Would this be considered murder or suicide?

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Did he say glass of juice or gas the Jews?
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I'm going to use the Tiphareans from Battle Angle Alita as an example. When they turn 19 their brain is replaced with a chip and their memories are copied to it which goes into their body. The brain goes to the incubator and the body that has the chip still goes on living as if nothing happened at all. So the brain is on a type of life support and their body goes on living the same life since the chip in it is a perfect clone of them.

My question is lets say the clone finds out what really happens when someone turns 19 and they manged to hack into the incubator to find the brain that was in their body. Since the brain is still alive the clone is able to cut it off which would result in brain death. So then would it be murder if they do cut the life support since they are a clone or would it be suicide due to them being a perfect copy of the brain which means they have the same type of thinking? Cutting off the life support in a way would be committing suicide due to them killing them self. Yes they are a clone of this brain but it would be like holding a gun up to your head. Whatever thought process you have during pulling the trigger would be used in thinking about cutting of the life support. 


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Murder. The instant after replication the body experiences different stimuli that mind in the incubator has not, therefor the two are measurably different in memory and thought.

Even if you isolated the two minds in identical environments, the randomness of things on a quantum level would make them demonstrably different and with enough time would leave them completely distinct.
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Um...suicide?


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Did he say glass of juice or gas the Jews?
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Murder. The instant after replication the body experiences different stimuli that the chip has not, therefor the two are measurably different in memory and thought.
Nobody with the chip finds out they have one until it gets pointed out or they discoverer it. None of the adults knew about it until Nova went public about it and showed them what the chip looks like and told them what happens. When they get the chip it's as if nothing happened at all to the body. Their memories, thought processes and personalty are exactly the same before and after the chip.


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Murder. The instant after replication the body experiences different stimuli that the chip has not, therefor the two are measurably different in memory and thought.
Nobody with the chip finds out they have one until it gets pointed out or they discoverer it. None of the adults knew about it until Nova went public about it and showed them what the chip looks like and told them what happens. When they get the chip it's as if nothing happened at all to the body. Their memories, thought processes and personalty are exactly the same before and after the chip.
Yes but the environment the brain is in and the chip is in are distinctly different which gives rise to difference on both a molecular level and with enough time in their personality.


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Two separate consciousness' = two separate beings = murder.

Regardless of whether or not both have the exact same mind/ego/personality, if they have separate awareness,' then they are two distinguishable beings.


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Murder. The instant after replication the body experiences different stimuli that mind in the incubator has not, therefor the two are measurably different in memory and thought.

Even if you isolated the two minds in identical environments, the randomness of things on a quantum level would make them demonstrably different and with enough time would leave them completely distinct.
To add to egg's point, it's worth noting that, as I understand it, it is impossible to copy the information held in a quantum superposition. So there will always be some very minute difference between the original and the copy.