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2671
« on: July 06, 2018, 11:52:19 AM »
you first OP
2672
« on: July 06, 2018, 11:44:39 AM »
What about the fact that several animals suffer when they're not treated that way? Not milking cows can have pretty serious negative effects for their health and the same applies for other animals (sheep not being shaved, for example). Should we just stop milking or shaving them and just accept that it will harm millions of animals or do you suggest we do those things but then just throw away and waste all of the resources?
i don't know for sure, but i'd imagine that's only because those particular animals were so heavily specialized to BE exploited, that not exploiting them for their materials would also be harmful to them in the way you noted animals bred in this fashion should, frankly, be put out of their misery—it's not like they'll be able to survive in the wild, or anything if this remains true of farm animals that are not specialized, i'm not sure if any such animals even exist at this point, and i guess i would need to see the studies before making any concrete statements on that
2673
« on: July 06, 2018, 11:38:33 AM »
Is free-range farming a cow for milk / cheese okay?
nope, because that cow's milk is still not really for you to consume, and the cow itself still does not exist for you to exploit, even if you treat it as nicely as possible
i'd have to concede that it's much less shitty to do it that way (or at least, the idea of it is), but it's still highly unnecessary
how do you feel about free range chickens for eggs?
i feel like "free range" in general is a meme used to obfuscate what actually goes on, just to reassure people and make them feel like they're not actually doing anything unethical good article on the subject that will be disregarded as biased and non-factual
2674
« on: July 06, 2018, 11:29:26 AM »
For you.
Do you think being misinformed is why more people arent vegan?
in this day and age, not really—or at least, it's not the biggest reason anymore, but it may have been in the past i think most people know in their hearts that veganism is just the way to go in the current year they just don't do it, or find excuses not to do it, out of laziness, apathy, and the fact that they're literally addicted
2675
« on: July 06, 2018, 04:19:14 AM »
Is free-range farming a cow for milk / cheese okay?
nope, because that cow's milk is still not really for you to consume, and the cow itself still does not exist for you to exploit, even if you treat it as nicely as possible i'd have to concede that it's much less shitty to do it that way (or at least, the idea of it is), but it's still highly unnecessary
2676
« on: July 05, 2018, 11:35:17 PM »
That guide really underestimates how bad vegan food tastes like.
i think you're overestimating how much it matters vegan food could taste like literal, actual shit, and i wouldn't stop being a vegan or being an advocate it helps that it actually doesn't taste that bad, though
2677
« on: July 05, 2018, 11:32:17 PM »
#6 I don’t have an argument but I’ll still eat meat because it’s delicious.
a more honest way of saying that would be "because i'm addicted and i don't care"
2678
« on: July 05, 2018, 11:31:34 PM »
you forgot the most important and easily justified reason
they're tasty
that's not a reason why you'd think eating animals is okay that's a reason why you eat animals two different questions nobody who thinks it's okay to eat animals on the SOLE BASIS that they taste good is a person i'm willing to take seriously, because the counterarguments against that position are so obvious and facile that it's a complete waste of time and effort
2679
« on: July 05, 2018, 06:26:12 PM »
I don't think it's right to kill animals, but cutting meats from my diet won't improve my health or change the market any significant manner. It also wouldn't make me a better person.
Yes it would, no it wouldn't but that's not the point, and yes it would.
It's healthy to moderate your meats and cut back every so often. As for being a better person, leaving such an insignificant impact over a choice during my life shouldn't be concerning. Environmentally, it would make me a better person. It wouldn't make much of a difference unless there are more noticeable drops in consumers. Otherwise, it's not like becoming a vegan would make me any less of an asshole.
I think there's a lot more to becoming a better person than the ability or capacity to make widespread social change. You'll probably never make any real impact on anything in life, let alone this—but I don't see why that should preclude you from the "is a good person" club. Maybe not the good person club, but the better person club. Maybe no one is capable of being good, but everyone is capable of being better.
2680
« on: July 05, 2018, 05:56:03 PM »
I don't think it's right to kill animals, but cutting meats from my diet won't improve my health or change the market any significant manner. It also wouldn't make me a better person.
Yes it would, no it wouldn't but that's not the point, and yes it would.
2681
« on: July 05, 2018, 05:40:38 PM »
Not gonna go through all of it but I'm immediately skeptical of any activist site or group that make claims like "scientists have proven that X" when this is not only contested/challenged but also ignores crucial parts of the research at hand. This is literally the second point out of the list of 49 and I already have issues trusting their other claims. If you ever want to win people over and build a proper argument, don't do this stuff. It only hurts your credibility.
Don't see anything wrong with the claim. My response to the same argument was better anyway, so substitute mine for theirs if you absolutely must. Otherwise, there's nothing wrong with challenging the concept that humans are indisputably at the top of the food chain, because that's really only insofar as our technological advancement goes. Try fighting a lion naked.
2682
« on: July 05, 2018, 05:00:18 PM »
I followed the thread fine on mobile.
fair enough, i've just heard that spoiler tags don't work on mobile or something
2683
« on: July 05, 2018, 04:30:41 PM »
if you're on mobile, stop being a peasant and get on your desktop instead otherwise, this thread isn't gonna work for you Why do you think it's okay to kill animals for food? #1. Because they're just animals. We may be animals, too, but they're still below us on the food chain. You simply cannot compare a human with an animal, because we evolved to be superior to them. Ah, the classic "speciesist" argument—the belief that humans are inherently "superior" to livestock, because a human is a human is a cow is a cow. Mindless bigotry combined with toxic "might makes right" philosophy. Anything that you can overpower is yours to overpower, and it doesn't matter if it's right or wrong, because they're not gonna be able to do anything about it anyway. So, if an advanced alien race invaded us from the cosmos and decided to enslave and consume the entire human race, because they're stronger than us, and we have no chance of fighting back, we should just accept our fate. We can still try to fight them, but if we lose, we lose, and they'll have carte blanche over all humanity. That's what you'd be okay with. #1a. I wouldn't be okay with that, actually. As a human, I want the human race to continue to survive, so if we were destroyed by aliens more powerful than us, there may not be anything we can do about it, but it still wouldn't be right. Perhaps you should consider applying those morals to the lesser beings that you consume. If you don't see what makes it okay for an extraterrestrial race to consume humans, to not apply the same standard across the board would be a basic example of hypocrisy.
#1b. Yes, I would be okay with that. Your sense of ethics is dogshit—borderline insane—but at least you're consistent.
#2. Because wild animals eat each other all the time. Some of them are carnivorous, and can't even survive unless they consume another animal's flesh. What makes it so different for us? It's just natural. https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-natureThere are a lot of perfectly natural things about the world that are decidedly not good or okay. Disease is natural, so I guess we should just throw out all of our vaccines and all of our medicine, and just allow natural forces to destroy our bodies from the inside out. Don't try to stop it, it's just nature. Or, we can say "fuck that," continue using medicine, continue wearing clothes, continue using technology, and continue using the reasoning brains we've been given to make the world a better and more rational place for life to exist in—not in the name of nature, but in spite of nature. The one thing that separates humans from animals is that animals can't reason. We have a brain that we can consciously use for good, ethical, or altruistic purposes. Animals obviously don't, and while that may not make us superior to animals, in the sense that it gives us the right to exploit them—No, what it does is behoove us to be smart, responsible, and compassionate. Just because animals can't do that doesn't mean we can't, or that we should stoop to their level. That's retarded. What you're basically suggesting for us to do is to regress, and reduce ourselves to the stupid, primitive animals that we evolved from, functioning solely on our most base and carnal desires. Why are you like this? #2a. I just don't think it's right to assume you know better than nature. "Nature" doesn't "know" anything. Nature is not a person. Nature is not a god. Nature is a deterministic force—it has no thoughts, it's just a perpetual yet seemingly inescapable influence on the physical world. Luckily for us, however, it does not have a total stranglehold on reality. Using our intelligence, we can influence the influencer, and practically bend it to our will, just like we've been doing for millennia. The fact that human beings, as weak and frail and fragile as we are, became the most "successful" species on the planet should be proof positive to you that nature does not completely own us. If it did, we wouldn't be ruling the world right now.
We can rule it, and we can also defy and reject it. We don't have to reduce ourselves to stupid animals. So let's not. That's, more or less, what our intelligence is for.
#3. Because I can. Humans are omnivores, after all. The ability to do something, unfortunately, does not give you the right to do it. You're going to need more robust reasoning than that. #3a. I don't care. I don't need to justify myself to you. "Go fuck yourself" is the only appropriate response to anything resembling this. This applies to any subject. #4. Some people need to eat meat. There are certain nutrients that can't easily be found in a plant-based diet, like vitamin B12. Let's not play games—You don't get enough vitamins, you don't care about your health. And even if you do, you're not a dietitian, and you don't know shit about shit. This is just a lazy excuse. B12 can be supplemented easily. They're called... vitamin supplements. They're available everywhere, and if you truly cared at all about your health, you should probably be ingesting a bunch of these anyway, because no one is getting enough of their most essential vitamins. Alternatively, you can look around for fortified foods that have B12 in them. It's not difficult, it's not hard. You just have to know and pay attention to what you're doing. You just don't want to because it requires you to put a little bit more effort into what you're buying at the grocery store, because you normally don't put any thought into it at all. As for protein, there are numerous sources of protein in many plant-based foods. There's beans, nuts, legumes, lentils, mushrooms, and more. You can even substitute your precious meat for soy-based analogues that taste remotely similar, even if they're not perfect. #4a. Yeah, but aren't those things all pretty expensive? I don't know if I can afford vegan products. Or find them, for that matter. You can. Look harder.
If you truly can't, consider doing something about it. Move out. Go to stores you've never visited before. Find shit online. If you can't, but you're still wiling to, then at least your heart is in the right place, and I have nothing to spite you for, really.
Most of you can, but just aren't willing to.
this isn't complete, and i was planning on building upon it later but then i noticed that someone already did it way better than me, oops
2684
« on: July 05, 2018, 01:27:10 PM »
is this....a JOJO REFERENCE XDDDDDD
look at this duuuude, hes doing a pose MUST BE THE WORK OF A ENEMY STAND XZDXDDXDZDZSXF>FSDVAHJFTSTYKXJ
how does it feel to have shit taste
you have fallen so far, it is unbelievable
2685
« on: July 05, 2018, 11:29:16 AM »
they're all garbage, but josuke and jotaro are the worst
2686
« on: July 04, 2018, 10:56:46 PM »
woah desty just got fucking backwatered
2687
« on: July 04, 2018, 10:00:38 PM »
aren't you nobody?
2688
« on: July 04, 2018, 08:55:29 PM »
i don't care enough to watch this video but that last video he made that you're talking about was 120% on point
2689
« on: July 04, 2018, 05:22:27 PM »
He played is like a damn fiddle
2690
« on: July 04, 2018, 10:10:31 AM »
I just see DLC like a dessert
Do I still feel hungry after the main course? If not, cool. I've had my fill, I'm content.
Do I want more? Okay, let's pay a bit extra.
a fair analogy, but my issue is that i'm ordering a chocolate fudge sundae, but i'm only getting one or two scoops of some shitty storebought vanilla ice cream which may or may not be expired a couple days i've seriously never seen a DLC package that is 100% worth the price you pay for it
2691
« on: July 03, 2018, 10:49:20 PM »
seizes
what are you trying to point out here
oh, you think i'm confusing it with "ceases" because you're stupid and you don't realize that both terms work in this context
Seize and desist
it's called an eggcorn
2692
« on: July 03, 2018, 10:44:53 PM »
seizes
what are you trying to point out here oh, you think i'm confusing it with "ceases" because you're stupid and you don't realize that both terms work in this context
2693
« on: July 03, 2018, 03:27:27 PM »
not that playtime is the only metric to consider when evaluating a game's monetary value, it's just the simplest one
2694
« on: July 03, 2018, 03:16:11 PM »
Dark Souls DLC is fine to me. When you have a fully complete game, especially one that's supposed to be the last in the series (as with DKS3) paying 20 bucks for a true add-on to that game is worth it in my eyes.
DLC like Destiny had on the other hand, which is basically just selling cut content, is a shit anti-consumer practice that needs to go extinct.
so you think that DLC was worth 33% of the entire base game experience
It has to be good enough. I was fine with paying 20 bucks for The Ringed City DKS3 DLC because it was full of good content to me. Ashes of Ariandel was good too but was a bit short. I figured it would've been priced better at 15 bucks.
i'm glad you were satisfied with your purchase personally, i have over ~120 hours clocked into my dark souls playthrough at the moment—i'm gonna need more than a couple hours of extra vapid entertainment to justify a $20 purchase, and frankly, that's not worth $5 to me for $20, i basically want enough content to justify an entirely new game—not a small expansion on the game i already own
2695
« on: July 03, 2018, 03:04:53 PM »
Dark Souls DLC is fine to me. When you have a fully complete game, especially one that's supposed to be the last in the series (as with DKS3) paying 20 bucks for a true add-on to that game is worth it in my eyes.
DLC like Destiny had on the other hand, which is basically just selling cut content, is a shit anti-consumer practice that needs to go extinct.
so you think that DLC was worth 33% of the entire base game experience you're saying the content in that DLC was equivalent in monetary value to a third, approximately, of the base game
2696
« on: July 03, 2018, 02:59:20 PM »
Say I'm a game developer, why should I be obliged to create free content or otherwise make another game they aren't obliged to you make it if you want to and if none of them ever want to because they know they won't make money off it anyway, then good, fuck them The game is a complete product, DLC expansions are just that, extra content. lmao If a game has DLC, it seizes to be a complete game until it's installed. You can't have a completed game be more than complete. That doesn't make any sense. Completed means finished, it's done. And games may seem overpriced but the developers aren't exactly making a killing off of it, they only make a certain percentage. I don't care You don't HAVE to buy anything.
If you want to have a complete game, yes, you do.
2697
« on: July 03, 2018, 01:59:21 PM »
awww he's so cuteeee
the correct letter to extend in this word would be the "u" as the "e" is silent
2698
« on: July 03, 2018, 12:41:51 PM »
What if the dlc auto-downloads like an update.
as long as i'm not paying for it, then fine
So technically you like downloading DLC.
because my issue is with paying for it
i've always expressed this
probably the weakest attempt at a "gotcha" i have ever seen
Why shouldn't you pay for something the developer made?
because i already have when i bought the game
Are you demanding DLC should be free or saying you're personally not interested in downloading any DLC?
DLC shouldn't exist put it all in the game or make a new one, and if you absolutely want to have extra content, it should absolutely be free why should people be obliged to spend more money than the game is worth on extra content, especially if it's just some pointless cosmetic tchotchke, and why is it okay to prey on people's stupidity knowing they're going to buy this useless garbage regardless of how extortionate the rates are when you buy a game, are you okay with the fact that you're not playing a completed product 99% of games aren't worth full retail price anyway, so having us pay even more for DLC is fucking criminal
2699
« on: July 03, 2018, 12:22:39 PM »
What if the dlc auto-downloads like an update.
as long as i'm not paying for it, then fine
So technically you like downloading DLC.
because my issue is with paying for it
i've always expressed this
probably the weakest attempt at a "gotcha" i have ever seen
Why shouldn't you pay for something the developer made?
because i already have when i bought the game
2700
« on: July 03, 2018, 11:22:22 AM »
What if the dlc auto-downloads like an update.
as long as i'm not paying for it, then fine
So technically you like downloading DLC.
because my issue is with paying for it i've always expressed this probably the weakest attempt at a "gotcha" i have ever seen
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