bayonetta never came close to winning the smash ballot and sakurai was just setting out to piss ME off specifically

this is one of those cases where he doesnt really need an argument

arguing for the objectively wrong, fucked up side might get you points in Debate II but it doesn't make that side remotely right

like you're cool being contrary but the guy was a complete monster and deserves zero sympathy

do you think i didn't see you nail that poor innocent little gay boy to a cross last night

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You can make all these excuses for him - he was of sound mind,

i mean that's demonstrably not true

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had tons more advantages than most people, and still did that bullshit.

- was black american
- poor
- from florida
- severe mental illness
- no father, incapable mother (she was sick afaik)

and everything except the gay thing are all allegations, which again if you go back to the lena dunham thread you'll see you actually agree with me

lmao dude he was famous and rich

Winona Ryder was famous and rich yet she stole that jacket.

the reason she stole it was because of her depression

did X beat up random people and his pregnant girlfriend because of his depression lmao

it was because of some other mental illness though

people don't just beat up random people for no reason unless there's something wrong with them

Why are people using this as some thinly veiled excuse? You do realise there are plenty of people out there who tick all of XXXTesticle's criteria and don't do anything even remotely close to what he did?

almost like everyone is different or something

I care about the picture ember posted, and that no one disputed any of those things that happened.

mainly because they're allegations (as far as i know), so they kinda dispute themselves

except for the jail beating, which he has talked about

i personally don't really give a fuck what prisoners (aka shit people) do to each other, as long as it isn't overboard, and rape is going overboard—if i were made to feel threatened or vulnerable in prison, i would defend myself, too, so it's difficult for me to hold that incident against him

the other stuff is indefensible, but there's also no proof (as far as i'm aware) of any of it happening, and i don't really care enough to look into it because i'm not into X like that, i just liked his music

I don't understand the question. All nin is dance music.

maybe 20% if i'm super generous

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X: kill everyone, I will fuck your under-age sister, i wanna die, rape people *literally beats a pregnant woman*
People: *jokes about X dying*
X fans: could u b more sensitive pls ;((((

i am a better person than you because it has never once been my first reaction to joke about it when someone dies, no matter how shitty of a person they may have been

Yeah okay bud, try and contain your edgy contrarian behaviour when Trump dies then. You are after all, a better person when your first reaction is to not joke about someone dying, no matter how shitty of a person they may have been.

Fuck outta my face.

oh trust me, NOTHING i say about trump after he dies will be a joke

trust me

My enjoyment of his music and appreciation of him as an artist let’s me completely overlook any bad things he did, just being honest

this basically

separation of art and artist is an extremely important principle

Yeah, the song actually has a place in The Downward Spiral's narrative and was never really intended to be a party song, or a glorification of sex. The album follows a hedonist who fucks his life up and throws it down the toilet, culminating in his suicide—it's more or less an indictment of the "sex, drugs, and rock & roll" lifestyle that many rockstars, including Reznor himself, tended to lead. Or at least, that's how I've always heard it.

The first half of the album shows his more hedonistic side, except for "Mr. Self Destruct," which always read to me as a sort of in media res style opening. "Closer" is the most overtly hedonistic song on the album, after which the true downward spiral really begins as the consequences of the protagonist's behavior start to catch up with him.

So, is "Closer" a sex song? Yes and no, let's go over all the lyrics to see why.

You let me violate you
You let me desecrate you
You let me penetrate you
You let me complicate you

The first verse doesn't do a whole lot for me other than establish that this is indeed a song about fucking. But there's more to it than that.

The "you let me complicate" you line to end the stanza is the most interesting part, as the song begins to hint at making a somewhat broader statement. Sex being the very carnal act that it is, it seems somewhat ironic that having it with could potentially complicate our relationships with people, creating all sorts of attachment and entitlement issues after the fact. Trent delves deeper into this later.

(Help me) I broke apart my insides
(Help me) I've got no soul to sell
(Help me) The only thing that works for me
Help me get away from myself

The pre-chorus. Okay, so clearly, he's saying that the euphoria achieved from sex is the only thing that makes his shit life worth living to him. It's one of the only things that gives his life meaning. The other, of course, being drugs. Engaging in these types of behaviors allows him to escape, or get away from himself. At this point, it becomes clear how much the narrator loathes himself.

I wanna fuck you like an animal
I wanna feel you from the inside
I wanna fuck you like an animal
My whole existence is flawed
You get me closer to God

And then we reach the main chorus, which is the only part of the song people remember or care to listen to, which is why it has the reputation it does. Yeah, these lines are pretty audacious, especially for 1994, but there's a little more to them than meets the ear.

The infamous "fuck you like animal" lyric is actually pretty cool, because it puts everything I've said so far into one line in SUCH a blunt and frank fashion, that it's difficult to assume he's trying to say anything deeper—but I maintain that he is. This isn't just some horndog song saying "I want to fuck you" to be edgy and cool. This is the narrator admitting outright that the reason he wants to have cheap, animalistic sex is because it keeps him from nihilist hell.

The "you get me closer to god" is the line no one thinks about, but should, because it reveals the song's intentions quite plainly.

You can have my isolation
You can have the hate that it brings
You can have my absence of faith
You can have my everything

Sex is how he takes out all his baggage and frustrations with the world. It's a TOTAL release; it's not just for fun, it's how he functions.

It's important to note at this point—with all this "you you you" stuff, it should become apparent to the listener at this point that he only wants to take out his own shit and foist it upon his partner. He doesn't care about his partner's baggage. He doesn't care about his partner at all, because it's all about him and his problems.

(Help me) You tear down my reason
(Help me) It's your sex I can smell
(Help me) You make me perfect
Help me become somebody else

Just reinforcing statements made earlier, really.

The chorus is heard a second time, until the sick instrumental part comes in, where we eventually hear this whispered, muffled lyrics that I'm sure most casual listeners don't know are an important part of the song:

Through every forest
Above the trees
Within my stomach
Scraped off my knees
I drink the honey
Inside your hive
You are the reason
I stay alive

Some of Trent's best and most beautiful lyrics are on TDS, and this is overall my favorite part of the song. It wraps up all the points made rather nicely, and the poetic style of the lyrics contrasts jarringly with the blunt nature of the song's chorus.

Literal interpretations aside, the song can be looked upon as a diary entry of sorts. You have the narrator more or less confessing all these dark thoughts going on in his mind—how sex is the only thing that makes him feel complete, makes him feel closer to god, etc—he talks about feeling hated, isolated, lonely, godless—but most importantly, the only thing that allows him to feel any form of release whatsoever is taking advantage of and having power over someone else's body. There's no love or affection in anything he does. He only does it to feel better about himself—pretty much exactly as you would a drug.

It's not a happy or fun concept, and the song was never meant to be fun or happy. The fact that it can function as a party song was more of an accident, but knowing it's the song that catapulted NIN into super stardom is still pretty cool.

To this day, it's probably in my top 3 NIN singles, and it also happens to have the greatest music video of ALL time:

Wouldn't that make it a remaster or remake?

that's one way to look at it, it wouldn't be a true sequel in either case

nintendo has since officially confirmed that ultimate is a smash 5, not a smash 4.5

i still don't personally feel like they've shown us anything to justify calling it a sequel—once they show me a story mode, maybe i'll change my mind

I think I picked the worst first song to listen to from him https://youtu.be/FAucVNRx_mU?t=42s

But yeah, that's plain awful man, 20 years old, that's way too young to go. RIP.

yeah 17 is not a great album

here's a couple good ones

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He should be shot for having a name like that

What made you think posting this was a good idea?

Cause he's a piece of human garbage. Nothing of value has been lost.

but he didn't vote for trump

Who?

one of the better soundcloud rappers

sad to hear, hope he makes it—wonder what he got himself into this time

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verb hurry the fuck up and watch ajin and black lagoon

i need a reason to watch ajin, and i'm gonna hate black lagoon just so you know

Well, I'm sure we all modify our personalities somewhat to present ourselves differently on this site, or at the least try to cover up perceived imperfections. We may have a specific persona for this community, and behave differently in other places.

You're right though, I came from a place of "I don't really care if someone's a man or woman" - but obviously if I found out that someone I had known for a long time had simply put on an act I would feel confused and maybe betrayed, It would be as if the person I thought I knew would have passed away (even though they never existed).

yeah that's the thing, in a perfect vacuum, it really wouldnt matter what sex you are or claim to be

but the thing about liars is that they tend to lie a lot, about a lot of things—and even if they don't, intelligent people would know to question everything you say or do from that point on, and it's really damaging for any kind of relationships you want to have online, platonic or otherwise