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The Flood / Re: Convince me anyone making more than 250k
« on: October 04, 2018, 12:11:48 PM »
If this is really such a problem, maybe you'd prefer a socialist paradise like China where there is no work/life balance, just work, because everybody lives in fear of being replaced.
i would in fact highly prefer this

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bump because i'm watching anime again

currently revisiting some 1995 shows i didn't finish while trying to catch up with 2018 shit

also i'm still proud of that pre-astro boy era 3x3 i made and would like to draw more attention to it

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The Flood / Re: Convince me anyone making more than 250k
« on: October 03, 2018, 11:21:22 PM »
>Hey work towards this goal in life so that you'll make more money and be happier
the #1 most perniciously toxic message to give any young person

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The Flood / Re: Best Jolly Rancher?
« on: October 03, 2018, 08:46:30 PM »
watermelon yeah

isn't it weird how watermelon-flavored candy doesn't actually taste anything like watermelon

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Gaming / Re: DS Games
« on: October 03, 2018, 04:25:08 PM »
oh and there's scribblenauts and the professor layton series

i've never tried these but people adore them

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Gaming / Re: DS Games
« on: October 03, 2018, 04:21:22 PM »
there's no need to get ultra sun or ultra moon if you already have sun or moon, honestly—the new additions weren't nearly enough to justify their existence, imo

the ace attorney series is very anime, but given the subject matter, you might actually find some appeal in it

you have five very solid zelda games to choose from: MM3D, OoT3D, ALBW, Phantom Hourglass, and Spirit Tracks (ordered from best to worst, in my opinion—i'd play OoT before MM if you haven't already, though)

between new leaf and wild world, you have some animal crossing games to choose from if you're interested—if you haven't played one before, the appeal of these games will not be immediately apparent, as it's basically a life simulator and neighborhood management simulator with cutesy animals, which makes it sound like utter shit, but it's actually a pretty uniquely comfortable and soothing experience that no other game i know of offers

mario kart DS or 7, of course—7 is probably better, but DS has a much better roster because it lets you play as ROB the robot

the original new super mario bros for DS (aka the last 2D mario game with a soul) is solid

kirby super star ultra is the only kirby game you'll ever need to play if you ever wanted to try one

don't bother getting mario maker because you can't upload levels in the DS version, it fucking sucks

some people will probably recommend fire emblem or bravely default or some weeby-type RPG shit—don't bother with any of that, but you can maybe try chrono trigger if you want to try a classic

GTA chinatown wars was a thing that happened, never played it myself but i think it's supposed to be good

smash 4 if you want to scratch that itch before ultimate comes out, portable smash is pretty sweet

metroid: samus returns is not an ideal starting point if you've never played a metroid game before, but it wouldn't be a bad choice if you have (it's a remake of metroid 2 for the original game boy, for the record)

kid icarus uprising and luigi's mansion: dark moon are games i don't think you'd be interested in, but they're worth mentioning

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The Flood / Re: Pizza time
« on: October 03, 2018, 12:09:45 PM »
i like soggy fries

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The Flood / Re: Convince me anyone making more than 250k
« on: October 03, 2018, 04:21:00 AM »
yeah, there's really no defense for capitalism in 2018

amazon just did a good thing recently, which is a step in the right direction—my nearest whole foods is several hours away, but hopefully this will encourage other companies to follow suit

as miserable as it is to be a wage slave, actually being able to fucking live off of what you're making is nothing but good

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The Flood / Re: Convince me anyone making more than 250k
« on: October 03, 2018, 04:04:46 AM »
Did you lose an argument in class or something
if someone were to shoot you in the head (in a perfectly legal self-defense situation, for example), i wonder how hard it would be to actually take you out, if the situation called for it

i think it would actually be pretty difficult, given how your brain just sort of rattles around in your head like a grain of sand, so it might be kinda hard to know precisely where to aim at any given moment

or maybe it wouldn't matter and the shock would just overcome you, since you don't have a great constitution

idk, just a fun little hypothetical, i would never actually do that to you (unless you were a threat to my life in some way)

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Serious / Re: if morality is subjective, why have debates about it
« on: October 01, 2018, 03:49:20 PM »
for the gratification of using debate as a means to psychological self-harm
acceptable answer

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The Flood / Re: AAAAAAAA
« on: October 01, 2018, 10:48:06 AM »
YouTube

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Serious / Re: is america great yet
« on: October 01, 2018, 03:25:44 AM »
I still have rights tons of other people in countries don't have so yeah, it's pretty great here
do you also give people pats on the back for not shitting on the living room floor

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Serious / Re: if morality is subjective, why have debates about it
« on: October 01, 2018, 02:55:24 AM »
if free will exists and is something to be valued, then there's an innate contradiction with how you derive morality—if it's about the reduction of suffering, then you're infringing upon the free will of those who would love nothing more than to cause people suffering, for whatever reasons they may have for it
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what good is free will if there's only one type of behavior worth encouraging anyway

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Serious / Re: if morality is subjective, why have debates about it
« on: October 01, 2018, 01:37:10 AM »
For example, someone may get a tattoo and have to endure a fair amount of pain, but I wouldn't say the tattoo artist is evil for subjecting them to that. A mother may shelter her child from the danger of the world far too much to prevent them from being harmed, but in doing so would prevent them from attaining knowledge and wisdom. I wouldn't consider that to be good.
you cannot "subject" someone to suffering if they asked for it—if someone wants to get a tattoo, and they give you permission to inflict that pain on them, then that's on that person's stupid ass (obviously)

an overprotective mother preventing her child from "attaining knowledge and wisdom" is a little too vague for me to take seriously as a real example—no one in 2018 who is that concerned about their children getting hurt would actually go through with having children in the first place, and even if they would, it's not like i ever claimed that sheltering isn't in and of itself a form of harm—it's a psychological harm, of course—so this is basically just a straw man

or you're just mistakenly assuming that my position is less nuanced than it is, and not something i've put years of consideration into
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I think what this boils down to is that I derive morality from how we can reduce suffering while still allowing for freewill to exist, but I don't believe that morality has to be defined or interpreted in that way. I suppose you could say it's sort of a post-modern understanding in that there are virtually an infinite number of ways to interpret what morality is, but I definitely do not consider them to all be equal. There is one interpretation that is objectively the best in regards to reducing suffering while maintaining freewill.
i cannot get behind free will as a concept—it's one of those things, like religion, that just becomes more and more nonsensical as i get older and the more i think about it

if free will exists and is something to be valued, then there's an innate contradiction with how you derive morality—if it's about the reduction of suffering, then you're infringing upon the free will of those who would love nothing more than to cause people suffering, for whatever reasons they may have for it

i say fuck them—but you're saying you'd rather protect that

if you wouldn't, and you'd rather create a world where everyone's will is good-focused in essentially the same way as everyone else, haven't you basically destroyed what you said you wanted to preserve

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Serious / Re: if morality is subjective, why have debates about it
« on: October 01, 2018, 12:29:14 AM »
I'd say it's subjective because it isn't quantified by reality. The universe doesn't have laws on what is good or bad. Those concepts don't even exist beyond our ability as sentient beings to conceptualize them.
"these concepts don't exist beyond the fact that they exist"

what am i even supposed to do with statements like this

how isn't it quantified by reality—the whole fucking reason we feel any negative sensations whatsoever is to deter us from doing stupid or evil shit, and one of the most basic ways to quantify this is through pain

someone giving you a cupcake is going to be quantifiably better than giving you syphilis—because syphilis is (to any rational person) an intrinsically negative and totally undesirable condition—not because we said so, but because reality said so

i would LOVE to enjoy syphilis, because i enjoy enjoying things—the reason i don't is because it's intrinsically unenjoyable, as practically dictated by reality—it's not an opinion

the way i see it, it's literally no different than math—they're both useful systems that correspond with elements of reality very well, and if you dispute the validity of one on the basis that it doesn't exist beyond human perception, then you must dispute the other for the same exact reason if you want to be logically consistent

you claim that math is different because it's measurable, and because you believe in object permanence—but as i've shown with my relatively crude example, you can measure pleasure and suffering, and just because we don't have a moral equivalent of yardsticks, thermometers, compasses, or clocks at our disposal doesn't mean that we can't use common sense (and most moral questions we get asked on a day-to-day basis are common sense) to determine the moral value of these scenarios

because most of the time, it's not terribly important how bad the suffering is—we don't need exactitude

we can look at a starving child and say "yeah, this is suffering, this is a bad thing" and nobody in their right mind would disagree, just like nobody in their right mind would dispute that a meter is approximately 3 feet long
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Morality is inexorably connected to concepts that do not exist beyond our conception of them. The only way I could see morality as objective is if it was defined by the absolute most effective way to eliminate suffering instead of the nature of good and evil.
these definitions are not mutually exclusive

the nature of good = wanting to find, in your words, "the absolute most effective way to eliminate suffering"
the nature of evil = not wanting to find that, or wanting to find the most effective way to perpetuate suffering

i would say if you agree with one definition, you basically must agree with the other

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Serious / Re: if morality is subjective, why have debates about it
« on: September 30, 2018, 09:29:45 PM »
It's technically subjective, but regardless, humans all suffer for the same essential reasons, and morality is very closely related to suffering (which is more objective, or at least axiomatic) and how to end it. So we can at least have a discussion on what is the best method to diminish suffering, and use that to establish a framework for morality.
and where do you get "it's technically subjective" from this

it's subjective insofar as someone could easily go "murder is okay but that's just my opinion"

whereas i could also say "2+2=5, in my opinion"

does the ability to append any statement with "in my opinion" at the end mean that everything is subjective, or is that a needlessly tenuous way to look at the world

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Serious / Re: if morality is subjective, why have debates about it
« on: September 30, 2018, 08:28:29 PM »
You can change opinions by arguing, grass is still green whether or not you agree with it.
there are some objective subjects that are far more complex than whether grass is green—politics, philosophy, science

there's a right answer to things like immigration, or climate change, or what economic system we should be using

nobody can know for certain what the answers are, but we all have our own ideas—some better than others—but only one of those ideas can be right, because if the wrong opinion overpowers the right opinion, people are going to die (or money is going to get wasted)

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Serious / Re: if morality is subjective, why have debates about it
« on: September 30, 2018, 03:01:01 PM »
Because that's how subjectivity works. There's no point in debating objective facts.
yeah, because everyone agrees on what is objectively true in the world
Doesn't change what is actually objective.
no fucking shit

that's why you argue about it, because it MATTERS when somebody is wrong about what is objectively true

subjective things don't really matter at all, so arguments involving any subjectivity are a complete waste of time

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Serious / Re: if morality is subjective, why have debates about it
« on: September 30, 2018, 02:13:07 PM »
Because that's how subjectivity works. There's no point in debating objective facts.
yeah, because everyone agrees on what is objectively true in the world

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Serious / why should anybody talk to you
« on: September 30, 2018, 12:49:07 AM »

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Serious / defend your most controversial belief
« on: September 30, 2018, 12:48:23 AM »

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Serious / why do you pretend to care about anything, when you really don't?
« on: September 30, 2018, 12:40:19 AM »

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Serious / do you like people? if not, why?
« on: September 30, 2018, 12:35:04 AM »

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Serious / is america great yet
« on: September 30, 2018, 12:32:16 AM »

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Serious / if morality is subjective, why have debates about it
« on: September 30, 2018, 12:30:25 AM »

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