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The Flood / Morals are an ethereal thing
« on: May 16, 2017, 07:36:03 AM »
It makes no difference whether I morally object to something, which I often do, because morals are a man made construct. Everything is simply a part of nature, and I respect nature. Nature itself has no moral code, it simply drives everything unthinking and unfeeling, it drives all of us. That is why man made rules are so often broken, and so precious. A moral is an ethereal thing, they exist only insofar as they are constructed within someone's mind.

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The Flood / Are you down with the rectangle?
« on: May 10, 2017, 05:06:19 PM »

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So I was just in this chat room and this idiot who has this mentally disabled friend wanted their friend to come in, and they asked me out of the 3 other people in the chat room to leave because apparently their friend doesn't like being around people she's never met. I wanted to just tell her that her friend and herself could fuck off, but then I thought that that would be a bad diplomatic move, because then I would create tension between myself and other people in the chat room. So I just said oh my fucking god and I left.

None the less I feel like I could stab her retarded disabled friend. Do you ever feel the will to just beat the fucking shit out of someone much weaker than you? I feel like I could beat my fist against her stupid face and it would feel good.

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The Flood / I have this huge nasty bush on my pubes
« on: May 09, 2017, 04:38:31 PM »
Should I shave it off, or would that be gay?

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The Flood / Has political correctness gone too far?
« on: May 09, 2017, 04:24:43 PM »
This country has really gone down hill since they allowed niggers, gays, and women the right to vote.

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The Flood / Jim, I summon thee.
« on: May 09, 2017, 08:17:22 AM »
You heard of any good recent metal albums? I haven't heard anything new from the metal scene lately.

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The Flood / Yesterday I was out at lunch...
« on: May 01, 2017, 05:55:26 AM »
and I arched my back, I cocked my head back, I tucked my elbows to my side, and I screamed at the top of my lungs GLOBAL WARMING ISN'T REAAAAAL GLOBAL WARMING ISN'T REAAAAL and I got a roaring round of applause. Btw yesterday was my birthday.

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If you go into the bathroom when you're an america, when you're in the bathroom European.

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The Flood / I'm gay, no homo
« on: April 27, 2017, 09:03:16 AM »
No homo.

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The Flood / Anyone have an invite to empornium?
« on: April 17, 2017, 09:03:07 AM »
Email me at peanutbutterfollicles@gmail.com if you have an invite

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The Flood / How would you feel if a nigger was dating your daughter?
« on: April 16, 2017, 06:42:32 AM »
I am 1776.

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I'm really upset that my mom is only spending 300 dollars on presents for my birthday. There's 3 books that I wanted which I are rare collectors items, and my mom only got 2 of them. Neuromance and Dubliners, easton press copies.

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I wanna get some new kicks, I'm going to new york next friday. Gonna see a play, go to some art museums, hopefully shop at some really good clothes stores, have some nice dinners. You know it.

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The Flood / Holy shit did this forum ever die
« on: March 16, 2017, 09:02:56 PM »
My thread I made yesterday still hasn't move past the front page. I guess people finally got tired of this shitty board which was never fun or interesting in the first place. I only post here because it's bungie and bungie used to be my home.

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The Flood / Share your your favorite classic recordings itt
« on: March 15, 2017, 08:08:38 PM »
Igor Stravinsky - Le Sacre du Printemps (Orchestre National de l'O.R.T.F, Pierre Boulez, 1963)
Ravel/Prokofiev - Klavierkonzert Nr. 3, Klavierkonzert G-Dur, Gaspard De La Nuit (Martha Argerich)
Frederic Chopin - Nocturnes (Rubinstein)
Gustav Mahler - Das Lied Von Der Erde (Otto Klemperer)
Johannes Brahms - Symphony No. 4 (Karlos Kleiber)
Sir Edward Elgar - Cello Concertos/ Sea pictures (Jacueline Du Pre, Sir Barbirolli)
Bela Bartok - Complete String Quartets (takacs quartet)
Erik Satie - Gymnopedies & other piano works (pascal roge)
Johan Sebastian Bach - 6 Cello Suites (Pierre Fournier)
Schumann, Piano Quartet Op.47/ Brahms, Piano Quartet Op.60 III Andante - Verbier Festival 2008 (Menahem Pressler, Salvatore Accardo, Antoine Tamestit and Gautier Capuçon)
Debussy and Ravel String Quartets (Alban Berg Quartett)

I also really like Debussy piano works and Beethoven's string quartets, but I don't have a favorite recording of those. This is also not the only classical I listen to, it's just the stuff that is indisputably classic to me.

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The Flood / The exercise fairy
« on: March 07, 2017, 09:45:33 AM »
The exercise fairy. It sounds like a pitiful joke, that if a headline read "the exercise fairy was stepped on" you might laugh; partially at it's pitiful existence, but at the irony of such a pitiful defenseless creature being effaced. The cruel humor gives you a chance to exercise the inner desire to be cruel, in spite of the society which conditions you through the superficiality of movies and tv shows to feel that sticking up for the little guy is virtuous. The poor exercise fairy. In reality it's no different from the man who wears the banana costume outside of some icecream shop on the side of an off ramp of a highway. The exercise fairy exposes human nature in all of it's cruel malevolence.

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The Flood / This is the most moe song I've ever heard.
« on: March 04, 2017, 11:03:01 AM »
YouTube

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A dream which my mind produced as if to perpetuate the sadness I was feeling when I went to bed

This is the furthest back I can remember of this cruel dream. So it was the last day of school and I left on a group of buses that left onto a long road that led me to a small town. I remember it wasn’t quite the end of the school year yet, and I didn’t know that school was about to end. My teacher gave me an assignment which I think had something to do with a gameboy. Soon it was over and I realized that school was finally over, and I went onto a road where I walked up for a while to find a train to hop on to. I jumped onto the top of it and there were a few people there. The train took me a ways but I eventually found myself back to some buses, which seemed to be offered for free. It’s ironic to me now, but it was the last day of school and I didn’t even think about it, I didn’t have any special feelings about it whatsoever.

I then found myself in a town I found a really hot guy but he was sad and distant. He seemed to be into the same sexual fetishes as me, but he was distant and distraught the whole time. I found a toy garbage truck which I emptied out to find some old legos, but it didn’t have any cute mementos that I hoped it would have. It was in a decent size house, with a rather summery feel. There was another cute guy in the house too who was also distraught. I remember that the guy who I thought was cute yelled at or hit a young girl or something. He was very depressed, so I put my hand on his back and hugged him and said it’s okay, but then I gently asked why he hit that little girl. I don’t remember what he said, but I don’t remember taking his response as no response.  Then were were laying the the same bed, but opposite directions and not touching each other.

I wondered around town for a while and found a “food bank” in the middle of a neighborhood block, which was just concrete and dust, which somehow kept perfectly preserved food from whole foods. I went back to the house after that, then Adam Sandler showed up and I was like “oh my god adam sandler! I’ve watched Happy Gilmore like 20,000 times!” and he was like “oh, tell me more about the movies I made that were a mistake”. I told him I also liked Billy Madison and Click was “neat”, but I felt embarrassed for not knowing more of his movies (and secretly thinking the later ones suck). I noticed that there were a lot of people in the house that seemed to come with Adam Sandler. They all sort of gathered together around a table, then that hot guy gathered together with a bunch of girls that Adam Sandler brought along, and they all sang a song about being just friends.

I left the house and just wandered around, the streets seemed to be filled with people who were just sitting around them. I walked up the street a ways past some not so obvious turns around all the people, I didn’t even think about where I was going. After a ways of walking I found my father sitting on a step with a rather medieval looking helmet armor over his head (it was rather long, a dark brownish rusted looking metal, rather flat on the top and pointed in a triangular shape where the bottom and top met in the middle). He and I walked through a marketplace. He handed me a gun, it was a pretty gun, a sort of dirty yellowish color which was all metal, and a revolver. It fit nicely in a leather holster on my hip. I struggled for a while to find the safety, there seemed to be two safety buttons. The safety was on and I pointed it at the ground and it wouldn’t fire.

I was trying to find the second safety when it started sparking and smoking and I threw it on the ground. it started to slide down a small sloped incline and I ran away and ducked for cover. My dad seemed to stand there trying to wave people away. I don’t remember the gun going off, however I remember some fake medical information pertaining to my dad appearing in front of my face (he doesn’t have diabetes), then appeared with a bandage wrapped around his face and I was sitting in front of some sort of person who was saying it was saying something vague about something being against the law, something about throwing the gun into public drinking water or something. Then I woke up with the sound of why can’t we be friends by war playing through my head, reminiscent of the song sang by the group of people at the house, but different because the song they sang was about just being friends.

That concludes the dream. It was strange because I went to bed feeling really depressed and awful. I didn’t feel that way throughout the dream, but somehow like a fugue by bach, it was able to go through these counter points as if it was playing a song, and bring it back to the original feeling I had when I went to bed. It’s as if my brain was conducting an orchestrated event, without the beauty accompanying music. I woke up feeling similar to how I felt before I went to bed, because somehow my brain tied together a series of upsetting images that perpetuated the feeling, as if my brain designed this sad and stupid series of scenes itself just to make me feel as shitty as when I woke up as when I went to bed.

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The Flood / Nigger supreme
« on: February 25, 2017, 07:48:09 PM »
Hoy de hoy de hoy de hoy de hoy.

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The Flood / The Nature Of Truth
« on: February 20, 2017, 07:34:21 PM »
I’ve been thinking about what the ultimate nature of truth actually is. Every person has a different sort of truth in their mind, which is subjective to their interpretation of the world through their senses. Yet we still seem to think that there’s truth, and that there’s a right and wrong answer to something. When you think about it, everyone’s interpretations of things are just a bunch of noises and sounds and sensations of things they’ve touched, etc. We add structure to these things ourselves and make patterns off of what we’ve absorbed through our senses. I think in order to establish what is truth, you’d have to establish what is thought, because thought inexplicably takes meaningless noises and stimuli and creates some sort of meaning out of it.

When you see that the stimuli that enter the brain are ultimately meaningless, you might even say that words are ultimately meaningless. Yet human beings minds, I believe seek patterns. Perhaps patterns are what distinguish a thought from a meaningless symbol. A pattern itself is something which is meaningless with meaning attached to it; it’s a string of same things which are next to each other; next is a concept which has meaning, and so on; it’s just a never ending hierarchy of contradictions, where something that shouldn’t have any meaning keeps trying to add meaning to the next thing, but ultimately it leads nowhere. Perhaps this ultimately paradoxical endless string of meaningless patterns is the ultimate nature of truth. Truth itself is a paradox.

Yet it would seem that there’s a problem with saying that a string of meaningless symbols, adding meaning in a hierarchy of contradictions, could be the only ultimate nature of truth, because obviously there is falsehood, untruth. Perhaps in the hierarchy, when one says something false, one would attach erroneous, meaningless non sequiturs to the hierarchy, which break the chain of contradictions leading to more contradictions; of meaningless symbols leading to contradictory self referential concepts of meaning, which are paradoxical because the ultimate nature of the stimuli is meaningless. In this way, I believe the nature of truth is paradoxical, the nature of the pattern seeking mind creates an illusion of truth.

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The Flood / Look at this adorable sweater
« on: February 20, 2017, 09:15:18 AM »

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The Flood / THINGS THAT DEFINE ME
« on: February 17, 2017, 02:49:31 PM »
OUTRAGEOUS
INTELLIGENT
SASSY
CHRISTOPHER HITCHENS

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I miss them so much.

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The Flood / How the fuck did I take 4 huge shits today?
« on: February 15, 2017, 04:04:28 PM »
I didn't think I had it in me. I woke up, took a shit. An hour or two later, I took another shit. I was just laying in bed reading my book, and then I took another shit. Then a while later, I took another really big shit. I have no idea how my body is capable of producing so much waste byproduct.

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The Flood / The real reason why women hate rape
« on: February 14, 2017, 08:09:20 AM »

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The Flood / Nothing is off limits in art
« on: February 14, 2017, 07:45:18 AM »
Honestly, I feel that provocation in art is extremely important. I can’t stand it when moralizers try to step in and say “no, that’s too provocative”. I don’t think there should be any limits in art, I think art should be a medium in which anyone can express the most vile things, and the most immoral and questionable or outright shocking. It’s just art, and art is the place for that in a society which limits people’s expression in their every day action through law. If you want to limit people’s every day actions through law, then limiting their art too is just an attempt at total subversion of the human will to that of the group. You can control people’s actions, but you can’t control people’s minds. Nothing in art is off limits, art is supposed to be and should be as provocative as possible.

I also think that one of the ways that people try to moralize society, is through moral dogmas, creating things that are socially taboo. This idea seems to trace back to plato, where in he described his utopia as one where he’d ban all play writes and poets, because they could corrupt the minds of the citizens. Authoritarianism, and I believe to a large extent Christian dogma, going back all the way to the time of Plato, is responsible for the trend of moralizing that we see in society these days. I believe everyone should read the 120 days of sodom, everyone should watch john waters movies,  everyone should listen to throbbing gristle, I believe everyone should subvert culturally accepted norms. A society which accepts human nature is one which is better for everyone, fuck law and order.

I have a problem with the idea of “law and order”. It seems that the idea of subverting the human will to an established idea of rules and norms; in itself, aside from the idea of making certain things off limits because they feel it will corrupt people; is problematic. The idea of creating laws and having people follow them presupposes that the person making the laws is the ultimate authority on what is good and what is bad. But who can be the ultimate ruler, who can be the ultimate arbitrator of what is good and what is bad? Plato himself saw this as a problem, what is justice, what is good, can you find a truly wise person to lead a society? His solution to it was total subversion of the will, authoritarianism, a society completely under control.

That is where the idea becomes troublesome, because this subversion of people leads to the authoritarian dogma of plato. A dogma is something which is arbitrarily stated can’t be said or done. But the human mind can’t be subverted by laws, there’s no ultimately cohesive law which can bind all of society together. Because no one operates on any fundamental laws; and if there were any ultimately cohesive laws, society would already be functioning under them; no one can really be expected to follow an arbitrary law, outside of even provocative art. Not to mention, art without provocation is nothing but insipid, bland, moralizing pap. You might as well just watch veggie tales or christian cartoons, because there’s no good art which isn’t provocative in some way.

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The Flood / I would like to share my top 100 albums as of 2017
« on: February 12, 2017, 06:40:03 AM »


Open it in a new tab to see the full picture.

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The Flood / This forum is like all the worst parts of bungie.net
« on: February 10, 2017, 06:55:39 PM »
This forum is all the stupid, unintelligent parts of bungie.net. Bungie.net was a mixture of stupid shit posting and trolling and intelligent and interesting personalities. All there is here is rude shit posting and a bogged down version of what existed on bungie.

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Serious / The Dogma of Human Nature
« on: February 07, 2017, 08:23:55 AM »
I just finished reading the introduction to the new translation of The 120 Days of Sodom by Marque De Sade. I found myself smiling a lot at the stories of his actual life, he was a wrongfully persecuted hero of sexual desire. A man with such passion, leading such an interesting life, only deserves praise. Even spending large amounts of time in jail; narrowly escaping death, writing enduring works of fiction to last throughout centuries, and living a life of sexual excess; he’s out lived most of the people who would ever live. His work surviving today, overcoming the dogma of moralists who try to ban it, is proof of it’s influence on sexually liberating the society as we see it today. No less being published in a time when homosexual sodomy was considered a “capital offense”. You wonder when these conservative dip shits will realize they’ve been going back against the tide for eons.

I find on my own terms, aside from these works of fiction, that the attitude towards sexuality in society is abhorrent. Look at the way that people respond to sexual fetishes, like the ABDL community, the furry community, fandoms of pony shows, scat lovers. All of these are very valid forms of sexual expression, they all give their participants sexual satisfaction. While people may not be actively morally crusading against these sorts of things, there is still an inherent “shock value”. People look at these sorts of works with disgust. I’m going to shift for a second from argument to rant. These people who feel disgust at things which immediately make them uncomfortable, are displaying conservative attitudes, which disgust me. You dip shits who cast your judgment on others simply because you don’t share the same pleasures as someone else, fail to reconcile with human nature.

It offends me that human nature can become “taboo”. Why do we cover up parts of our society, and act like they don’t exist? We do this by banning books, we do this by putting people on trial in the court of public opinion. That aforementioned conservative feeling of disgust, is the precursor to this collective condemnation of any - not just sexual - acts deemed socially unacceptable. The same thing is happening right now with transgender people as it’s been happening for hundreds of years with homosexuals. The public is ignorant and stupid, they base their conjectures off of erroneous ideas, such as the idea that pornography, music, video games, literature, or movies can corrupt the minds of people; or that homosexuality is a “sin”, or that god exists; all of the concepts of religion fall into this category as well.

You will not eliminate sexual desire by trying to eliminate traces of it from human nature, because it is innate in our nature. Just look at priests who copulate with little boys or have homosexual intercourse while preaching about how these things are sinful, only to turn around and say they’ve repented for what they’ve done. I believe that the church plays a large role in this dogma of human nature. While the church may be only a reflection, ironically, of man’s own innate tendency to make those aforementioned erroneous conjectures, it is an institution of it’s own, whose purpose is not to understand the nature of man, but to control it. It’s this ignorance which I believe is a damaging idea to the nature of humanity, and I believe only on conjecture, that years of this institutionalization of the denial and dogma of human nature, has become pervasive and a socially ingrained phenomena.

It’s the reason why people feel this inherent revulsion. Perhaps young children not exposed to these ideas of prejudice wouldn’t feel these prejudices as adults, when they’re old enough to make up their own minds about the world. That is one of the ways that religion gets people to become religious, is through centuries of societal ingraining, brainwashing children at a young age when they’re susceptible to believe lies and santa clause, believing in these things because it’s socially acceptable to believe in it, and it was told to them when they were children, and there’s a fear of not believing in it instilled into them. This same fear and dogma is evident in the way that people feel towards sexual “perversions”, or “anything that’s not vanilla sex”. Even if it isn’t an institutional persecution of these acts, through the exercising of power through law enforcement, it’s shown in people’s inherent gut reactions to these things. The societal fear and ingraining which makes people act out of collective consciousness, instead of individual

Furthermore, I fantasize of a world, where people aren’t influenced by societal dogma, and accept things purely as human nature. I’ve been neglecting until now to mention groups of people who I have defended throughout many of my writings; pedophiles, rapists, murderers. These are also classes of human nature, which I must in order to be intellectually consistent, also defend. These are also aspects of human nature, which moralists can’t account for. Supposedly, in a world where the supposed “causes” of these phenomena are eliminated; whether it be through banning music, movies, video games, pornography, books; they conclude that they will eliminate these things from society itself. Not so. These are also parts of human nature, the parts of human nature that no one wants to admit is a part of human nature. Even though the methods of murder become justified, when it’s soldiers doing it over seas. When it’s seen as something that effects another group, not our own, then it’s justifiable. Hence why we think it’s okay to kill murderers, another example of this in group, out group dichotomy. Hypocrisy.

All forms of punishment are examples of tribalism, of this in group, out group dichotomy. Of course, intellectuals realize this and understand that they can behave independently on their own jurisdiction, not partaking in acts that they feel themselves are morally reprehensible, such as copulating with children, or murdering people, or raping people. Empathetic intellectuals realizes that they can read works like the 120 days of sodom, and not go and do all of the things entailed in that book, they can watch horror movies and not go murdering people, they can listen to rap music and not go selling drugs; the empathetic intellectuals realize they can sympathize with people and not hate them because they’re “supposed to” who commit socially atrocious crimes, and not be criminals themselves. This is the point that I hope stays with you most strongly. I do not have to love the things that people do, but to make a judgment on the indifferent, moral vacuum of human nature, where your morals are barred by their arbitrariness, and indifference of the cosmos itself; you’re essentially wasting your energy.

It’s funny, how society seems to embrace ideas of hatred as morally justifiable. As we hypocritically kill people over seas from America, and execute prisoners for the crime of killing another human being from our group; we adopt the philosophy of the Ku Klux Klan, in hating our fellow human beings in ways that we see as morally justifiable. Funny, how even in movies like star wars idea that embracing feelings of hatred is embracing the dark side, it would seem that there’s many cultural signs that have tried to warn us about embracing hatred. All of these things which we try to condemn as a society, in the vast cosmic plane, there is moral indifference. We are responsible for all of the morals that we construct. Whether it be innocuous things, which harm no one, like a sexual fetish, or a sexual orientation, or a different gender identity, or a race; to things that are actually harmful like murdering people, pedophilia, and raping; we should accept all of these aspects as simply human, and reject the dogma of human nature.

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