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Quote from: MAGA Man on November 10, 2016, 09:32:59 AM

Quote from: Flee on November 10, 2016, 09:26:48 AM

Quote from: clum clum on November 10, 2016, 08:37:23 AM

If Hillary won the Right wouldn't have reacted in such a childish, emotional, violent way.

I think that's a very baseless and unfounded statement indicating a good amount of bias.

Not really. Sure, every Democrat victory there's been a few whinging Republicans but never on this scale with the left right now.

Which says absolutely nothing about the question. Unless you can show that democrats consistently react so much worse to Republican victories, this really holds no weight. And even then, I think this election has seen more vitriol, attacks, scandals, divisiveness and emotional repulsion to "the other" than any other in recent history, along with the emergence and further development of new platforms of communication enabling all of the above.

I fully condemn the violent outbursts of the Democrats, but I think that any claims of "if we would've X instead, my people would never do this" are simply unfounded and pretty biased, especially given the kind of violence and harassment you've seen throughout the campaign on both sides.

And I would have said the exact same thing had Hillary won. There's shitty people on both sides here. And given the nature of this election, I think you really can't claim that it's only "the other guys" who would have reacted badly after losing.

I'm not talking about the Democrats. I'm talking about the political situation of the left, which has by and large, essentially become a basket case of perpetual victims and children that throw the toys out the pram when they don't get their way.

And no, that doesn't apply to all those who identify with the left, but there is a seriously cancerous fringe movement right now that has fragmented the left into ordinary liberals and the regressives that act like a bunch of crybullies who can't deal with political change they are not accustomed to.

You can dissociate yourself with the riots all you want, doesn't change the fact there is a problem.

You realize this is the serious board

And what about the topic does not warrant a serious discussion?

Quote from: clum clum on November 10, 2016, 08:37:23 AM

If Hillary won the Right wouldn't have reacted in such a childish, emotional, violent way.

I think that's a very baseless and unfounded statement indicating a good amount of bias.

Not really. Sure, every Democrat victory there's been a few whinging Republicans but never on this scale with the left right now.

Really, I think it boils down to the shy conservative/anti establishment phenomenon we've been seeing recently. Radical and bombastic figures secretly striking a chord with people promising drastic change. They may not reflect their opinions out in the open but they certainly show it in their voting behaviour.

So either A) they simply didn't give a fuck about letting the polls know their true beliefs, or B) they were too ashamed to admit it during the divisive atmosphere. It's probably a combination of both.

Quote from: MAGA Man on November 09, 2016, 02:29:23 PM

You going to be a semantic ass or are you going to explain why Hillary was the correct choice?

Stein was the most logical choice.

I meant as the Democrat candidate seeing as how you objected to my point about her being a disaster.

Quote from: MAGA Man on November 09, 2016, 02:19:32 PM

Quote from: Icy on November 09, 2016, 02:11:08 PM

Now that we have the 2016 Elections behind us, have any opinions changed?

Dems got eviscerated obviously.

So we're pretty much flipped 2008-2016. Democrats are without a party leader or any government majority.

Where do they go in 2018 and 2020?

No idea. Not an American political expert.

What I will say is that if they continue with this Machiavellian back stab shit then I can't see them gaining political traction in the years to come.

Now that we have the 2016 Elections behind us, have any opinions changed?

Dems got eviscerated obviously. Hillary was a disaster from day one.

The Democrats fucking over Bernie will haunt them for years to come.

Quote from: MAGA Man on November 09, 2016, 01:37:40 PM

You know, it's this kind of incessant demonization of a particular demographic that precisely allowed Trump to win the Presidency.

Turns out if you antagonize the people you disagree with, paint them as racists and oppressors and tell them that any and all of their successes are a result of some unearned "privilege," they will create a counter-revolution.

Trump is a direct result of the insipid identity politics you injected into American politics. The left have made the bed, now lie in it.

So what, we should just lie and not call racists and oppressors what they are?

Categorizing a whole voting bloc as "wacist oppressors" is exactly what's galvanizing them. It happened with the shy Tory surge and Brexit in the UK.

Maybe if you neo lefties had engaged in proper arguments, stopped ignoring the working class, respected the democratic process and didn't portray the opposite end of the political spectrum as literal monsters America wouldn't be in the position it's in.

Time to swallow that pill friendo, the regressive left is becoming a huge problem in contemporary politics, and you're part of it.

Are opinion polls even relevant any more?

First they got the UK GE wrong after the shy Tory surge, then they got Brexit wrong, and now this.

Like seriously, the most optimistic prediction for Trump was 167 electoral colleges, and now look what's happened.

I doubt (((democratic socialism))) would go down well with the American people but it would certainly be interesting to see. All the third party protest votes would've probably gone to Bernie and he might've taken a few more key states than Clinton did.

I'm also hearing from exit polls that Trump gained a higher Latino and black male vote than Romney did. Fucking hell, the Dems utterly, categorically cocked it up this year.

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/07/09/politics/donald-trump-data-pivit-2016-election/
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Quote from: Mordo on November 08, 2016, 11:49:54 PM

I don't even care about whatever Trump's policies will be. The monumental, earth shattering leftie butthurt is enough for me.

Then you are as intelligent as Deci.

If you base your support of a candidate, not on their policy, but on the fact that it pisses off the other side - that is beyond sad.

Though you're in the UK, so I'll let it slide.

I don't care because I don't live there.

If this was happening in the UK then I'd maybe be sharing some sentimentality with you burgers, but it isn't, so I'm going to sit back and laugh as the left implodes.