If Halo 4 was removed would anything major change for the new trilogy story wise

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Did he say glass of juice or gas the Jews?
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For the Bungie Halo's all three games either has something major happening or some discovery which greatly effects the story.
CE:
-Humanity discovered Halo, the Forerunner's and the Flood.
-The destruction of Halo resulted in the current Arbiter.

2:
-Two of the three Prophet's ended up dying.
-Humanity discovered that there's a series of Halo rings, the Flood is not an isolated thing and The Ark.
-The Covenant Civil War brakes out which eventually leads to the Elites, Grunts and I believe Hunters joining forces with the Humans. If it wasn't for those groups joining us then we would have lost the war.

3:
-The end of the Covenant Civil War and the start of the Elite and Human alliance. I know that began in Halo 2 but I day say it really became official after the war.

Now for Halo 4 what major thing happened which would change the story if that game was removed? The Didact' got killed off in that game so he's not going to be back, the composer got blown up, that elite leader from Spartan OPS got killed off in a Halo 5 cut scene near the beginning, so he wasn't anything major.

The only thing I can think off is Cortana blowing herself up which results in the MC going to her location, but that could have simply happened somewhere in Halo 5. If Halo 5 had a few more levels then we could fit in Cortana getting separated and the MC eventually goes looking for her which results in the same things happening.
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Halo 5 could easily be Halo 4. Locke hunting for MC still MIA and Cortana just going rampant.

Halo 5 pretty much made H4 irrelevant.


 
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4 is literally irrelevant


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4 is literally irrelevant
1) Killed off Cortana - just to revive her in the next game.
2) Introduce a new leader of the covenant who opposes the Arbiter (with three novels revolving around him + Spartan Ops) - kills him in the next game, in a fkn cutscene.
3) Get MC to 'face his humanity' and think about stuff - do not talk about it in the next game, don't even show how MC and Blue team re-united. I really think it would have been an amazing cutscene to see John's old friends welcome him back. (I know it was done in escalations, but c'mon. If Osiris got a cool intro, why not blue team?)
4) Fight Didact and make him go away - kill him off in a comic
5) Prometheans are controlled by Didact, Didact is dead, why are Prometheans still hostile towards humans?

Its like Halo 4 did not even happen.


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Aside from Chief returning to civilisation, Halo 4 is irrelevant. Which is a shame, because it has the best story out of the games in the series.


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Did he say glass of juice or gas the Jews?
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4 is literally irrelevant
1) Killed off Cortana - just to revive her in the next game.
2) Introduce a new leader of the covenant who opposes the Arbiter (with three novels revolving around him + Spartan Ops) - kills him in the next game, in a fkn cutscene.
3) Get MC to 'face his humanity' and think about stuff - do not talk about it in the next game, don't even show how MC and Blue team re-united. I really think it would have been an amazing cutscene to see John's old friends welcome him back. (I know it was done in escalations, but c'mon. If Osiris got a cool intro, why not blue team?)
4) Fight Didact and make him go away - kill him off in a comic
5) Prometheans are controlled by Didact, Didact is dead, why are Prometheans still hostile towards humans?

Its like Halo 4 did not even happen.
What was the reason for Halo 4 and the books becoming irrelevant? Did 343 decide to change the direction of the story with Halo 5(Just like Bungie changing the Forerunner's from being human in CE, to them being their own thing) or were they running out off time with Halo 5 which resulted in the OG story being scraped for the half assed thing we have now?


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4 is literally irrelevant
1) Killed off Cortana - just to revive her in the next game.
2) Introduce a new leader of the covenant who opposes the Arbiter (with three novels revolving around him + Spartan Ops) - kills him in the next game, in a fkn cutscene.
3) Get MC to 'face his humanity' and think about stuff - do not talk about it in the next game, don't even show how MC and Blue team re-united. I really think it would have been an amazing cutscene to see John's old friends welcome him back. (I know it was done in escalations, but c'mon. If Osiris got a cool intro, why not blue team?)
4) Fight Didact and make him go away - kill him off in a comic
5) Prometheans are controlled by Didact, Didact is dead, why are Prometheans still hostile towards humans?

Its like Halo 4 did not even happen.
What was the reason for Halo 4 and the books becoming irrelevant? Did 343 decide to change the direction of the story with Halo 5(Just like Bungie changing the Forerunner's from being human in CE, to them being their own thing) or were they running out off time with Halo 5 which resulted in the OG story being scraped for the half assed thing we have now?

If the "leaks" are true, a bunch of factors:

-Microsoft wanting Cortana dead in H4 so they could release Cortana siri thing and not have it associated with a game character. This backfired massively so Microsoft decided they should bring Cortana back in H5 to keep sales up.

-Similar to the backfiring thing from Cortana, Spartan Ops was being used to experiment with introducing new Spartans to replace MC, as Steve Downes wants to retire from voice acting. Everyone hated Majestic and Co. Along with SpOps in general so that forced the creation of anew group (Osiris) and a series of comics created to cut all ties to SpOps out of the canon (Escalation). Also why Jul was killed in Mission 1 and Halsey's "revenge" forgotten.

-Halo 5 was originally pitched as a spin off game focusing on Locke and co hunting MC in an open world style game very similar to ODST, only with multiple hubs and a larger role for Artemis. Closer to what was advertised (and concept art of infinity hub and stuff supports this). MS changed it so it would be a main game and this, combined with the points above, pretty much caused the atrocity we got.


TLDR: Backlash from a bunch of stuff in Halo 4 meant MS wanted all ties to that stuff gone.

I can link the video I got this from if you want. It seems pretty believable and in line with what we do know.
Last Edit: December 08, 2016, 05:21:48 AM by BaconShelf


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4 is literally irrelevant
1) Killed off Cortana - just to revive her in the next game.
2) Introduce a new leader of the covenant who opposes the Arbiter (with three novels revolving around him + Spartan Ops) - kills him in the next game, in a fkn cutscene.
3) Get MC to 'face his humanity' and think about stuff - do not talk about it in the next game, don't even show how MC and Blue team re-united. I really think it would have been an amazing cutscene to see John's old friends welcome him back. (I know it was done in escalations, but c'mon. If Osiris got a cool intro, why not blue team?)
4) Fight Didact and make him go away - kill him off in a comic
5) Prometheans are controlled by Didact, Didact is dead, why are Prometheans still hostile towards humans?

Its like Halo 4 did not even happen.
What was the reason for Halo 4 and the books becoming irrelevant? Did 343 decide to change the direction of the story with Halo 5(Just like Bungie changing the Forerunner's from being human in CE, to them being their own thing) or were they running out off time with Halo 5 which resulted in the OG story being scraped for the half assed thing we have now?

If the "leaks" are true, a bunch of factors:

-Microsoft wanting Cortana dead in H4 so they could release Cortana siri thing and not have it associated with a game character. This backfired massively so Microsoft decided they should bring Cortana back in H5 to keep sales up.

-Similar to the backfiring thing from Cortana, Spartan Ops was being used to experiment with introducing new Spartans to replace MC, as Steve Downes wants to retire from voice acting. Everyone hated Majestic and Co. Along with SpOps in general so that forced the creation of a new group (Osiris) and a series of comics created to cut all ties to SpOps out of the canon (Escalation). Also why Jul was killed in Mission 1 and Halsey's "revenge" forgotten.

-Halo 5 was originally pitched as a spin off game focusing on Locke and co hunting MC in an open world style game very similar to ODST, only with multiple hubs and a larger role for Artemis. Closer to what was advertised (and concept art of infinity hub and stuff supports this). MS changed it so it would be a main game and this, combined with the points above, pretty much caused the atrocity we got.


TLDR: Backlash from a bunch of stuff in Halo 4 meant MS wanted all ties to that stuff gone.

I can link the video I got this from if you want. It seems pretty believable and in line with what we do know.

That sounds about right. I heard that H5 was meant to be a very different game.
Spops was not a bad idea, it was just not executed well. The way 343i decided to fix it is even worse.


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It's on the same level. The Universe and lore took a nose dive when 343 took over. I mean, have you played 5's campaign?



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It's on the same level. The Universe and lore took a nose dive when 343 took over. I mean, have you played 5's campaign?


Everything 343 did up untill MCC was pretty good though.
They listened too much to the crybabies community with Halo 5 which is why the story ended up so bad.


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It's on the same level. The Universe and lore took a nose dive when 343 took over. I mean, have you played 5's campaign?


Everything 343 did up untill MCC was pretty good though.
They listened too much to the crybabies community with Halo 5 which is why the story ended up so bad.
Its so sad how developers give into the pressure. And its becoming more and more common.
I was so triggered by Blizzard when they caved in with the butt bullshit.
Microsoft also apologised for the "NHGYAAA!" email

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smh so hard that its affecting the rotational axis of the earth. Can devs just not say "lol k, deal with it" anymore?


 
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4 is literally irrelevant
1) Killed off Cortana - just to revive her in the next game.
2) Introduce a new leader of the covenant who opposes the Arbiter (with three novels revolving around him + Spartan Ops) - kills him in the next game, in a fkn cutscene.
3) Get MC to 'face his humanity' and think about stuff - do not talk about it in the next game, don't even show how MC and Blue team re-united. I really think it would have been an amazing cutscene to see John's old friends welcome him back. (I know it was done in escalations, but c'mon. If Osiris got a cool intro, why not blue team?)
4) Fight Didact and make him go away - kill him off in a comic
5) Prometheans are controlled by Didact, Didact is dead, why are Prometheans still hostile towards humans?

Its like Halo 4 did not even happen.
What was the reason for Halo 4 and the books becoming irrelevant? Did 343 decide to change the direction of the story with Halo 5(Just like Bungie changing the Forerunner's from being human in CE, to them being their own thing) or were they running out off time with Halo 5 which resulted in the OG story being scraped for the half assed thing we have now?

If the "leaks" are true, a bunch of factors:

-Microsoft wanting Cortana dead in H4 so they could release Cortana siri thing and not have it associated with a game character. This backfired massively so Microsoft decided they should bring Cortana back in H5 to keep sales up.

-Similar to the backfiring thing from Cortana, Spartan Ops was being used to experiment with introducing new Spartans to replace MC, as Steve Downes wants to retire from voice acting. Everyone hated Majestic and Co. Along with SpOps in general so that forced the creation of anew group (Osiris) and a series of comics created to cut all ties to SpOps out of the canon (Escalation). Also why Jul was killed in Mission 1 and Halsey's "revenge" forgotten.

-Halo 5 was originally pitched as a spin off game focusing on Locke and co hunting MC in an open world style game very similar to ODST, only with multiple hubs and a larger role for Artemis. Closer to what was advertised (and concept art of infinity hub and stuff supports this). MS changed it so it would be a main game and this, combined with the points above, pretty much caused the atrocity we got.


TLDR: Backlash from a bunch of stuff in Halo 4 meant MS wanted all ties to that stuff gone.

I can link the video I got this from if you want. It seems pretty believable and in line with what we do know.

i am so sick of this shit happening to games man

publishers FUCK off


 
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4 is literally irrelevant
1) Killed off Cortana - just to revive her in the next game.
remember when lemon was super adamant about her still being dead

i wish he were still here JUST so that people could rub it in


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4 is literally irrelevant
1) Killed off Cortana - just to revive her in the next game.
remember when lemon was super adamant about her still being dead

i wish he were still here JUST so that people could rub it in
I really wish they didn't back-track their decision to kill her off. Its like Ending Halo 4 with "And then Master Chief woke up and it was all k, lol. And Cortana married chief and they made AI / Spartan babies awww omg xDDD "


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4 is literally irrelevant
1) Killed off Cortana - just to revive her in the next game.
2) Introduce a new leader of the covenant who opposes the Arbiter (with three novels revolving around him + Spartan Ops) - kills him in the next game, in a fkn cutscene.
3) Get MC to 'face his humanity' and think about stuff - do not talk about it in the next game, don't even show how MC and Blue team re-united. I really think it would have been an amazing cutscene to see John's old friends welcome him back. (I know it was done in escalations, but c'mon. If Osiris got a cool intro, why not blue team?)
4) Fight Didact and make him go away - kill him off in a comic
5) Prometheans are controlled by Didact, Didact is dead, why are Prometheans still hostile towards humans?

Its like Halo 4 did not even happen.
What was the reason for Halo 4 and the books becoming irrelevant? Did 343 decide to change the direction of the story with Halo 5(Just like Bungie changing the Forerunner's from being human in CE, to them being their own thing) or were they running out off time with Halo 5 which resulted in the OG story being scraped for the half assed thing we have now?

If the "leaks" are true, a bunch of factors:

-Microsoft wanting Cortana dead in H4 so they could release Cortana siri thing and not have it associated with a game character. This backfired massively so Microsoft decided they should bring Cortana back in H5 to keep sales up.

-Similar to the backfiring thing from Cortana, Spartan Ops was being used to experiment with introducing new Spartans to replace MC, as Steve Downes wants to retire from voice acting. Everyone hated Majestic and Co. Along with SpOps in general so that forced the creation of anew group (Osiris) and a series of comics created to cut all ties to SpOps out of the canon (Escalation). Also why Jul was killed in Mission 1 and Halsey's "revenge" forgotten.

-Halo 5 was originally pitched as a spin off game focusing on Locke and co hunting MC in an open world style game very similar to ODST, only with multiple hubs and a larger role for Artemis. Closer to what was advertised (and concept art of infinity hub and stuff supports this). MS changed it so it would be a main game and this, combined with the points above, pretty much caused the atrocity we got.


TLDR: Backlash from a bunch of stuff in Halo 4 meant MS wanted all ties to that stuff gone.

I can link the video I got this from if you want. It seems pretty believable and in line with what we do know.

i am so sick of this shit happening to games man

publishers FUCK off

That's just campaign. According to the same leak:

-MS wanted an esports scene for Halo because that's the thing the cool kids are doing. This backlashed for casual players who now had the majority of fan favourite gametypes like Infection, Assault, Grifball and even Forge missing from the game for up to 7 months to be patched in as "free dlc".  Even now, there are no Big Team Battle maps (Just community-made forge ones), and a significant majority of gametypes are missing. This also backfired considering that the Halo Championship Series has done pitifully in viewercount when compared to pretty much every other major Esports title out there (Averaging from a few hundred to a few thousand viewers with finals sometimes reaching 10k or more).

-Changing the now-infamous MCC from what was originally just a Halo 2 remaster to a full collection with only 11 months to do it. And  the best part is, there's (again, according to the leak) a full port for PC at 343 that works but won't be released because of how badly MCC tanked.

-Enforcing a 1080/60 thing on a console that is laughably underpowered and can barely support it, meaning animations at a distance render funny and the game generally looks weird. And also caused the removal of splitscreen/ local play.

-This is my own speculation here, but I suspect MS put microtransactions in the game, considering all their other major titles (Forza, Gears and now Halo Wars 2 having micros AND  a season pass/ paid DLC) also have very similar card pack things. That's my speculation though.

There's probably other stuff too. MS seems to have generally been too hands-on with the development of the game and as a result the project was terribly mismanaged and handled. Though of course it's all leaks from anonymoose developers who supposedly quit 343 after the game came out so take it with the usual grain of salt.
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1) Killed off Cortana - just to revive her in the next game.
remember when lemon was super adamant about her still being dead

i wish he were still here JUST so that people could rub it in

I did back when he was still around. Mainly because he went into some angry rant at me for saying she'd be coming back.


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4 is literally irrelevant
1) Killed off Cortana - just to revive her in the next game.
remember when lemon was super adamant about her still being dead

i wish he were still here JUST so that people could rub it in

Can you blame him? Nobody but AutismFollower and his 12 year old fanbase wanted her to come back.  I mean I'm still not even sure 343i even wanted to do it, since they seem to be confused on their own given reason for her survival, and they couldn't even portray her propperly the way Brian Reed and Frank O Connor apparently wanted.

I could have stood what she was doing of she wasnt such a massive hippocritical cunt about it. If she is doing all this for galactic peace, why the hell does she have Promethean going around slaughtering civies? I swear they must have replaced the Didact with Cortana in like the last 72 hours before they shipped the game.

I want Schlerff back.


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-Similar to the backfiring thing from Cortana, Spartan Ops was being used to experiment with introducing new Spartans to replace MC, as Steve Downes wants to retire from voice acting. Everyone hated Majestic and Co. Along with SpOps in general so that forced the creation of anew group (Osiris) and a series of comics created to cut all ties to SpOps out of the canon (Escalation). Also why Jul was killed in Mission 1 and Halsey's "revenge" forgotten.

Halo 5 would objectively be better in Majestic was in it


 
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Can you blame him?

Yes, 343 isn't good enough to write anything other than some bullshit about her coming back to life. These are the same people that killed off the rookie in a book and magicked the didact back to life for a comic.


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Can you blame him?

Yes, 343 isn't good enough to write anything other than some bullshit about her coming back to life. These are the same people that killed off the rookie in a book and magicked the didact back to life for a comic.

Why did they let Schlerff go?


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Can you blame him?

Yes, 343 isn't good enough to write anything other than some bullshit about her coming back to life. These are the same people that killed off the rookie in a book and magicked the didact back to life for a comic.
There's no real reason to be believe the Didact died in Halo 4 though.

He fell into a slipspace portal, Chief only hours before went through a slipspace portal, Didact has far better armour that the Chief.

However the Didact being immediately composed despite the terminals saying he couldn't, or the fact he sicced prometheans on Blue Team despite the fact he killed Black Team (who were brought back to be killed), and Rookie being killed off were all retarded.


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Can you blame him?

Yes, 343 isn't good enough to write anything other than some bullshit about her coming back to life. These are the same people that killed off the rookie in a book and magicked the didact back to life for a comic.
There's no real reason to be believe the Didact died in Halo 4 though.

He fell into a slipspace portal, Chief only hours before went through a slipspace portal, Didact has far better armour that the Chief.

However the Didact being immediately composed despite the terminals saying he couldn't, or the fact he sicced prometheans on Blue Team despite the fact he killed Black Team (who were brought back to be killed), and Rookie being killed off were all retarded.

Reed has already said the Didact is still alive and comming back anyway.


 
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Can you blame him?

Yes, 343 isn't good enough to write anything other than some bullshit about her coming back to life. These are the same people that killed off the rookie in a book and magicked the didact back to life for a comic.
There's no real reason to be believe the Didact died in Halo 4 though.

He fell into a slipspace portal, Chief only hours before went through a slipspace portal, Didact has far better armour that the Chief.

However the Didact being immediately composed despite the terminals saying he couldn't, or the fact he sicced prometheans on Blue Team despite the fact he killed Black Team (who were brought back to be killed), and Rookie being killed off were all retarded.

that was a retcon so they could bring him back for the comic, in the game he falls into a swirling mass of energy used to power that deconstruction beam


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Can you blame him?

Yes, 343 isn't good enough to write anything other than some bullshit about her coming back to life. These are the same people that killed off the rookie in a book and magicked the didact back to life for a comic.
There's no real reason to be believe the Didact died in Halo 4 though.

He fell into a slipspace portal, Chief only hours before went through a slipspace portal, Didact has far better armour that the Chief.

However the Didact being immediately composed despite the terminals saying he couldn't, or the fact he sicced prometheans on Blue Team despite the fact he killed Black Team (who were brought back to be killed), and Rookie being killed off were all retarded.

that was a retcon so they could bring him back for the comic, in the game he falls into a swirling mass of energy used to power that deconstruction beam

It was a Slipspace bubble. If Mjolnir Mk 7 can survive slipspace, the Didact surely can.
Even further, Spartan Ops showed that the Dicact had given control of the Promethean to Jul Mdama
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Can you blame him?

Yes, 343 isn't good enough to write anything other than some bullshit about her coming back to life. These are the same people that killed off the rookie in a book and magicked the didact back to life for a comic.
There's no real reason to be believe the Didact died in Halo 4 though.

He fell into a slipspace portal, Chief only hours before went through a slipspace portal, Didact has far better armour that the Chief.

However the Didact being immediately composed despite the terminals saying he couldn't, or the fact he sicced prometheans on Blue Team despite the fact he killed Black Team (who were brought back to be killed), and Rookie being killed off were all retarded.

that was a retcon so they could bring him back for the comic, in the game he falls into a swirling mass of energy used to power that deconstruction beam

It was a Slipspace bubble.
Even further, Spartan Ops showed that the Dicact had given control of the Promethean to Jul Mdama

yeah, after the retcon


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Can you blame him?

Yes, 343 isn't good enough to write anything other than some bullshit about her coming back to life. These are the same people that killed off the rookie in a book and magicked the didact back to life for a comic.
There's no real reason to be believe the Didact died in Halo 4 though.

He fell into a slipspace portal, Chief only hours before went through a slipspace portal, Didact has far better armour that the Chief.

However the Didact being immediately composed despite the terminals saying he couldn't, or the fact he sicced prometheans on Blue Team despite the fact he killed Black Team (who were brought back to be killed), and Rookie being killed off were all retarded.

that was a retcon so they could bring him back for the comic, in the game he falls into a swirling mass of energy used to power that deconstruction beam

It was a Slipspace bubble.
Even further, Spartan Ops showed that the Dicact had given control of the Promethean to Jul Mdama

yeah, after the retcon

Armor that could survive sipspace already existed before Halo 4 released.


 
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Can you blame him?

Yes, 343 isn't good enough to write anything other than some bullshit about her coming back to life. These are the same people that killed off the rookie in a book and magicked the didact back to life for a comic.
There's no real reason to be believe the Didact died in Halo 4 though.

He fell into a slipspace portal, Chief only hours before went through a slipspace portal, Didact has far better armour that the Chief.

However the Didact being immediately composed despite the terminals saying he couldn't, or the fact he sicced prometheans on Blue Team despite the fact he killed Black Team (who were brought back to be killed), and Rookie being killed off were all retarded.

that was a retcon so they could bring him back for the comic, in the game he falls into a swirling mass of energy used to power that deconstruction beam

It was a Slipspace bubble.
Even further, Spartan Ops showed that the Dicact had given control of the Promethean to Jul Mdama

yeah, after the retcon

Armor that could survive sipspace already existed before Halo 4 released.

i mean the energy core being turned into a slip space portal (which makes its own host of problems, namely why the fuck do all of these bungie era forerunner installations use power generators if they could be using slip space portals instead)