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46471
« on: December 11, 2014, 06:05:25 PM »
subgenres don't help me at all
what am i supposed to infer if a song is classified as "fucknut shriveldick acid house" or whatever
if the song is good, the song is good
genre is irrelevant
46472
« on: December 11, 2014, 06:03:20 PM »
Because you'd rather make things harder for yourself, got it. it's not hard at all >listen to a new song >like it or >listen to a new song >dislike it wow what a ball buster i almost broke a sweat
46473
« on: December 11, 2014, 06:01:56 PM »
You wouldn't last in a metal community is that a challenge? i'll join a metal forum, and in their introduction thread, i'll post something like, "Hi, I'm Verb. I've been a fan of metal music for some time now. These are my favorite bands:" And then discreetly attach "Tool" in there somewhere. do you think people would die if i did that
46474
« on: December 11, 2014, 05:59:00 PM »
And yet we've been telling you why they're there and why they're important and I STILL don't find them important
46475
« on: December 11, 2014, 05:56:17 PM »
Did I ever say otherwise? No but that's why it's stupid to argue because that's exactly what i've been saying i don't care about subgenres-- at alllllll
46476
« on: December 11, 2014, 05:55:25 PM »
gg reading the rest of my post thanks i didn't care enough about the rest of the post to respond to it i'd probably immerse myself in metal communities for decades, and i'd still consider tool to be progressive metal
46477
« on: December 11, 2014, 05:53:04 PM »
I said "some classical music will be completely different from other classical music". so right there in that very sentence, you are conceding that all classical music is classical music no matter what subgenre it is Why would someone ever go to Wikipedia for music? so i can learn about music
46478
« on: December 11, 2014, 05:49:33 PM »
I never said that song is Metal. it was heavily implied heavier than the metal that tool clearly is
46479
« on: December 11, 2014, 05:48:10 PM »
so if wikipedia is generally not a good source for music genres
why don't you edit it
that's what wikipedia is for
apparently music snobs are really, really stupid
46480
« on: December 11, 2014, 05:46:35 PM »
b-b-b-b-b-but suck my dik fgt oh okay so swamp song is metal i'm listening to it right now this is... absolutely indistinguishable from their other music (in terms of genre) same guitars same drums same vocals tool's totally not metal though, because: ...
46481
« on: December 11, 2014, 05:44:25 PM »
it almost seems like you just don't WANT tool to be metal
46482
« on: December 11, 2014, 05:41:30 PM »
No, you've just chosen to ignore the reasons WHY it isn't metal. Music theory reasons, which apply to all music and how they fall into genres. You know, like I tried to explain about classical genres? yeah, and you sucked the big one at that, too you're the only person i know who can say stuff like "some classical music isn't classical music" be right back, i'm gonna go listen to some metal music like tool
46483
« on: December 11, 2014, 05:37:42 PM »
Tool is objectively not Metal you've done an unbelievably shitty job of proving that in fact... you didn't
46484
« on: December 11, 2014, 05:34:31 PM »
The latter is irrelevant. But it is what I'm talking about. I don't care if you find it irrelevant.
46485
« on: December 11, 2014, 05:33:02 PM »
You seem to forget that I don't care what you think. Nor does anyone else. okay Tool is metal. get pissed please
46486
« on: December 11, 2014, 05:31:39 PM »
And we're talking about their differences, not the fact they're both sandwiches. No. You might be talking about the former, but since the very beginning, I've been talking about the latter. I'm saying metal is TOO BROAD not to include Tool in it.
46487
« on: December 11, 2014, 05:29:45 PM »
HAHA no. A "sub sandwich" is not the same as a "burger". That is a fact. and you're an idiot if you think that's what i'm saying a sub is not a burger a sub is a sandwich a burger is a sandwich a sub and a burger are both sandwiches this is first grade shit
46488
« on: December 11, 2014, 05:28:27 PM »
I would also like to point out that Metalheads are more serious about genres because of the cultural aspects of Metal. It's silly and ridiculous mostly, but it's part of the culture, and if you don't like it then stay out. okay so what terms should i use, if metal is wrong i don't agree with progressive rock, at all when i think rock, i think rolling stones i don't fucking think tool so i need terminology outside of "metal" i guess, because when it comes to music genres, the only thing i care about is the sound itselfnot what MAKES UP the sound, necessarily--just the sound. that is ALL i care about i think that's all anyone should care about, unless you yourself want to make music
46489
« on: December 11, 2014, 05:23:55 PM »
Oh I forgot to add that most Modern Prog had a tendency to "mature", but it depends. Tool is hard to classify because they have a unique sound, but I mostly hear Progressive Rock and Grunge. and i hear metal so what someone said progressive metal? i think that's a reasonable classification, given your description but that would still make it metal in a broad sense
46490
« on: December 11, 2014, 05:20:29 PM »
A sub is a different kind of sandwich than others. But is it the same as other sandwiches? No. awesome that's never what i was trying to say so... that's YOUR misinterpretation
46491
« on: December 11, 2014, 05:18:30 PM »
But it's different from a burger, and especially different from an open face sandwich, which I argue isn't even a sandwich at all. if it's not a sandwich, but it has "sandwich" in its name, it's called a misnomer i don't know what an open face sandwich is, so i'll ignore that example i consider burgers sandwiches too. what i'm getting from this is that you people just don't like speaking in broad terms when it comes to music. ...i do. i don't see why it's even a big deal
46492
« on: December 11, 2014, 05:15:22 PM »
also, i don't really understand what progressive rock even really is, but whenever i ask that, people usually tell me to listen to comfortably numb by pink floyd
take the song comfortably numb
and then take vicarious by tool
say the words, "these two songs are the same genre"
aaand you have the stupidest possible statement
ever
46493
« on: December 11, 2014, 05:14:31 PM »
THEY ARE NOT, THAT'S WHY THERE ARE SUBGENRES.
Did you not read the rest of the post explaining how or why? THE CORE OF MUSICAL THEORY IS BASED AROUND GENRES AND THE STRUCTURE OF MUSIC AND IS EXACTLY WHY CLASSICAL MUSIC HAS SUBGENRES. The classical music of Bach is not going to be the same as that of Claude Debussy BECAUSE THEY ARE IN A DIFFERENT CATEGORY AND MUSICAL STRUCTURE.
that's like saying a sub isn't a sandwich because it's a sub, not a sandwich
46494
« on: December 11, 2014, 05:09:32 PM »
Classical music has subgenres, yes, but it does NOT make them the same at all. "they're the same genre, but they're not the same genre" wow fuck this
46495
« on: December 11, 2014, 05:08:11 PM »
Second of all, I don't really give a shit about genres in the grand scheme of things, but they help classify what music you like. That way, instead of saying "hey I would like some metal recs" and getting Tool as a response, you can say "Hey I like Black Metal and Doom Metal, favorites are Darkthrone and Candlemass, recs?" i agree, if you wanted to listen to black metal or doom metal and got tool as a response, that would be obnoxious good thing i never said anything about black metal or doom metal Theoretically, yes Well, that's the stupidest thing I ever heard. So, what about people like me? You know, people who don't give a cunt about the tempo or the fucking time signature or any of that shit? What would I ask? Because if I asked for metal, and you gave me Tool, I'd be happy. If you gave me Iron Maiden, I'd be just as happy. Because they're like Tool, but different! you're acting like i'm trying to say justin bieber is metal
46496
« on: December 11, 2014, 05:01:51 PM »
you are a fucking idiot if you think composition doesn't affect how something sounds. so if i sped up a song using youtube's speed-up thing i could change the song's genre? because i'm changing the tempo, which is part of the composition and that apparently makes all the difference you need to have different genres
46497
« on: December 11, 2014, 04:58:44 PM »
You DO realize there are also different genres of classical music, right? Romantic, Baroque, etc? yes but they're still classical musicjust like tool is just a different kind of metal, but it's still metal
46498
« on: December 11, 2014, 04:56:54 PM »
That's not the same thing. Religion is a belief. Beliefs can be right or wrong, it's just not certain. This is more of concepts of classifying music which is totally different. If everyone starting calling all Metal Country, and all Country Metal, the definitions of the two genres would change to fit the music. There are certain things that are defined by majority rule. Music classification is one of them.
well, i guess i'm starting a movement then
46499
« on: December 11, 2014, 04:55:04 PM »
it's just like... so, so, so obvious to me that tool is metal
one of those things where it's hard to explain without sounding too condescending?
because i'd have to use very basic terms
46500
« on: December 11, 2014, 04:52:15 PM »
One in the same according to Verb kinda, yeah
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