Quote from: FatherlyNick on December 17, 2016, 06:03:02 AM

Quote from: Flee on December 14, 2016, 11:44:39 AM

Quote from: True Turquoise on December 14, 2016, 07:13:42 AM

If you're going to get banned for that


Why, as a developer, put this in a game, that's like getting banned for making a clip of the strip tease on metro

I imagine that the idea behind it is that it's fine to be in mature games (supposedly) played adults or older teens, but not everywhere else. If the PSN works like XBL, these pictures will be shared with and visible to anyone regardless of their age. Simply put, it's fine to have explicit sexuality in a game for older people, but not for them to take pictures of it and share them on an open platform where an 8 year old playing Lego games and Knack on his dad's PS4 can see it.

Take screenshot of burning bus with people in it in GTA 5 - share it - no one cares, A-Okay!
Take screenshot of a human genital - OMG NOOO!!! THINK OF THE CHILDREN!
Either ban all, or none at all.
ffs

It's one of the big contradictions in the West and extremely so in the US. Exposing children to violence on shows and letting them play with actual guns is fine and dandy, but the moment a nipple makes an appearance on a show it's an outrage.

Quote from: Flee on December 17, 2016, 06:34:38 AM

Quote from: FatherlyNick on December 17, 2016, 06:03:02 AM

Quote from: Flee on December 14, 2016, 11:44:39 AM

Quote from: True Turquoise on December 14, 2016, 07:13:42 AM

If you're going to get banned for that


Why, as a developer, put this in a game, that's like getting banned for making a clip of the strip tease on metro

I imagine that the idea behind it is that it's fine to be in mature games (supposedly) played adults or older teens, but not everywhere else. If the PSN works like XBL, these pictures will be shared with and visible to anyone regardless of their age. Simply put, it's fine to have explicit sexuality in a game for older people, but not for them to take pictures of it and share them on an open platform where an 8 year old playing Lego games and Knack on his dad's PS4 can see it.

Take screenshot of burning bus with people in it in GTA 5 - share it - no one cares, A-Okay!
Take screenshot of a human genital - OMG NOOO!!! THINK OF THE CHILDREN!
Either ban all, or none at all.
ffs

It's one of the big contradictions in the West and extremely so in the US. Exposing children to violence on shows and letting them play with actual guns is fine and dandy, but the moment a nipple makes an appearance on a show it's an outrage.

You're both dumb, and so is everybody who's ever spouted this facile, tenuous Facebook-tier "violence is okay but sex isn't? WOW AMERICA" rhetoric that I'd expect only shitposters like Loaf to whine about. There is no comparison to be made between how we handle sex and violence in media--none whatsoever. There is no problem. There is no hypocrisy. We respond appropriately to both types of imagery and we frankly couldn't handle it better if we tried.

First of all, we do have a rating system for a reason. GTA is rated M for a reason. Maybe before you start whining about Little Joe getting to see violence and/or sex in his video games, stop and think before you let him play those games in the first place.

After taking this precaution, even if your kid does see some violent images, here's the thing: people--yes, even dumbass little kids, with a little bit of good guidance and good parenting--are highly capable of separating cartoons from reality. There is no evidence to suggest that violent images in video games incite violent behavior outside of video games--because it doesn't. Little Joe is not going to become a serial killer because he saw a burning bus in a still-frame image from Grand Theft fucking Auto. Get real.

On the sex side, however, this is something we actually need to think more carefully about. Sexual imagery is a lot more volatile for a child's growing mind than is a picture of some over-the-top fake violence. A child good see this image of a prostitute sprawled on the ground with her vagina in full-view, think to himself "What is that? I don't have one of those!" then maybe ask one of his female friends (if he has any) at school if he can take a look at her privates to verify whether some people have different private parts.

Technically, this could be described as harmless exploratory behavior, but it could also lead to some extremely damaging behavior down the line as Little Joe grows more curious about the female anatomy which could lead to touching or other degenerate/perverted behaviors which should be quelled before they get worse. I wish I had the studies to bolster my argument, but I really do consider all of us common fucking sense.

Violent images are okay because they're so far beyond the pale of reality and do not promote violent behavior whatsoever.
Sexual images are not okay because they do display REAL behavior which could be psychologically damaging to children.

Let this meme fucking die.

But there is no sex in the screenshot, unless seeing a vagina means sex to you.

This is dumb because:

- it's based entirely around your own views on sexuality and its portrayal, which I think are pretty stupid and warp this entire discussion from the start. I think they affect your ability to look at this neutrally.

- I never said it's not the responsibility of the parents to keep little Timmy from playing those games or that we shouldn't have some kind of rating system.

- I never said violent games make children violent.

And no, I don't consider this common sense at all.

The US is often very prude when compared to other countries and even when compared to one of the most sexually open countries in the world like France, it still sees 70% more rapes (accounting for population). You're so eager to dismiss any suggestion of kids being influenced by exposure to violence as patently ridiculous to the point that we even have to "get real" about it, but god forbid that little Timmy sees a nipple or vagina because it's almost "common fucking sense" that it might turn him into a sexual predator.

Come on Verb, you can see how ridiculous that is and how your very negative views about sexuality might play a part in why you're seeing it this way.

I don't see how watching a prostitute on the floor is a display of such REAL behavior

You could even argue that violence is even more life-like to little children than sex is, as they kick, push, rustle and get into fights with each other all the time as opposed to them being involved in sexual behavior.