Quote from: ಠ_ಠ on March 13, 2018, 01:55:46 PMQuote from: Desty on March 13, 2018, 01:50:39 PMQuote from: ಠ_ಠ on March 13, 2018, 01:14:38 PMQuote from: Desty on March 13, 2018, 11:48:16 AMQuote from: ಠ_ಠ on March 13, 2018, 10:33:05 AMQuote from: Loaf on March 13, 2018, 09:41:42 AMQuote from: ಠ_ಠ on March 13, 2018, 01:59:31 AMshave the fucking hair off your chest and legs at least christSorry, I don't conform to your gender norms shoot yourself in the face pleaseNigga whatWeren't you a girl before? I don't think you're in a position to hate on Loaf for wearing a dressSpoilerjust because I was born a certain way that doesn't mean I intentionally go out of my way to dress and look like a freak, I do actually try to be a normal human being you know You and Loaf are two sides of the same coin.disagreehaving a hormonal neurological condition isn't the same as playing dress up and making a political statement about your identity with itWhat is that condition? I'd say Loaf isn't in a normal condition either, but unless we specify, throwing around big words won't answer anything.
Quote from: Desty on March 13, 2018, 01:50:39 PMQuote from: ಠ_ಠ on March 13, 2018, 01:14:38 PMQuote from: Desty on March 13, 2018, 11:48:16 AMQuote from: ಠ_ಠ on March 13, 2018, 10:33:05 AMQuote from: Loaf on March 13, 2018, 09:41:42 AMQuote from: ಠ_ಠ on March 13, 2018, 01:59:31 AMshave the fucking hair off your chest and legs at least christSorry, I don't conform to your gender norms shoot yourself in the face pleaseNigga whatWeren't you a girl before? I don't think you're in a position to hate on Loaf for wearing a dressSpoilerjust because I was born a certain way that doesn't mean I intentionally go out of my way to dress and look like a freak, I do actually try to be a normal human being you know You and Loaf are two sides of the same coin.disagreehaving a hormonal neurological condition isn't the same as playing dress up and making a political statement about your identity with it
Quote from: ಠ_ಠ on March 13, 2018, 01:14:38 PMQuote from: Desty on March 13, 2018, 11:48:16 AMQuote from: ಠ_ಠ on March 13, 2018, 10:33:05 AMQuote from: Loaf on March 13, 2018, 09:41:42 AMQuote from: ಠ_ಠ on March 13, 2018, 01:59:31 AMshave the fucking hair off your chest and legs at least christSorry, I don't conform to your gender norms shoot yourself in the face pleaseNigga whatWeren't you a girl before? I don't think you're in a position to hate on Loaf for wearing a dressSpoilerjust because I was born a certain way that doesn't mean I intentionally go out of my way to dress and look like a freak, I do actually try to be a normal human being you know You and Loaf are two sides of the same coin.
Quote from: Desty on March 13, 2018, 11:48:16 AMQuote from: ಠ_ಠ on March 13, 2018, 10:33:05 AMQuote from: Loaf on March 13, 2018, 09:41:42 AMQuote from: ಠ_ಠ on March 13, 2018, 01:59:31 AMshave the fucking hair off your chest and legs at least christSorry, I don't conform to your gender norms shoot yourself in the face pleaseNigga whatWeren't you a girl before? I don't think you're in a position to hate on Loaf for wearing a dressSpoilerjust because I was born a certain way that doesn't mean I intentionally go out of my way to dress and look like a freak, I do actually try to be a normal human being you know
Quote from: ಠ_ಠ on March 13, 2018, 10:33:05 AMQuote from: Loaf on March 13, 2018, 09:41:42 AMQuote from: ಠ_ಠ on March 13, 2018, 01:59:31 AMshave the fucking hair off your chest and legs at least christSorry, I don't conform to your gender norms shoot yourself in the face pleaseNigga whatWeren't you a girl before? I don't think you're in a position to hate on Loaf for wearing a dress
Quote from: Loaf on March 13, 2018, 09:41:42 AMQuote from: ಠ_ಠ on March 13, 2018, 01:59:31 AMshave the fucking hair off your chest and legs at least christSorry, I don't conform to your gender norms shoot yourself in the face please
Quote from: ಠ_ಠ on March 13, 2018, 01:59:31 AMshave the fucking hair off your chest and legs at least christSorry, I don't conform to your gender norms
shave the fucking hair off your chest and legs at least christ
The way I see it, you want to be male, so you changed your gender. Loaf wants to be female, so he took the aspects he likes about females and made it his own thing. Basically you changed because you want to fit a role, and he just put on a dress while still acknowledging that he's a male.You changed because you were uncomfortable, he didn't because he's comfortable.
Quote from: SecondClass on March 13, 2018, 02:10:54 PMnot how it works lmaoyou either "want" to be masculine or feminine, and gender dysphoria is when you're messed up and want the opposite of what you were born asthe want is the gender, the body itself is the sexYou can be a feminine man, or a masculine woman.
not how it works lmaoyou either "want" to be masculine or feminine, and gender dysphoria is when you're messed up and want the opposite of what you were born asthe want is the gender, the body itself is the sex
Quote from: Desty on March 13, 2018, 02:12:19 PMQuote from: SecondClass on March 13, 2018, 02:10:54 PMnot how it works lmaoyou either "want" to be masculine or feminine, and gender dysphoria is when you're messed up and want the opposite of what you were born asthe want is the gender, the body itself is the sexYou can be a feminine man, or a masculine woman.this is true, but it's also not the same thing as having a brain wired male in a female body and vise versait's effectively a neurological intersex condition, and not a fun one to have at thatthe latter is just fucking with gender norms for the sake of fucking with gender norms or cross dressing because it gives you a boner
Alright, fine, whatever, just explain me this one thing. How's a male brain different than a female one?
What's so male about your brain that you think you were born in the wrong body? Is it aggressiveness, the urge to fuck things with a penis, violence- what?
Quote from: ಠ_ಠ on March 13, 2018, 02:34:43 PMQuote from: Desty on March 13, 2018, 02:12:19 PMQuote from: SecondClass on March 13, 2018, 02:10:54 PMnot how it works lmaoyou either "want" to be masculine or feminine, and gender dysphoria is when you're messed up and want the opposite of what you were born asthe want is the gender, the body itself is the sexYou can be a feminine man, or a masculine woman.this is true, but it's also not the same thing as having a brain wired male in a female body and vise versait's effectively a neurological intersex condition, and not a fun one to have at thatthe latter is just fucking with gender norms for the sake of fucking with gender norms or cross dressing because it gives you a bonerAlright, fine, whatever, just explain me this one thing. How's a male brain different than a female one? What's so male about your brain that you think you were born in the wrong body? Is it aggressiveness, the urge to fuck things with a penis, violence- what?
gender is binary IMO, there's 1 and 2 and a spectrum between
It's not that simple really. I grew up being a pretty rough and tumble tomboy and I was relatively happy until I hit puberty and everything flipped on its head. I didn't understand why at the time but the hormonal spike during puberty made me distressed to the point where I turned suicidal because my body became alien and foreign, and all the changes that were happening felt wrong. As time went on it got worse and the depression got severe enough that I sought help, and I was diagnosed with Gender Identity Disorder as it used to be called.Hormone replacement therapy straightened me out.
Quote from: ಠ_ಠ on March 13, 2018, 02:51:01 PMIt's not that simple really. I grew up being a pretty rough and tumble tomboy and I was relatively happy until I hit puberty and everything flipped on its head. I didn't understand why at the time but the hormonal spike during puberty made me distressed to the point where I turned suicidal because my body became alien and foreign, and all the changes that were happening felt wrong. As time went on it got worse and the depression got severe enough that I sought help, and I was diagnosed with Gender Identity Disorder as it used to be called.Hormone replacement therapy straightened me out.What made you attribute this to gender
Quote from: Desty on March 13, 2018, 02:41:27 PMAlright, fine, whatever, just explain me this one thing. How's a male brain different than a female one? Sexual metamorphism and hormones.QuoteWhat's so male about your brain that you think you were born in the wrong body? Is it aggressiveness, the urge to fuck things with a penis, violence- what?It's not that simple really. I grew up being a pretty rough and tumble tomboy and I was relatively happy until I hit puberty and everything flipped on its head. I didn't understand why at the time but the hormonal spike during puberty made me distressed to the point where I turned suicidal because my body became alien and foreign, and all the changes that were happening felt wrong. As time went on it got worse and the depression got severe enough that I sought help, and I was diagnosed with Gender Identity Disorder as it used to be called.Hormone replacement therapy straightened me out.
Quote from: Mardy Bum on March 13, 2018, 03:00:03 PMQuote from: ಠ_ಠ on March 13, 2018, 02:51:01 PMIt's not that simple really. I grew up being a pretty rough and tumble tomboy and I was relatively happy until I hit puberty and everything flipped on its head. I didn't understand why at the time but the hormonal spike during puberty made me distressed to the point where I turned suicidal because my body became alien and foreign, and all the changes that were happening felt wrong. As time went on it got worse and the depression got severe enough that I sought help, and I was diagnosed with Gender Identity Disorder as it used to be called.Hormone replacement therapy straightened me out.What made you attribute this to genderPeople don't realize how much hormones influence your brain. A slight fuck up in the balance of everything and things go haywire.
Quote from: ಠ_ಠ on March 13, 2018, 02:51:01 PMQuote from: Desty on March 13, 2018, 02:41:27 PMAlright, fine, whatever, just explain me this one thing. How's a male brain different than a female one? Sexual metamorphism and hormones.QuoteWhat's so male about your brain that you think you were born in the wrong body? Is it aggressiveness, the urge to fuck things with a penis, violence- what?It's not that simple really. I grew up being a pretty rough and tumble tomboy and I was relatively happy until I hit puberty and everything flipped on its head. I didn't understand why at the time but the hormonal spike during puberty made me distressed to the point where I turned suicidal because my body became alien and foreign, and all the changes that were happening felt wrong. As time went on it got worse and the depression got severe enough that I sought help, and I was diagnosed with Gender Identity Disorder as it used to be called.Hormone replacement therapy straightened me out.What happened to your body? My puberty was just me growing taller for the most part
Quote from: Mardy Bum on March 13, 2018, 03:00:03 PMQuote from: ಠ_ಠ on March 13, 2018, 02:51:01 PMIt's not that simple really. I grew up being a pretty rough and tumble tomboy and I was relatively happy until I hit puberty and everything flipped on its head. I didn't understand why at the time but the hormonal spike during puberty made me distressed to the point where I turned suicidal because my body became alien and foreign, and all the changes that were happening felt wrong. As time went on it got worse and the depression got severe enough that I sought help, and I was diagnosed with Gender Identity Disorder as it used to be called.Hormone replacement therapy straightened me out.What made you attribute this to genderKinda like Class said there's hundreds of little subtle things, I more or less summarized to simplify it as much as possible. On the surface I was already pretty stereotypical masculine though closeted about it, albeit poorly. A lot of it is stuff I really don't know how to explain other than "this is wrong, I don't know why everything feels wrong" and not being able to picture myself growing up to be a woman and wishing I could cease from existing completely because it was too much to handle on top of normal teenage angst. It was like I was constantly at odds with myself.Growing up with conservative parents I had buried a lot of it down and it took several years to learn to not be ashamed of myself for it. After tearing those walls down and just allowing myself to think about what I wanted and needed, I realized a lot of things, but mostly that I could actually imagine myself growing old and being happy if I had been born male instead. That if I had grown up that way my body wouldn't feel alien and I wouldn't feel like I was robbed of the childhood I should've had. Going on hormones reinforced that because for the first time in my life I started feeling normal. It sounds stereotypical but it was like the clouds parted and two tons was taken off my back. Also keep in mind that once I had started hormones I had already been kicked out and was on my way to losing everything I previously cared about and becoming homeless on top of all that. Despite that I managed to get through it, when I was previously a complete mess who would've never been able to gather the mental fortitude to get through it.People don't realize how much hormones influence your brain. A slight fuck up in the balance of everything and things go haywire.
Do you think preconceptions of male and female identity influenced your choice to transition?
Still don’t understand why gender is broken up into mental and physical aspectsIt’s kind of a sexist idea in my opinion
Quote from: Mardy Bum on March 13, 2018, 03:47:09 PMStill don’t understand why gender is broken up into mental and physical aspectsIt’s kind of a sexist idea in my opinionThere is nothing inherently wrong with being a feminine man or a masculine woman, but they are still male and female. There's more to it than just stereotypical gender roles and that's one of the key things that always goes over people's heads.Biology doesn't care about sexism.
I'm not convinced. I see you changing your gender as me changing mine so that I don't have to deal with all the responsibilities of being a male.
Quote from: Mardy Bum on March 13, 2018, 03:47:09 PMStill don’t understand why gender is broken up into mental and physical aspectsIt’s kind of a sexist idea in my opinionnature is known to be vicious and cruel for the sake of results, of course there's sexism there tooas humans we should try to eliminate discrimination based on traits you don't choose as much as possible. But that doesn't mean men and women are the sameequal =/= identical
not that you'll actually read any of these buthttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3877116/https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs10508-016-0850-zhttps://www.newscientist.com/article/mg23230954-600-transgender-people-have-different-brain-activity-when-touched/https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3402034/http://stray-ideas.blogspot.com/2008/03/phantom-penis.htmlhttps://www.nature.com/articles/378068a0https://www.functionalneurology.com/index.php?PAGE=articolo_dett&id_article=3373&ID_ISSUE=389
Personally I think
Quote from: Mardy Bum on March 13, 2018, 04:10:49 PMPersonally I thinkwhat you think doesn't matter when you're ignoring that there's more to it than gender stereotypes
Quote from: ಠ_ಠ on March 13, 2018, 04:15:27 PMQuote from: Mardy Bum on March 13, 2018, 04:10:49 PMPersonally I thinkwhat you think doesn't matter when you're ignoring that there's more to it than gender stereotypesLike what besides “hundreds of little subtle things”
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