342
« on: October 12, 2015, 02:38:18 PM »
1 billion is not enough.
1 billion more than socialism anyway ;^)
3343
« on: October 12, 2015, 02:37:30 PM »
Why do proponents of capitalists in this forum get labelled 'meta rehashers"? It's fucking annoying. I don't label any of you liberals "Mad Max rehashers."
i only pointed it out because he literally made the same argument
Yes, so the conclusion you've drawn is that we must be collaborating. Of course.
3344
« on: October 12, 2015, 02:33:27 PM »
Isn't China kinda sorta a Communist Country?
Politically, yes.
Economically, no.
Economically? Very very socialist
Hardly. China is the world's epicentre of trade, manufacturing and global exports.
3345
« on: October 12, 2015, 02:31:29 PM »
meta said the same thing in a thread the other week. stop rehashing his shit and learn to think for yourself m8
I never even saw that thread tbh. I don't even read his posts that often either. Why do proponents of capitalists in this forum get labelled with 'meta rehashing"? It's fucking annoying. I don't label any of you liberals with 'Mad Max rehashing.'
3346
« on: October 12, 2015, 02:21:46 PM »
I'm slightly skeptical as to how well it is working in third world countries (Middle East, Central and Southern Africa specifically)
If it's true, good. Still doesn't change my personal beliefs.
Imposing trade tariffs and foreign aid is making it extremely difficult for capitalism to flourish in Africa. The problem isn't capitalism intrinsically.
I'm aware.
As I said, this thread still doesn't change my personal beliefs
Personal beliefs about what exactly?
3347
« on: October 12, 2015, 02:19:06 PM »
I'm slightly skeptical as to how well it is working in third world countries (Middle East, Central and Southern Africa specifically)
If it's true, good. Still doesn't change my personal beliefs.
Imposing trade tariffs and foreign aid is making it extremely difficult for capitalism to flourish in Africa. The problem isn't capitalism intrinsically.
3349
« on: October 12, 2015, 12:24:13 PM »
Get fucked kid.
I'm reading over this and loving the arguing, but please no "kid" stuff. It just reminds me of some 14 year old on xbox who keeps saying "kid kid kid!" to sound superior over the fuck he's crying over.
heck off kid
3350
« on: October 12, 2015, 12:00:57 PM »
Yeah but they're not doing it in the name of their religion you dense fuck
Does it matter?
If EVERY Muslim acted out, fine. But it's the world's second largest religion. Most of the adherents are in the poorest regions of the planet.
And we're beginning to see an assimilation problem in the West with adherents outside the poorest regions too. Look up the the Rotherham and Rochdale cases in the UK. Hell, just take a look at the fucking statistics me and Meta posted literally two pages back.
They're they 1st generation of immigrants. Every group has assimilation problems when they come. Moroccans assimilated into the French culture just fine. It took a generation, but they did it. Arabs and the rest will assimilate as well.
What the fuck are you slavering now? Moroccans didn't emigrate to France. France colonised Morocco.
I'm talking about the Muslim immigrants in the UK that have failed to assimilate properly which has resulted in horrific ramifications for British, and it's being going on for longer than a generation.
Yes... But an immigrant is an immigrant. If anything, there should have been more problems.
And the reason the UK is having problems is that they aren't handling the influx correctly.
So you do agree there is a problem with Islamic values both in the West and in the Middle East then? It has really nothing to do with numbers. It's how they integrate our values when immigrating here.
3351
« on: October 12, 2015, 11:58:15 AM »
Islam is the second largest religion. My issue with the anti-Islamic bent of many pundits is that they paint over a billion people with the same brush.
The reason that there are so many Islamic terrorists is poverty. It's easy to hate a group when your life is shit, and the head religious person is telling you it's God telling them that the outsiders are the reason your kids are starving and armed men killed your friends. The Middle East needs to change. Easier said than done, but the powerful few in that area created a situation where they can live rich lives on the backs of others, and that God allows it because non Muslims are the enemy.
Fix the poverty in that area and the situation rights itself.
Yeah no, I'm not buying the poverty meme.
South America is one of the most poverty stricken continents on the whole planet, and while despicable shit does occur, there are currently no international wars occuring sans maybe the clamp down of the drug trade.
There are also no honour killings in South America, nor suicide bombers attempting to blow up religious institutions in the name of Pablo Escobar, nor rampant cases of FGM.
I agree that the situation in the Middle East is a melting pot of clusterfuck that can't just be pinned on an entire religion, but to simply say 'poverty' as if it absolves everyone else of responsibility is just an infantile way of looking at things.
Unm... Drug Cartels, mass beheadings, death squads... YES Central and South America has those problems too. So does most of Africa. Every poverty stricken area is war torn. The only difference with the ME is we are the target.
Those can't be attributed to religion or perhaps even poverty though. The reason South America is in the mess it is in today is due to The War On Drugs and lack of emphasis on education.
But as I said, funny how you don't see FGM or suicide bombing in the name of Christianity over there.
As I told Splash, it's the world's second largest religion, with most of its adherents living in the poorest regions of the world.
You're attributing correlation with causation. Just because some Middle Eastern countries happen to be poor does not equate to a direct causation of its problems.
Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Qatar, Jordan and Iran aren't even that poor anyway, so you kind of need to clarify on this one.
But not everyone in those countries are wealthy... Go there and see super wealthy families lording over people starving to death.
http://www.nationsencyclopedia.com/economies/Asia-and-the-Pacific/Saudi-Arabia-POVERTY-AND-WEALTH.htmlSaudi Arabians generally enjoy a decent standard of living, due in large part to government programs designed to minimize poverty. Saudi citizens are given free education (although enrollment is not required and has historically been low, accounting for relatively high illiteracy rates) and health care, and all adult Saudis are entitled to a plot of land and a loan of US$80,000 with which to build a house.
3352
« on: October 12, 2015, 11:55:54 AM »
Yeah but they're not doing it in the name of their religion you dense fuck
Does it matter?
If EVERY Muslim acted out, fine. But it's the world's second largest religion. Most of the adherents are in the poorest regions of the planet.
And we're beginning to see an assimilation problem in the West with adherents outside the poorest regions too. Look up the the Rotherham and Rochdale cases in the UK. Hell, just take a look at the fucking statistics me and Meta posted literally two pages back.
They're they 1st generation of immigrants. Every group has assimilation problems when they come. Moroccans assimilated into the French culture just fine. It took a generation, but they did it. Arabs and the rest will assimilate as well.
What the fuck are you slavering now? Moroccans didn't emigrate to France. France colonised Morocco. I'm talking about the Muslim immigrants in the UK that have failed to assimilate properly which has resulted in horrific ramifications for British children, and it's being going on for longer than a generation.
3353
« on: October 12, 2015, 11:52:15 AM »
Islam is the second largest religion. My issue with the anti-Islamic bent of many pundits is that they paint over a billion people with the same brush.
The reason that there are so many Islamic terrorists is poverty. It's easy to hate a group when your life is shit, and the head religious person is telling you it's God telling them that the outsiders are the reason your kids are starving and armed men killed your friends. The Middle East needs to change. Easier said than done, but the powerful few in that area created a situation where they can live rich lives on the backs of others, and that God allows it because non Muslims are the enemy.
Fix the poverty in that area and the situation rights itself.
Yeah no, I'm not buying the poverty meme.
South America is one of the most poverty stricken continents on the whole planet, and while despicable shit does occur, there are currently no international wars occuring sans maybe the clamp down of the drug trade.
There are also no honour killings in South America, nor suicide bombers attempting to blow up religious institutions in the name of Pablo Escobar, nor rampant cases of FGM.
I agree that the situation in the Middle East is a melting pot of clusterfuck that can't just be pinned on an entire religion, but to simply say 'poverty' as if it absolves everyone else of responsibility is just an infantile way of looking at things.
Unm... Drug Cartels, mass beheadings, death squads... YES Central and South America has those problems too. So does most of Africa. Every poverty stricken area is war torn. The only difference with the ME is we are the target.
Those can't be attributed to religion or perhaps even poverty though. The reason South America is in the mess it is in today is due to The War On Drugs and lack of emphasis on education.
But as I said, funny how you don't see FGM or suicide bombing in the name of Christianity over there.
As I told Splash, it's the world's second largest religion, with most of its adherents living in the poorest regions of the world.
You're attributing correlation with causation. Just because some Middle Eastern countries happen to be poor does not equate to a direct causation of its problems. Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Qatar, Jordan and Iran aren't even that poor anyway, so you kind of need to clarify on this one.
3354
« on: October 12, 2015, 11:50:21 AM »
Yeah but they're not doing it in the name of their religion you dense fuck
Does it matter?
If EVERY Muslim acted out, fine. But it's the world's second largest religion. Most of the adherents are in the poorest regions of the planet.
And we're beginning to see an assimilation problem in the West with adherents outside the poorest regions too. Look up the the Rotherham and Rochdale cases in the UK. Hell, just take a look at the fucking statistics me and Meta posted literally two pages back.
3355
« on: October 12, 2015, 11:45:56 AM »
Islam is the second largest religion. My issue with the anti-Islamic bent of many pundits is that they paint over a billion people with the same brush.
The reason that there are so many Islamic terrorists is poverty. It's easy to hate a group when your life is shit, and the head religious person is telling you it's God telling them that the outsiders are the reason your kids are starving and armed men killed your friends. The Middle East needs to change. Easier said than done, but the powerful few in that area created a situation where they can live rich lives on the backs of others, and that God allows it because non Muslims are the enemy.
Fix the poverty in that area and the situation rights itself.
Yeah no, I'm not buying the poverty meme.
South America is one of the most poverty stricken continents on the whole planet, and while despicable shit does occur, there are currently no international wars occuring sans maybe the clamp down of the drug trade.
There are also no honour killings in South America, nor suicide bombers attempting to blow up religious institutions in the name of Pablo Escobar, nor rampant cases of FGM.
I agree that the situation in the Middle East is a melting pot of clusterfuck that can't just be pinned on an entire religion, but to simply say 'poverty' as if it absolves everyone else of responsibility is just an infantile way of looking at things.
Unm... Drug Cartels, mass beheadings, death squads... YES Central and South America has those problems too. So does most of Africa. Every poverty stricken area is war torn. The only difference with the ME is we are the target.
Those can't be attributed to religion or perhaps even poverty though. The reason South America is in the mess it is in today is due to The War On Drugs and lack of emphasis on education. But as I said, funny how you don't see FGM or suicide bombing in the name of Christianity over there.
3356
« on: October 12, 2015, 11:39:09 AM »
Islam is the second largest religion. My issue with the anti-Islamic bent of many pundits is that they paint over a billion people with the same brush.
The reason that there are so many Islamic terrorists is poverty. It's easy to hate a group when your life is shit, and the head religious person is telling you it's God telling them that the outsiders are the reason your kids are starving and armed men killed your friends. The Middle East needs to change. Easier said than done, but the powerful few in that area created a situation where they can live rich lives on the backs of others, and that God allows it because non Muslims are the enemy.
Fix the poverty in that area and the situation rights itself.
Yeah no, I'm not buying the poverty meme. South America is one of the most poverty stricken continents on the whole planet, and while despicable shit does occur, there are currently no international wars occuring sans maybe the clamp down of the drug trade. There are also no honour killings in South America, nor suicide bombers attempting to blow up religious institutions in the name of Pablo Escobar, nor rampant cases of FGM. I agree that the situation in the Middle East is a melting pot of clusterfuck that can't just be pinned on an entire religion, but to simply say 'poverty' as if it absolves everyone else of responsibility is just an infantile way of looking at things.
3357
« on: October 12, 2015, 11:28:22 AM »
Then you have the 'moderates' who are maybe not on the same bandwagon as the Jihadists and Islamists, but they're certainly not going out of their way to denounce the former two why should they have to
If they don't want their religion to be associated with them then it's kind of paramount to clarify that they don't agree with these guys nor condone their actions, don't you think?
No, not at all. No one is responsible for anyone's actions but their own. There is no imperative for moderate muslims to justify or denounce the actions of their insane cunt lunatic Middle Eastern brethren. That's not their duty.
Well they shouldn't act surprised when people associate them with the degenerate cunts they allegedly have no problem with.
3358
« on: October 12, 2015, 11:18:17 AM »
Then you have the 'moderates' who are maybe not on the same bandwagon as the Jihadists and Islamists, but they're certainly not going out of their way to denounce the former two why should they have to
If they don't want their religion to be associated with them then it's kind of paramount to clarify that they don't agree with these guys nor condone their actions, don't you think?
3359
« on: October 12, 2015, 11:05:25 AM »
What's the point in posting those statistics if you aren't talking about all Muslims? The discussion up to that point had been about all Muslims, and how only a small percentage of them are dangerous/a threat. I'm simply illustrating the fact that yes, not all Muslims are inherently violent, but a majority, if not the vast majority still cling to a variety of insidious beliefs, like apostasy killings and forced marriages. There are three tiers of Islam; The Jihadists, who I think we all agree are despicable backwards cunts that need to be eradicated from the face of the Earth, constitute a significant minority. There's the Islamists, who don't participate in violence like the Jihadists do, but will actively support their cause, perhaps even simultaneously funding them. They also support Shariah and reject secularism. These are people like Anjem Choudary. Then you have the 'moderates' who are maybe not on the same bandwagon as the Jihadists and Islamists, but they're certainly not going out of their way to denounce the former two, and as mine and Meta's statistics demonstrate, still withhold a lot of worrying beliefs. The secular Muslims who champion free speech like Maajid Nawaz are so far and few between that they're practically non-existent. Ultimately, my statistics are there to exemplify that just because the majority of Muslims are 'non-violent' is not a viable excuse to ignore all the other shit that goes on in the Muslim world.
3360
« on: October 12, 2015, 10:44:03 AM »
I guess by your line of reasoning it would be 'Christianophobic' to disagree with sects of Christianity. Get fucked kid.
Disagreeing with a religion is fine. Asserting that being a Muslim means you're dangerous isn't.
Literally who said this.
Um, you?
Anti Islamism being a bad thing...how?
Because the vast majority of muslims are no different than your harmless Christian grandma. Only the extremists are something to worry about, but every religion has its extremists. This whole Glenn Beck bullshit is pure fear mongering.
http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/291
78% of British Muslims think the Danish cartoonist who drew a picture of Muhammed should've been prosecuted.
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/may/07/muslims-britain-france-germany-homosexuality
0% of British Muslims think homosexuality is tolerable.
And this is all from a Western democracy.
And Meta?
Anti Islamism being a bad thing...how?
Because the vast majority of muslims are no different than your harmless Christian grandma. Only the extremists are something to worry about, but every religion has its extremists. This whole Glenn Beck bullshit is pure fear mongering.
78pc of Muslims think the Danish cartoonist back in 2005 should've been prosecuted for those cartoons.
25pc of Muslims supported the 7/7 bombers.
24pc believe suicide bombing can be justified, and this rises to 36pc among young Muslims specifically.
33pc believe apostates should be killed, while 28pc favour turning the country into an Islamic state.
And--here's the kicker--these statistics are all from Britain. Get the fuck out of here with your PC bullshit.
I fail to see where I specified all Muslims within those statistics.
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